Peanutbutter or jelly?

[DaGip]

The Buddhist swastika and the Nazi swastika are slightly different, though still similar.

The Nazi symbol is generally slanted and is the reverse of the Buddhist.

Here is a Hopi style of swastika, and another can be seen on Prophecy Rock near Old Oraibi:



The Hopi swastika is considered the path of the Creator, and when I see these images I do not associate them with racism. It is a peaceful symbol used by evil men.

I am not big on using any type of symbology (I used to wear the Seal of Solomon when I was younger). I believe doing so begins to lend itself towards idolatry. Even crosses and crucifixes I see as having idolatry linked to them, so I just stay clear (it's my own personal belief).

What makes people want to use symbols? I guess it gets a message across quickly of what belief system you are manifesting from. The Confederate flag transmits an image of rebellion, racism, and intolerance. You could very well say the Confederate Flag holds some of the same negative qualities that the Nazi Flag does (unless of course you are manifested to one of these ideologies?)

Anything even remotely Nazi-ish triggers us to think of the Swastika.




It is like a big stop sign, as was stated earlier, and why would you want to be associated with it is beyond me, because if those type of people ever decide to rebel, they would be defeated very, very quickly. Americans aren't going to put up with racism any longer. And not only that, but we kicked the shit out of them before, and we will do it again!

[dinobot]

Never rseen any case of racial discrimination? Good for you, you must live in some really crazy and awesome wonderland. For the rest of us, it's something that must be dealt with.

Are you implying that people from South Africa are losers? Or just jecko? If it's just jecko, why make any mention at all about his ethnicity?

No I have never witnessed racial discrimination first hand, I've only ever seen it on the news. And whenever I hear case of racial discrimination happening in a Western country, it's always really overblown and petty (Jena 6 for example, just a way for people to exploit something that isn't even happening).

I'm bringing up South Africa and Zimbabwe, because those are two extremely racist countries. The racism there is definitely not petty, and yet nothing gets done about it. Another case of retarded liberals only targeting white people when they lay the blame.

Why the f*ck would you care about a swastika, that it's just an image? Well, imagines often carry powerful meaning. A swastika is one of them. Remember, a picture of worth a thousand words. And a swastika is worth millions of words along with millions of names.

And what do you personally think when you see a swastika? When I see one, I don't think about killing Jews; I just instinctively think 'whoa', because our retarded culture demonizes pointless shit like it and I know it's going to cause a shit storm.

[muy_thaiguy]

Gip, that was before our states became states, so we can't really take the credit (or blame in some instances) for fighting in the Civil War. Instead, our states deal with a different, yet just as important part of history, and that is the move West.

[DaGip]

Gip, that was before our states became states, so we can't really take the credit (or blame in some instances) for fighting in the Civil War. Instead, our states deal with a different, yet just as important part of history, and that is the move West.

I was talking more about Nazis and NeoNazis than Rebel Rednecks (but a lot of skinheads like to sport the Confederate Flag and variations thereof).

[muy_thaiguy]

Gip, that was before our states became states, so we can't really take the credit (or blame in some instances) for fighting in the Civil War. Instead, our states deal with a different, yet just as important part of history, and that is the move West.

I was talking more about Nazis and NeoNazis than Rebel Rednecks (but a lot of skinheads like to sport the Confederate Flag and variations thereof).

I was reffering to when you were talking about the "rebels" and racism. Let's just be glad that our states were able to avoid the whole slave and free state thing, yes? (Look at Bloody Kansas for instance)

[jecko7]

No I have never witnessed racial discrimination first hand, I've only ever seen it on the news. And whenever I hear case of racial discrimination happening in a Western country, it's always really overblown and petty (Jena 6 for example, just a way for people to exploit something that isn't even happening).

Just because you've never witnessed racial discrimination firsthand doesn't mean you have to downplay it (or whatever your point is here, I can't really tell). And petty? Tell that to the kids involved in the Jena 6. Sure, relative to the Holocaust or Rwanda it's petty, but it's a very real threat that has impacts on a very individual level. The very fact that you've never witnessed racial discrimination, in my opinion, disqualifies you from being able to dismiss racism towards others.

I'm bringing up South Africa and Zimbabwe, because those are two extremely racist countries. The racism there is definitely not petty, and yet nothing gets done about it. Another case of retarded liberals only targeting white people when they lay the blame.

