why shud we apologize for slavery, i don't understand?

[Napoleon Ier]

I think the greater issue is: Why is it unacceptable in the United States for whites to show ANY degree of pride in our heritage?
Why are their NO associations that cater to assisting only whites?
Why are there NO exclusively WHITE TV networks, magazines, etc?

The answer? -We've been beat into feeling as though we should feel "guilty" about being white because a very small % of land-owners 200 years ago imported slaves who were sold to them by other blacks in Africa.

The other reason is our "government" caters to minorities.
Example- In Louisiana ALL of the residents of New Orleans Lower 9th ward (which was entirely minorities) received money after Hurricane Katrina. (A large % of them didn't even have jobs, were involved in gangs, drugs, violence, etc...) BUT the people who were hit directly by the hurricane, rural areas which were predominantly white, have STILL not been awarded anything to cover their losses, and are now being blown off by FEMA (Road Home).

Trust me, racism is alive and well in minority communities in this country.

I'll apologize for slavery as soon as I see the creation of the NAAWP.

Racism is categorically NOT present in modern American conservativism, is it Luns.

This is exactly the attitude I believe Meggy was referring to.

Oh? Care to point out exactly where the pretended racism is in this message? I mean actual racist comments, suggesting that the white race is superior to the black race, not what you may psychoanalytically come to the warped conclusion could be potentially viewed as slightly offensive to some minority groups and hence be offensive.

Elijah : love the avatar .

[Elijah S]

I'm sure that I'll get a lot of flack for standing up and stating what I see as discrimination AGAINST whites in America. -So be it.
But here're some things to ponder...
A black, hispanic, Filipino, (etc.) can belong to any number of organizations which further the causes and agendas of their race. (And are based SOLELY on their membership being exclusively composed of that race.)
A minority can put his fist in the air and proclaim his pride. -(Listen to a few versus of gangster rap and you'll see it's much more extreme than that!)
BUT... If a man of European Heritage places his fist in the air and expresses any degree of pride in his bloodline he's immediately labelled a bigot and racist.
Equality mean equal - NOT deserving or entitled to anything more or less than what others receive.

(edit - The flag in my avatar, while some see it as offensive, has been there since my map, The American Civil War, went into play and is there as a way of promoting my map, which I'm very proud to have amoung the others in CC.)

[Napoleon Ier]

BUT... If a man of European Heritage places his fist in the air and expresses any degree of pride in his bloodline he's immediately labelled a bigot and racist.

I think the greater issue is: Why is it unacceptable in the United States for whites to show ANY degree of pride in our heritage?
Why are their NO associations that cater to assisting only whites?
Why are there NO exclusively WHITE TV networks, magazines, etc?

The answer? -We've been beat into feeling as though we should feel "guilty" about being white because a very small % of land-owners 200 years ago imported slaves who were sold to them by other blacks in Africa.

The other reason is our "government" caters to minorities.
Example- In Louisiana ALL of the residents of New Orleans Lower 9th ward (which was entirely minorities) received money after Hurricane Katrina. (A large % of them didn't even have jobs, were involved in gangs, drugs, violence, etc...) BUT the people who were hit directly by the hurricane, rural areas which were predominantly white, have STILL not been awarded anything to cover their losses, and are now being blown off by FEMA (Road Home).

Trust me, racism is alive and well in minority communities in this country.

I'll apologize for slavery as soon as I see the creation of the NAAWP.

Racism is categorically NOT present in modern American conservativism, is it Luns.

This is exactly the attitude I believe Meggy was referring to.

Case in point.

[brooksieb]

I'm sure that I'll get a lot of flack for standing up and stating what I see as discrimination AGAINST whites in America. -So be it.
But here're some things to ponder...
A black, hispanic, Filipino, (etc.) can belong to any number of organizations which further the causes and agendas of their race. (And are based SOLELY on their membership being exclusively composed of that race.)
A minority can put his fist in the air and proclaim his pride. -(Listen to a few versus of gangster rap and you'll see it's much more extreme than that!)
BUT... If a man of European Heritage places his fist in the air and expresses any degree of pride in his bloodline he's immediately labelled a bigot and racist.
Equality mean equal - NOT deserving or entitled to anything more or less than what others receive.

