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Postby Dekloren on Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:49 pm

John McCain's racist remark very troubling

Thursday, March 2, 2000

By KATIE HONG

On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." Although McCain said he was referring only to his prison guards, there are many reasons why his use of the word "gook" is offensive and alarming.

It is offensive because by using a racial epithet that has historically been used to demean all Asians to describe his captors, McCain failed to make a distinction

http://www.VietnamVeteransAgainstJohnMcCain.com

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Postby Frigidus on Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:53 pm

Dekloren wrote:John McCain's racist remark very troubling

Thursday, March 2, 2000

By KATIE HONG

On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." Although McCain said he was referring only to his prison guards, there are many reasons why his use of the word "gook" is offensive and alarming.

It is offensive because by using a racial epithet that has historically been used to demean all Asians to describe his captors, McCain failed to make a distinction

http://www.VietnamVeteransAgainstJohnMcCain.com

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Gook was one of the names used to describe the Vietnamese, much as they called Germans Jerry in WWII. Not convincing.
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Postby Napoleon Ier on Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:56 pm

Well Tonky, to be extremely broad, mercantilism is first of all a zero sum game. That means it sees all competition external to the sovereign unit within which the mercantilist theory is applied (almost invariably the nation-state) as necessarily damaging to said unit, and requires it to intervene.

Capitalism does not regard competition as negative but positive, and rather than being based on zero-sum commerce, seeks to expand and find new markets and win-win situations.

Capitalism, by extension, also regards competition as a means for specialization (hence David Ricardo's theory of comparative advantage, to explain it broadly to those who haven't heard of it, the idea that someone/an organization will produce what it can produce best, even if it has an absolute advantage in the producing of an entirely different good compared to other competing organizations).

Mercantilism also sees the ultimate goal of production as the benefit to the producer, whereas capitalism recognises the consumption is the ultimate goal, and the consumer sovereign of the system. The benefit to the producer is a positive externality of this.

To break this down to the most fundamental level, you can see how a single man in a primitive society may hunt for his own food, build his own shelter, make his own coverings, and so on and so forth. However, very quickly, it becomes apparent that if he specializes in hunting, someone else in the community in shelter building, someone else in fire-making, etc, production is a lot more efficient and the consumers of the society have improved lifestyle. As soon as someone finds a "niche", which are created in function of the consumer's demands, in the production process, society benefits. If a corporation or nation more realistically finds a niche in the global market and caters specifically to consumer's desires, everyone wins. However, if a means of production becomes innefficient, one cannot view (as Mercantilism and Marxism do) he means of production as the priority of the economic system, it is the product of them and the demand for it that are essential. This is what capitalism means, fundamentally.

This is just very borad so far and overly simplistic, but if you want to debate further and go into more detail on the finer points, I'd be happy to listen to what you have to say, Tonk.
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Postby Napoleon Ier on Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:58 pm

Frigidus wrote:
Dekloren wrote:John McCain's racist remark very troubling

Thursday, March 2, 2000

By KATIE HONG

On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." Although McCain said he was referring only to his prison guards, there are many reasons why his use of the word "gook" is offensive and alarming.

It is offensive because by using a racial epithet that has historically been used to demean all Asians to describe his captors, McCain failed to make a distinction

http://www.VietnamVeteransAgainstJohnMcCain.com

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Gook was one of the names used to describe the Vietnamese, much as they called Germans Jerry in WWII. Not convincing.


Agreed...a low blow...cheap shot.
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Postby Napoleon Ier on Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:54 pm

Of course, none of this detracts from the fact that Obama's lunatic fiscal policy would cripple America and indeed the global economy. I'm talking big here, think the 1970s in worse. The best part of it? He can ride on the wave of anti-Bush sentiment and blame it all on a hangover from Bush's policy. You can just see it...2012; "America wanted change. Well, I tried, but the legacy of the previous administration proved to hard to break...but gimme a second term, and we will have da change for da Americah!1!!1" :shudder: He wants to doible capital gains tax. In light of the recession. Employer funded health care. Implemented immediately. Oh, did I mention his genius $800 billion per annum plans for increased foreign aid? Yeah baby! Let's fund Mugabe's army... :roll:
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Postby Grooveman2007 on Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:15 pm

Just because McCain called the people who tortured him for several years "Gooks" does not mean he's a racist. I would be calling them far worse things.