If you subscribe to the Elijah point of view, nothing should be done about it, because we have problems here at home. His problem with Obama is that Obama wants to get involved in Africa, if you're bitching about nothing being done in Zimbabwe, why do you have a problem with the ideas of Obama being brought up in this thread?

And what do you personally think when you see a swastika? When I see one, I don't think about killing Jews; I just instinctively think 'whoa', because our retarded culture demonizes pointless shit like it and I know it's going to cause a shit storm.

When I see a swastika, I think Nazis. When I think Nazis, I think killing Jews. It doesn't need to be "demonized" - it's a bad symbol (excluding all this Buddhist/ancient talk going on, I'm talking about the "traditional", Nazi swastika, which is what is being referenced when this whole swastika thing was first brought up).

[DaGip]

Gip, that was before our states became states, so we can't really take the credit (or blame in some instances) for fighting in the Civil War. Instead, our states deal with a different, yet just as important part of history, and that is the move West.

I was talking more about Nazis and NeoNazis than Rebel Rednecks (but a lot of skinheads like to sport the Confederate Flag and variations thereof).

I was reffering to when you were talking about the "rebels" and racism. Let's just be glad that our states were able to avoid the whole slave and free state thing, yes? (Look at Bloody Kansas for instance)

That was some real shit that went on back then, let's not let it happen again. Here is a good picture for you all, especially the Nazis among us:

[Frigidus]

personally, i think it is disgusting that IF and when Obama becomes the next president ( God i hope not) that he will never even swear in on the Holy Bible......isnt that what our friggen coutry was based and formed upon, isnt that what we have been dealing with for some time now. CHANGE IS GOOD BUT TOO MUCH CHANGE IS HARMFUL...what happens next??

What? I thought our country was founded on freedom of religion...I'd be offended if I had to swear in on the Bible, and I'm sure any non-Christian would...so should all Christians have to swear in on it anyways?

they dont have to even stay at the white house, they can take weeks off at a time...they can skip a state of the union address..ITS TRADITION PEOPLE...come on get with the program. To be somewhere and when the Pledge of Alligence is being said...again that is a pledge to our country... To not place a hand on the heart or even attempt to show respect!!!! CHANGE IS GOOD BUT TOO MUCH CHANGE IS HARMFUL!!

But...it's not required that you place your hand on your chest. I mean, the pledge itself is already a joke, so it's insane that he should take flak for that. He stood in respectful attention, that's more than enough.

Also here is an EXACT quote from the churce that obama is from...."A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA." ---so what happens when something that has to do with africa comes up and Obama says..."NO" we will not do that...and if he does is abolished from his church and ridiculed forever...not the man i want leading our country. he is just do gosh darn ARROGANT!!!!

Um...he won't do that. As was mentioned earlier do all Catholics follow the Pope's opinions as if they were the word of God? I'm sure at least one of them uses birth control for example. Do you follow, to the word, the exact tenets of your church. Heck, Obama doesn't really seem that religious to me (I'd thank God here but...well, you know).

So before you people walk into the polls in the upcoming primaries, and God i hope you do....THINK before you vote dont just vote obama because its the "cool" thing to do. i hate when people are ridiclued for being a hillary fan in a public place b/c they are a man.. Thas BS. dont vote Obama to be cool...VOTE on what YOU BELIEVE not what the media displays to you.

I refuse to vote in primaries because I don't affiliate myself with a party, and it's my opinion that voting in a parties primary if you aren't 100% confident you're voting for that party is the equivalent of a loophole allowing you to cheat the political system. Look at all the Republican's voting for Hillary in Texas...it's complete garbage.

That anecdote aside, I might not vote Obama. If I did it certainly wouldn't be because he's cool. That said your attacks on him are unfounded.

