Confederate Battle Flag

[Napoleon Ier]

I thought this could be an interesting poll to look at, and spark some intelligent debate. As well as some amusing red-faced convulsions and frothing at the mouth from snorri and co.'s magic circus. So, let's enjoy!

[jecko7]

"Yes, just because some nasty people have used it doesn't mean it can't be a symbol for fighting oppressive authority, under which heros like Robert E. Lee fought."

Can you say biased poll? Is this a serious thread or just your way of venting at "liberals"? Make a serious poll and then people will seriously discuss it with you

[Snorri1234]

OFCOURSE WE SHOULDN'T BAN IT!

Are you an idiot? Do you even read my posts? Did I ever claim the flag should be banned? Just as I don't think we can ban people from burning flags, I don't think we can stop people from waving their flags. You can do whatever you want, just as long as I can think you're a dick or idiot for waving it around. That's the great thing about this free world, everybody can have an opinion!


Also, your poll is all kinds of retarded. Why did you include "No" two times while being the complete opposite of eachother?

[Napoleon Ier]

OFCOURSE WE SHOULDN'T BAN IT!

Are you an idiot? Do you even read my posts? Did I ever claim the flag should be banned? Just as I don't think we can ban people from burning flags, I don't think we can stop people from waving their flags. You can do whatever you want, just as long as I can think you're a dick or idiot for waving it around. That's the great thing about this free world, everybody can have an opinion!


Also, your poll is all kinds of retarded. Why did you include "No" two times while being the complete opposite of eachother?

The "No" group falls into two broad categories, those who want it banned, and those who strongly dissapprove but don't want it banned. The Yes group falls only into those who believe it's fine to fly it.

[jecko7]

OFCOURSE WE SHOULDN'T BAN IT!

Are you an idiot? Do you even read my posts? Did I ever claim the flag should be banned? Just as I don't think we can ban people from burning flags, I don't think we can stop people from waving their flags. You can do whatever you want, just as long as I can think you're a dick or idiot for waving it around. That's the great thing about this free world, everybody can have an opinion!


Also, your poll is all kinds of retarded. Why did you include "No" two times while being the complete opposite of eachother?

The "No" group falls into two broad categories, those who want it banned, and those who strongly dissapprove but don't want it banned. The Yes group falls only into those who believe it's fine to fly it.

And those who believe in the heroism of Robert E. Lee and the liberating power of the Confederacy from the horrid oppression of overbearing authority. Seriously, make the poll more biased. I dare you.

[Napoleon Ier]

OFCOURSE WE SHOULDN'T BAN IT!

Are you an idiot? Do you even read my posts? Did I ever claim the flag should be banned? Just as I don't think we can ban people from burning flags, I don't think we can stop people from waving their flags. You can do whatever you want, just as long as I can think you're a dick or idiot for waving it around. That's the great thing about this free world, everybody can have an opinion!


Also, your poll is all kinds of retarded. Why did you include "No" two times while being the complete opposite of eachother?

The "No" group falls into two broad categories, those who want it banned, and those who strongly dissapprove but don't want it banned. The Yes group falls only into those who believe it's fine to fly it.

And those who believe in the heroism of Robert E. Lee and the liberating power of the Confederacy from the horrid oppression of overbearing authority. Seriously, make the poll more biased. I dare you.

How would you rather it read?

[jecko7]

Do you agree with the flying of the Confederate flag?

Yes
No

No legalistic issues here, just straight-up agree or disagree. I believe in your right to fly the flag, I also believe that if you choose to make use of that right you are un-patriotic and ignorant of American history and/or a moron. Because the question here is not if it is legal to fly the flag, but whether or not that is good or bad, e.g. does it make you a hypocrite to get in an uproar about Obama not putting his hand over his heart while at the same time supporting the Confederacy?

[Napoleon Ier]

Do you agree with the flying of the Confederate flag?

Yes
No

No legalistic issues here, just straight-up agree or disagree. I believe in your right to fly the flag, I also believe that if you choose to make use of that right you are un-patriotic and ignorant of American history and/or a moron. Because the question here is not if it is legal to fly the flag, but whether or not that is good or bad, e.g. does it make you a hypocrite to get in an uproar about Obama not putting his hand over his heart while at the same time supporting the Confederacy?

What are your opinions about the CS Navy Jack?

1. Ban it.

2. You shouldn't fly it but have a right to.

3. I think it's fine to fly it.

Does that work for you? I do want to dissociate those who want it banned from those who just dissapprove.

[heavycola]

who gives a toss?

[jecko7]

Sure, that works.

[jecko7]

who gives a toss?