(edit - The flag in my avatar, while some see it as offensive, has been there since my map, The American Civil War, went into play and is there as a way of promoting my map, which I'm very proud to have amoung the others in CC.)

yer theres no white organisations its unfair and racist, something we shud be trying to stop, i think black people and white people shud look towards people like martin luther king and not people like N. Mandela, malcom x and all these shitty rappers like 50 cent, kanye west is ok though

[JACKAZZTJM]

A race should apologise for the actions of similar skined people before their time when every other race apologises for the actions commited in the past. Also, if we want to go on about apologising about past oppression, when are men going to apologise for the mistreatment of women since the dawn of the human race? Now that is something pratically all races have in common.

i understand what ur sayin but enoughs enough u dont have to apoligize forever

[muy_thaiguy]

Well, for one, there already is a NAAWP (did a project in Psychology a few years back on racism, and my group was assigned that), and I certainly see where you are coming from, however, these things only serve to be a royal pain in the ass for a lot of people, rather then helping. I agree with Brooksieb on this one, we should remember the individuals and what they stood for, rather then making organizations that only further to divide us as a people. I don't condone the NAACP, nor the NAAWP, nor anything else like that. All they do is further causes for people because of their skin color and such. That is ludicris. Get rid of ALL of them because they are only dividing us that much more into groups of people.

[brooksieb]

also not just for white people and black people also for other people as well

[unriggable]

You can't have organizations that rally the majority, its politically incorrect. Even today white males are the dominant moneymakers. So any group of women, blacks, hispanics, whoever who is being treated unfairly in society compared to the status quo (white males), these groups have every right to band together to support each other. If white males did these, it wouldn't be a support group, it would be the Aryan Brotherhood.

[JACKAZZTJM]

i bet if obama is elected reparation plans will be put in motion which means money out of our pockets for something we didnt do and something that didnt happen to todays black population

[brooksieb]

You can't have organizations that rally the majority, its politically incorrect. Even today white males are the dominant moneymakers. So any group of women, blacks, hispanics, whoever who is being treated unfairly in society compared to the status quo (white males), these groups have every right to band together to support each other. If white males did these, it wouldn't be a support group, it would be the Aryan Brotherhood.

how do you know? are you white? are you jealous? are you a commie by anychance???!!!

[Gregrios]

Personally I think Elijah brings up some good points. Key word "some".

Whether you want to admit it or not, there is racism out there against whites. But to sit there and have the nerve to compare it to what blacks went through in the past is naive. Sure whites might have a little more pressure on them to be careful what they say but that doesn't give us the right to complain about it. I mean, what do you expect after decades and decades of slavery? Of course this certain type of racism is going to happen. It's the natural consiquence of our ancestors actions.

[Snorri1234]

Personally I think Elijah brings up some good points. Key word "some".

Whether you want to admit it or not, there is racism out there against whites. But to sit there and have the nerve to compare it to what blacks went through in the past is naive. Sure whites might have a little more pressure on them to be careful what they say but that doesn't give us the right to complain about it. I mean, what do you expect after decades and decades of slavery? Of course this certain type of racism is going to happen. It's the natural consiquence of our ancestors actions.

Since when did you start making sense?

[Gregrios]

Personally I think Elijah brings up some good points. Key word "some".

Whether you want to admit it or not, there is racism out there against whites. But to sit there and have the nerve to compare it to what blacks went through in the past is naive. Sure whites might have a little more pressure on them to be careful what they say but that doesn't give us the right to complain about it. I mean, what do you expect after decades and decades of slavery? Of course this certain type of racism is going to happen. It's the natural consiquence of our ancestors actions.

Since when did you start making sense?

I've been off the weed for a while. I guess that's the difference.