And just so you know, here is a recent stat from the exit polls in the past primaries.... in many states Obama has captured 93% or more in many places of african american votes....9% of which have gone to college. Also very recently Obama has been swinging the white vote to his side...Out of those two groups, when asked....Obama's stance on Health care??....12% answered correctly......when asked Obamas stance on Border control?? 14% answered correctly...WHEN ASKED WHAT RELIGION HE WAS?? 4% answered correctly. When asked where he was from?? 49% answered correctly..THOSE NUMBERS ARE ALAMRING..that tells me people are voting for him and they dont even know what he is about....and im not saying hillary voters arent as unintelligent...all im saying is that this election(the democration nomination process) at least is becoming a POPULARITY CONTEST....AND A HISTORY MAKING CONTEST its all about the first this person and that person....one last time guys....before hitting the polls THINK AND RESEARCH FACTS ABOUT NOMINEES BEFORE GOING IN AND DOING WHAT YOUR FRIENDS THINK IS "in"...Thanks guys(for those who read this)

Fair enough, but keep in mind that women are generally voting for Hillary. Elections are naturally popularity contests. Consider the average American: completely up to date on the latest celebrity gossip, yet no clue on what is occurring nationally or internationally. Not the sort of person that should have any say in what the government does or who's in it. It's pretty depressing.

[Elijah S]

All bullshit aside, I started this thread to stir things up on a Saturday morning, and I can say it did!

Just a couple things I'd like to clarify though:
1) I'm proud of my European Heritage, just as I am of my Cherokee blood. If you're offended by a white man being proud, deal with it. -Turn your 50 Cent up a little higher when you pull to a stop beside a white family with young children. -It's expected and quite typical.

2) Being proud doesn't make one a racist, but when a white person shows it to any degree it's assumed he's either KKK or a member of the Aryan Nation.
The days of slavery are long gone, thank God, and when a black man can successfully run for the Democratic nomination I think it's great!
I initially intended to vote for Obama, but after visiting http://www.TUCC.org, had an immediate change of opinion.
The church is seperatist and declares a loyalty to "The Black Community and Africa." -The last time I checked, Obama is running for the office of President of The United States and he should be held to the same standards and scrutiny that we hold all others to.
The fact that Rev. Jeremy Wright, the minister of the TUCC is associated with Louis Farakhan, of Black Muslim fame, is also worth mentioning. And hey, I'm not making this shit up.

3) If my avatar offends you, too bad. It's a symbol of Southern Heritage and The American Civil War and I placed it in my profile when I was pushing my map through the Foundry.
Before today, no one had ever complained about it...
But! If I'd known it would piss people off so much I'd probably have put it in my profile sooner!

To sum it up... I posed a question about a public figure who seeks to be President of the U.S. and, as intended, it ruffled a few panties!

Hillary's trying to avoid a confrontation regarding Obama's associations but, if he wins the nomination, the Republicans will ask Obama, and rightfully so, where his true loyalties lie and why he attends a Seperatist Church.

Re: DaGip - Nice picture. Love the hat.
Hitler was cruel and a complete egomaniac. God forbid the world should ever see another figure like him.

Lokisgal - The Cherokee sided with the Confederacy because the United States had a slight problem honoring it's treatings with Native American tribes.
In fact, the last General of the Civil War to surrender was Stand Watie, a full-blood Cherokee who was transplanted to The Indian Territory during The Trail of Tears. -A great peace of reading, Cherokee Sunset, I forget the author.

[bellaraphon]

"commitement to Africa" could mean reducing poverty and war in struggling countries in Africa, I don't know how you can think that is racsist.

[bellaraphon]

one more thing, if the American president should only commit to America what the hell are you doing in Iraq and Afganistan.

[lokisgal]

better check your facts guys

Obama is not a muslim - geeez doesnt anyone read the newspaper anymore or do we just feed off of distortions put on utube meant to rile up morons

[Suzy1]

My My Elijah, what a can of worms you have opened up here! It seems some have crawled into some people's pants and bit them on the butt. I didn't realize that a white person couldn't have an opinion and by all means wave whatever flag they choose to in this America (Our Free Country). For anyone to say that all that flag represents is hatred shows pure ignorance. Foreigners come from other countries here and wave their country's flag. Our very own American flag can be burned right here on our own soil and there is not a thing anyone can do about it, yet you are told to put your Rebel flag away? You used it for your map, which on your map, you have both flags. Amazingly no one said anything about it until now when all you question is "Is Obama a racist?" Well, sadly enough, I think he is. I am a Democrat and was going to vote for him, until I was enlightened that he belongs to a church that doesn't allow any other nationality inside. They actually preach racism inside of that same church. There are several things that changed my mind. One being, that he has literally accomplished nothing, he only proposes what he "will" do should he become president. Another, he is of Muslim faith. When he said he will not place his hand over his heart when the pledge of allegiance is being said kinda threw me a hint. I think in this situation, the only thing can be done is vote for the lesser of 2 evils. I just don't see why you are being attacked when all you did was have an opinion that differs from others. If anyone disagrees, they should say they do, and if they want to, say why. It is wrong for them to tell you are wrong for what you believe in.