People from the United States

I dunno what part of Britain you're from, but I'm venturing a guess that this would be kind of like flying the IRA flag in London (if they have one).

[heavycola]

who gives a toss?

People from the United States

I dunno what part of Britain you're from, but I'm venturing a guess that this would be kind of like flying the IRA flag in London (if they have one).

I meant, who gives a toss about nappy rash's attempts at trolling?

[Napoleon Ier]

Sure, that works.

Ok, PM sent in to wicked.

[Napoleon Ier]

who gives a toss?

People from the United States

I dunno what part of Britain you're from, but I'm venturing a guess that this would be kind of like flying the IRA flag in London (if they have one).

I meant, who gives a toss about nappy rash's attempts at trolling?

Trolling? I'm sorry, just because the issue of the CS battle flag is too far beyond your political correctness toleration quotient doesn't mean you get to call threads about it trolling, you deceiving, thieving sophist.

[Dancing Mustard]

Trolling? I'm sorry, just because the issue of the CS battle flag is too far beyond your political correctness toleration quotient doesn't mean you get to call threads about it trolling, you deceiving, thieving sophist.

Decieving, thieving sophist? I'm sorry, just because Heavycola's views frighten you and go far beyond your ability to see the future and your ability to not be stuck in the past, doesn't mean you get to call him names, you homosexual infant.

[jecko7]

who gives a toss?

People from the United States

I dunno what part of Britain you're from, but I'm venturing a guess that this would be kind of like flying the IRA flag in London (if they have one).

I meant, who gives a toss about nappy rash's attempts at trolling?

Trolling? I'm sorry, just because the issue of the CS battle flag is too far beyond your political correctness toleration quotient doesn't mean you get to call threads about it trolling, you deceiving, thieving sophist.

I think he's calling it trolling because you're not from the United States, and yet you're telling people to not worry about the Confederate flag, and you're giving all these different hidden meanings for it, yet you're not culturally or societally (not sure if I'm using that correctly) involved with it in any way.

The conclusion many people will draw from this is that you are making this thread to garner attention for yourself or stir up controversy, e.g. trolling.

BTW, I'm dying for a good metaphor, what part of Britain are you from? And what's the deal with the IRA these days?

[Napoleon Ier]

who gives a toss?

People from the United States

I dunno what part of Britain you're from, but I'm venturing a guess that this would be kind of like flying the IRA flag in London (if they have one).

I meant, who gives a toss about nappy rash's attempts at trolling?

Trolling? I'm sorry, just because the issue of the CS battle flag is too far beyond your political correctness toleration quotient doesn't mean you get to call threads about it trolling, you deceiving, thieving sophist.

I think he's calling it trolling because you're not from the United States, and yet you're telling people to not worry about the Confederate flag, and you're giving all these different hidden meanings for it, yet you're not culturally or societally (not sure if I'm using that correctly) involved with it in any way.

The conclusion many people will draw from this is that you are making this thread to garner attention for yourself or stir up controversy, e.g. trolling.

BTW, I'm dying for a good metaphor, what part of Britain are you from? And what's the deal with the IRA these days?

I certainly acknowledge that those people in the States have far more concern for this matter than I do, but at the same time, I think I do have a right to express opinions on the matter. I'm certainly not trying to garner attention for myself, to the contrary, I genuinely want to hear from Americans on the subject. That said, me and cola will probably have some fun exchanging insults along the way. y'know, liven things up...
I've lived for a few years on Oxford, in the south of England. I grew up in France though. I believe the IRA have disbanded, more or less, today.

In France, I can fly the secessionist Vendée rebel flag:

http://www.inthevendee.com/vendee-wars/Coeur-chouan.jpeg

Death the socialo-masonic republic!

Le Roy est mort! Vive le Roy!

[0ojakeo0]

Did someone make a thread like this once? And the confederatew was the south right?

[Napoleon Ier]

Trolling? I'm sorry, just because the issue of the CS battle flag is too far beyond your political correctness toleration quotient doesn't mean you get to call threads about it trolling, you deceiving, thieving sophist.

U iz teh gay n teh konservative.

Broadly what your arguments boil down to, right?

[muy_thaiguy]

Did someone make a thread like this once? And the confederatew was the south right?

Not sure about the first, but yes, the Confederacy was the South from 1860(maybe 61) to 1865.

And Nappy, the Confederate Flag, even the Confederacy and the Civil War themselves, came off from slavery. Now I'm not saying that either the North or South were in the right (the North, in it's ignorance, relied quite a bit on the slaves in the South), but the times of the Confederacy are over, and have been over for over 140 years. I do believe in States rights, but those do NOT include splitting off from the Union.