[suggs]

"Stop apologising, for the things you've never done" (Weller)

[brooksieb]

"Stop apologising, for the things you've never done" (Weller)

lol i want norse here, teach a lesson in right wing antics

[gethine]

why should we be apologising to black people for slavery i don't understand?, the tribal chief leaders of africa actually sold their own people to us to use and if they wernt so greedy africa maybe wudnt of been in the state it is now, also my family would of been to poor to have had a hand in slavery or anything to do with it. and why shud white people get all the blame? what about the arabs who also done things like that, and if another race had the power to do all that stuff we did they wud of done it regardless of if they were black, white, asian, or whatever they wud of done it.

REMEMBER THIS IS ABOUT SLAVERY IN THE 17TH, 18TH AND 19TH CENTURY

also i think we should apologise for recent events like apartheid in the west and mainly south africa and the aboriginies where the current generation is still alive but only that generation shud apologise not any other generation but then saying that not all people in that generation did stuff like apartheid, its a confusing issue but to slavery i say why shud we apologise???

you should apologise personally brooksie, as it was all your fault.
i saw you. you did it.
now you should put your hands up, say something along the lines of "it's a fair cop guv" and then apologise profusely.

and i don't want any of those "it all happened centuries before i was born" and " i have never owned another single human" excuses, i've heard them all before sonny jim.

you started this thread, therefore you must be feeling guilty about something.

QED you were the man on the grassy knoll.

finished.

[brooksieb]

why should we be apologising to black people for slavery i don't understand?, the tribal chief leaders of africa actually sold their own people to us to use and if they wernt so greedy africa maybe wudnt of been in the state it is now, also my family would of been to poor to have had a hand in slavery or anything to do with it. and why shud white people get all the blame? what about the arabs who also done things like that, and if another race had the power to do all that stuff we did they wud of done it regardless of if they were black, white, asian, or whatever they wud of done it.

REMEMBER THIS IS ABOUT SLAVERY IN THE 17TH, 18TH AND 19TH CENTURY

also i think we should apologise for recent events like apartheid in the west and mainly south africa and the aboriginies where the current generation is still alive but only that generation shud apologise not any other generation but then saying that not all people in that generation did stuff like apartheid, its a confusing issue but to slavery i say why shud we apologise???

you should apologise personally brooksie, as it was all your fault.
i saw you. you did it.
now you should put your hands up, say something along the lines of "it's a fair cop guv" and then apologise profusely.

and i don't want any of those "it all happened centuries before i was born" and " i have never owned another single human" excuses, i've heard them all before sonny jim.

you started this thread, therefore you must be feeling guilty about something.

QED you were the man on the grassy knoll.

finished.

meh......just cause im white.....

[gethine]

why should we be apologising to black people for slavery i don't understand?, the tribal chief leaders of africa actually sold their own people to us to use and if they wernt so greedy africa maybe wudnt of been in the state it is now, also my family would of been to poor to have had a hand in slavery or anything to do with it. and why shud white people get all the blame? what about the arabs who also done things like that, and if another race had the power to do all that stuff we did they wud of done it regardless of if they were black, white, asian, or whatever they wud of done it.

REMEMBER THIS IS ABOUT SLAVERY IN THE 17TH, 18TH AND 19TH CENTURY

also i think we should apologise for recent events like apartheid in the west and mainly south africa and the aboriginies where the current generation is still alive but only that generation shud apologise not any other generation but then saying that not all people in that generation did stuff like apartheid, its a confusing issue but to slavery i say why shud we apologise???

you should apologise personally brooksie, as it was all your fault.
i saw you. you did it.
now you should put your hands up, say something along the lines of "it's a fair cop guv" and then apologise profusely.

and i don't want any of those "it all happened centuries before i was born" and " i have never owned another single human" excuses, i've heard them all before sonny jim.

you started this thread, therefore you must be feeling guilty about something.

QED you were the man on the grassy knoll.

finished.

meh......just cause im white.....

...and the dinosaurs all dying out, that was because you don't recycle all your old milk cartons.

...the titanic sinking was down to you also. as was the first and second world wars, the hundred years, crimean, peninsular and boer wars.

no amount of apologising is going to get you out of that little hole my nefarious little friend.