[DaGip]

My My Elijah, what a can of worms you have opened up here! It seems some have crawled into some people's pants and bit them on the butt. I didn't realize that a white person couldn't have an opinion and by all means wave whatever flag they choose to in this America (Our Free Country). For anyone to say that all that flag represents is hatred shows pure ignorance. Foreigners come from other countries here and wave their country's flag. Our very own American flag can be burned right here on our own soil and there is not a thing anyone can do about it, yet you are told to put your Rebel flag away? You used it for your map, which on your map, you have both flags. Amazingly no one said anything about it until now when all you question is "Is Obama a racist?" Well, sadly enough, I think he is. I am a Democrat and was going to vote for him, until I was enlightened that he belongs to a church that doesn't allow any other nationality inside. They actually preach racism inside of that same church. There are several things that changed my mind. One being, that he has literally accomplished nothing, he only proposes what he "will" do should he become president. Another, he is of Muslim faith. When he said he will not place his hand over his heart when the pledge of allegiance is being said kinda threw me a hint. I think in this situation, the only thing can be done is vote for the lesser of 2 evils. I just don't see why you are being attacked when all you did was have an opinion that differs from others. If anyone disagrees, they should say they do, and if they want to, say why. It is wrong for them to tell you are wrong for what you believe in.

Hello? Anybody there?

Obama is NOT a Muslim!
Obama places his hand over his heart during the pledge of Allegiance!
Obama is not going to place his hand on the Quran when he is sworn into office!

This is all propaganda by racist biggotted people, these e-mails have been floating around for some time now, I know, my Aunt forwarded me one about a year or so ago!

And the Confederate flag can suck my cock!

Unfortunately, the presidential election is coming up, and you are going to hear more and more racist biggotted crap!

[SolidLuigi]

No.

*edit* this was an answer to the question in the title of the thread, not the poll

[Elijah S]

My My Elijah, what a can of worms you have opened up here! It seems some have crawled into some people's pants and bit them on the butt. I didn't realize that a white person couldn't have an opinion and by all means wave whatever flag they choose to in this America (Our Free Country). For anyone to say that all that flag represents is hatred shows pure ignorance. Foreigners come from other countries here and wave their country's flag. Our very own American flag can be burned right here on our own soil and there is not a thing anyone can do about it, yet you are told to put your Rebel flag away? You used it for your map, which on your map, you have both flags. Amazingly no one said anything about it until now when all you question is "Is Obama a racist?" Well, sadly enough, I think he is. I am a Democrat and was going to vote for him, until I was enlightened that he belongs to a church that doesn't allow any other nationality inside. They actually preach racism inside of that same church. There are several things that changed my mind. One being, that he has literally accomplished nothing, he only proposes what he "will" do should he become president. Another, he is of Muslim faith. When he said he will not place his hand over his heart when the pledge of allegiance is being said kinda threw me a hint. I think in this situation, the only thing can be done is vote for the lesser of 2 evils. I just don't see why you are being attacked when all you did was have an opinion that differs from others. If anyone disagrees, they should say they do, and if they want to, say why. It is wrong for them to tell you are wrong for what you believe in.

Hello? Anybody there?

Obama is NOT a Muslim!
Obama places his hand over his heart during the pledge of Allegiance!
Obama is not going to place his hand on the Quran when he is sworn into office!

This is all propaganda by racist biggotted people, these e-mails have been floating around for some time now, I know, my Aunt forwarded me one about a year or so ago!

And the Confederate flag can suck my cock!

Unfortunately, the presidential election is coming up, and you are going to hear more and more racist biggotted crap!

DaGip - you are, by definition, biggoted!
You display the very nature of bias in your response, which is both narrow-minded and ignorant, IMHO.
You've said nothing about Obama's association with http://www.TUCC.org but demeaned someone else for their opinion, which they're, to my best recollection, entitled to.