[Napoleon Ier]

Did someone make a thread like this once? And the confederatew was the south right?

Not sure about the first, but yes, the Confederacy was the South from 1860(maybe 61) to 1865.

And Nappy, the Confederate Flag, even the Confederacy and the Civil War themselves, came off from slavery. Now I'm not saying that either the North or South were in the right (the North, in it's ignorance, relied quite a bit on the slaves in the South), but the times of the Confederacy are over, and have been over for over 140 years. I do believe in States rights, but those do NOT include splitting off from the Union.

I'm not sure that's entirely fair to say. Slavery may have been an issue, but both Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee opposed slavery, in contrast to Grant and Sherman, who themselves recognised that the War wasn't over slavery. Remember the North imposed horrific economic burdens on the South, which almost caused S. Carolina to secede. I can see th Civil War being a tragic event for he American Nation, which was split schizophrenically between two sides both of which fought in the name of some noble causes. However, I don't see why displaying a flag which represents an entire way of life and of pride in heritage is wrong. I've heard of Southerners who fly both the CS Navy Jack and the current 50-starred US flag.

[muy_thaiguy]

Did someone make a thread like this once? And the confederatew was the south right?

Not sure about the first, but yes, the Confederacy was the South from 1860(maybe 61) to 1865.

And Nappy, the Confederate Flag, even the Confederacy and the Civil War themselves, came off from slavery. Now I'm not saying that either the North or South were in the right (the North, in it's ignorance, relied quite a bit on the slaves in the South), but the times of the Confederacy are over, and have been over for over 140 years. I do believe in States rights, but those do NOT include splitting off from the Union.

I'm not sure that's entirely fair to say. Slavery may have been an issue, but both Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee opposed slavery, in contrast to Grant and Sherman, who themselves recognised that the War wasn't over slavery. Remember the North imposed horrific economic burdens on the South, which almost caused S. Carolina to secede. I can see th Civil War being a tragic event for he American Nation, which was split schizophrenically between two sides both of which fought in the name of some noble causes. However, I don't see why displaying a flag which represents an entire way of life and of pride in heritage is wrong. I've heard of Southerners who fly both the CS Navy Jack and the current 50-starred US flag.

Actually, as said in another thread, the Civil War would never had happened if not for slavery. Also, Jackson and Lee both felt more loyalty to their states then to their nation, and thus committed an act of treason by following the rest of the South in seceding. And whether or not the Generals opposed it or not, the South seceded because Lincoln (a moderate Abolitionist (wanted to free slaves)) was elected, and also began the war itself. Like I said, the North and South were both at fault over the war, never said otherwise, but do you know about the Reconstruction Years? If not, I suggest you look it up, it is often called a continuation of the Civil War.

[hecter]

However, I don't see why displaying a flag which represents an entire way of life and of pride in heritage is wrong. I've heard of Southerners who fly both the CS Navy Jack and the current 50-starred US flag.

It's because part of that way of life was, in fact, slavery. That flag encompasses slavery, and that's a fact. You may say "Oh, but there was more to the war than that.", well ya, of course there was. But there was also more to WWII and the Nazi's than the death of millions of Jews. Either way, the swastika has become a sign of antisemitism and the the Confederate flag has become a sign of racism.

And of course you've heard of southerners who fly both flags, they're often people who are racist and proud to be American. The flag is no longer a sign of rebellion and revolution but, as I said, one of racism.

[Grooveman2007]

Banning the battle flag is unconstitutional. People have the right to express themselves, even if it their opinions are offensive to others.

[heavycola]

who gives a toss?

People from the United States

I dunno what part of Britain you're from, but I'm venturing a guess that this would be kind of like flying the IRA flag in London (if they have one).

I meant, who gives a toss about nappy rash's attempts at trolling?

Trolling? I'm sorry, just because the issue of the CS battle flag is too far beyond your political correctness toleration quotient doesn't mean you get to call threads about it trolling, you deceiving, thieving sophist.

This isn't an issue, nappy, it's another opportunity for you to puff your little pigeon chest out and sneer at anyone who calls you on this twattery. Trolling, in other words. I could almost hear you squealing with excitement like a 7-year old hopped up on tartrazine when you changed your avvy.

I thought this could be an interesting poll to look at, and spark some intelligent debate. As well as some amusing red-faced convulsions and frothing at the mouth from snorri and co.'s magic circus. So, let's enjoy!

See? Trolling. if this was a debate about freedom of expression - fine. But it's not: it's about goading people who do actually give a shit into responding so you can whap out your thesaurus again. Nothing wrong with trolling in my book, but when it's about stroking your inflamed ego, like i said: who gives a toss?


thieving sophist?? hahaha