Obama needs to be held to the same scrutiny we hold all public figures to. His church is loyal to Africa and his Reverend is associated with Louis Farakhan.
You seem to make a lot of statements which are pretty unsupported, when all anyone has to do is go to his church's webpage to see it all spelled out. But hey, whatever it takes to appear as though you are 'da man'.
Regarding the Confederate Flag - exactly how does a flag "suck cock"?
Do some research before you spout out crap in the Forums.
By the way, the Gipper also sufferered from delusions in his later years but is still, in my opinion, the greatest President of modern times... maybe there's still hope that one day you will actually pull your head out of your ass and think for yourself!
Still got a hard-on for the Confederate Flag? Go FY.

[DaGip]

My My Elijah, what a can of worms you have opened up here! It seems some have crawled into some people's pants and bit them on the butt. I didn't realize that a white person couldn't have an opinion and by all means wave whatever flag they choose to in this America (Our Free Country). For anyone to say that all that flag represents is hatred shows pure ignorance. Foreigners come from other countries here and wave their country's flag. Our very own American flag can be burned right here on our own soil and there is not a thing anyone can do about it, yet you are told to put your Rebel flag away? You used it for your map, which on your map, you have both flags. Amazingly no one said anything about it until now when all you question is "Is Obama a racist?" Well, sadly enough, I think he is. I am a Democrat and was going to vote for him, until I was enlightened that he belongs to a church that doesn't allow any other nationality inside. They actually preach racism inside of that same church. There are several things that changed my mind. One being, that he has literally accomplished nothing, he only proposes what he "will" do should he become president. Another, he is of Muslim faith. When he said he will not place his hand over his heart when the pledge of allegiance is being said kinda threw me a hint. I think in this situation, the only thing can be done is vote for the lesser of 2 evils. I just don't see why you are being attacked when all you did was have an opinion that differs from others. If anyone disagrees, they should say they do, and if they want to, say why. It is wrong for them to tell you are wrong for what you believe in.

Hello? Anybody there?

Obama is NOT a Muslim!
Obama places his hand over his heart during the pledge of Allegiance!
Obama is not going to place his hand on the Quran when he is sworn into office!

This is all propaganda by racist biggotted people, these e-mails have been floating around for some time now, I know, my Aunt forwarded me one about a year or so ago!

And the Confederate flag can suck my cock!

Unfortunately, the presidential election is coming up, and you are going to hear more and more racist biggotted crap!

DaGip - you are, by definition, biggoted!
You display the very nature of bias in your response, which is both narrow-minded and ignorant, IMHO.
You've said nothing about Obama's association with http://www.TUCC.org but demeaned someone else for their opinion, which they're, to my best recollection, entitled to.

Obama needs to be held to the same scrutiny we hold all public figures to. His church is loyal to Africa and his Reverend is associated with Louis Farakhan.
You seem to make a lot of statements which are pretty unsupported, when all anyone has to do is go to his church's webpage to see it all spelled out. But hey, whatever it takes to appear as though you are 'da man'.
Regarding the Confederate Flag - exactly how does a flag "suck cock"?
Do some research before you spout out crap in the Forums.
By the way, the Gipper also sufferered from delusions in his later years but is still, in my opinion, the greatest President of modern times... maybe there's still hope that one day you will actually pull your head out of your ass and think for yourself!
Still got a hard-on for the Confederate Flag? Go FY.

Dude, I don't give a shit about some black church. Nobody seemed to give a shit that Bush was a Methodist. The part that irks me is that people are claiming that Obama is a Muslim when that is simply not the case. So you can G FY. Also, people are saying he refuses to place his hand over his heart during the pledge of Allegiance, that is not true.

Why don't you quit trying to spread this biggotted bull. Obama loves America more than you do (seeing the flag you a sporting).

[heavycola]

My My Elijah, what a can of worms you have opened up here! It seems some have crawled into some people's pants and bit them on the butt. I didn't realize that a white person couldn't have an opinion and by all means wave whatever flag they choose to in this America (Our Free Country). For anyone to say that all that flag represents is hatred shows pure ignorance. Foreigners come from other countries here and wave their country's flag. Our very own American flag can be burned right here on our own soil and there is not a thing anyone can do about it, yet you are told to put your Rebel flag away? You used it for your map, which on your map, you have both flags. Amazingly no one said anything about it until now when all you question is "Is Obama a racist?" Well, sadly enough, I think he is. I am a Democrat and was going to vote for him, until I was enlightened that he belongs to a church that doesn't allow any other nationality inside. They actually preach racism inside of that same church. There are several things that changed my mind. One being, that he has literally accomplished nothing, he only proposes what he "will" do should he become president. Another, he is of Muslim faith. When he said he will not place his hand over his heart when the pledge of allegiance is being said kinda threw me a hint. I think in this situation, the only thing can be done is vote for the lesser of 2 evils. I just don't see why you are being attacked when all you did was have an opinion that differs from others. If anyone disagrees, they should say they do, and if they want to, say why. It is wrong for them to tell you are wrong for what you believe in.

This thread's moron quotient is running at dangerously high levels

[Skittles!]

My My Elijah, what a can of worms you have opened up here! It seems some have crawled into some people's pants and bit them on the butt. I didn't realize that a white person couldn't have an opinion and by all means wave whatever flag they choose to in this America (Our Free Country). For anyone to say that all that flag represents is hatred shows pure ignorance. Foreigners come from other countries here and wave their country's flag. Our very own American flag can be burned right here on our own soil and there is not a thing anyone can do about it, yet you are told to put your Rebel flag away? You used it for your map, which on your map, you have both flags. Amazingly no one said anything about it until now when all you question is "Is Obama a racist?" Well, sadly enough, I think he is. I am a Democrat and was going to vote for him, until I was enlightened that he belongs to a church that doesn't allow any other nationality inside. They actually preach racism inside of that same church. There are several things that changed my mind. One being, that he has literally accomplished nothing, he only proposes what he "will" do should he become president. Another, he is of Muslim faith. When he said he will not place his hand over his heart when the pledge of allegiance is being said kinda threw me a hint. I think in this situation, the only thing can be done is vote for the lesser of 2 evils. I just don't see why you are being attacked when all you did was have an opinion that differs from others. If anyone disagrees, they should say they do, and if they want to, say why. It is wrong for them to tell you are wrong for what you believe in.

Please don't post again. Just please.

[Guiscard]

So hang on... Is he a Christian belonging to a black church or is he a Muslim? You cannot have it both ways...

[jecko7]

So hang on... Is he a Christian belonging to a black church or is he a Muslim? You cannot have it both ways...

He belongs to a black Christian church. This bullshit about him being a Muslim is just a smear campaign trick being spread by Elijah/Neo-Confederates. Why? I don't know. It has absolutely no basis in reality.

[comic boy]

My My Elijah, what a can of worms you have opened up here! It seems some have crawled into some people's pants and bit them on the butt. I didn't realize that a white person couldn't have an opinion and by all means wave whatever flag they choose to in this America (Our Free Country). For anyone to say that all that flag represents is hatred shows pure ignorance. Foreigners come from other countries here and wave their country's flag. Our very own American flag can be burned right here on our own soil and there is not a thing anyone can do about it, yet you are told to put your Rebel flag away? You used it for your map, which on your map, you have both flags. Amazingly no one said anything about it until now when all you question is "Is Obama a racist?" Well, sadly enough, I think he is. I am a Democrat and was going to vote for him, until I was enlightened that he belongs to a church that doesn't allow any other nationality inside. They actually preach racism inside of that same church. There are several things that changed my mind. One being, that he has literally accomplished nothing, he only proposes what he "will" do should he become president. Another, he is of Muslim faith. When he said he will not place his hand over his heart when the pledge of allegiance is being said kinda threw me a hint. I think in this situation, the only thing can be done is vote for the lesser of 2 evils. I just don't see why you are being attacked when all you did was have an opinion that differs from others. If anyone disagrees, they should say they do, and if they want to, say why. It is wrong for them to tell you are wrong for what you believe in.

So are you the wife of the OP or just his cousin...Oh wait

[khazalid]

i found this funny..

"Can a candidate who professes loyalty to Africa lead the United States in a manner which is fair to ALL Americans?"

the fairest thing for all americans is drought, famine and genocide. this is not even contentious! typically moronic self-serving patriotic drivle. you can burn, the lot of you. we will come second.

[Dekloren]

Anybody who believes there is an invisible man in the sky is a lunatic.
Anybody who believes there is a devil with a pitchfork somewhere in the middle of the Earth is a lunatic.

[DaGip]

Anybody who believes there is an invisible man in the sky is a lunatic.
Anybody who believes there is a devil with a pitchfork somewhere in the middle of the Earth is a lunatic.

Dude! You ruined the secret! Now you ain't get any presents for Christmas!