My grandfather still calls Japanese "those damn japs" (actually, it's something that I don't want to repeat in this forum) years after WWII. I doubt that he means all Japanese people, just the ones who tried to kill him. Experences like that should wear off on a sane person.
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Postby Snorri1234 on Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:42 am

Good to see you all are missing the entire point. Noone is saying McCain is a racist, they're just saying that he is ignorant of the meaning of the word in modern english. It makes him sort of stupid.

Groove, if your grandfather was president and referred to those damn japs, the japanese community would be very pissed off. Not everyone is as forgivable and understandable.
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Postby Frigidus on Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:45 am

Snorri1234 wrote:Good to see you all are missing the entire point. Noone is saying McCain is a racist, they're just saying that he is ignorant of the meaning of the word in modern english. It makes him sort of stupid.

Groove, if your grandfather was president and referred to those damn japs, the japanese community would be very pissed off. Not everyone is as forgivable and understandable.


So since he's not up to date on current racial slurs he's stupid? I'm not supporting the guy but it just isn't a good measurement of him.
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Postby Snorri1234 on Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:15 pm

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Snorri1234 wrote:Good to see you all are missing the entire point. Noone is saying McCain is a racist, they're just saying that he is ignorant of the meaning of the word in modern english. It makes him sort of stupid.

Groove, if your grandfather was president and referred to those damn japs, the japanese community would be very pissed off. Not everyone is as forgivable and understandable.


So since he's not up to date on current racial slurs he's stupid?


Yes. Would you consider a president who kept referring to "those funny negroes" not stupid? He might consider it non-offending, and mean no harm with it, but it's still something that someone in his position should know.
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Postby Napoleon Ier on Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:37 pm

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Snorri1234 wrote:Good to see you all are missing the entire point. Noone is saying McCain is a racist, they're just saying that he is ignorant of the meaning of the word in modern english. It makes him sort of stupid.

Groove, if your grandfather was president and referred to those damn japs, the japanese community would be very pissed off. Not everyone is as forgivable and understandable.


So since he's not up to date on current racial slurs he's stupid?


Yes. Would you consider a president who kept referring to "those funny negroes" not stupid? He might consider it non-offending, and mean no harm with it, but it's still something that someone in his position should know.


Snorrarse, how about we send you into an Indochinese internment camp where you are beaten daily and come out horrifically scarred psychologically and unable to life your arms above chest height, and see how you feel about the lovely innocent Viet-Namese peasants. McCain has clearly stated he used the term in reference to his NVA captors, just like he may use other slang commonly used amongst US servicemen at the time to describe their brutal, inhuman ennemy, from Victor Charlie to the Dinks. He does not apply it to ordinary Americans of Asiatic descent. Now if I'm honest, apart from the despicable use of this calomny against a courageous freedom fighter, a hero of the great war against Communism, who put his life on the line and gave blood, sweat and tears so that we could be free today, the fact he openly refers to them as "gooks" shows his refusal to suck up to a pathetic PC system, and his shows his warrior attitude is intact. It's a selling point, if anything. He speaks his mind, and credit to him.
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Postby Snorri1234 on Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:42 pm

Sometimes, nappy, you just appear as a greater lover of america than most americans. It's useless to explain why you're wrong every time.
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Postby comic boy on Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:06 pm

I would have thought that freedom fighter would be a term better suited to the Vietnamese , it is after all their country.
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Postby DaGip on Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:18 pm

static_ice wrote:If it came down to Hilary vs. McCain, who would you vote for?


Shit! You would have to ask that question! Can I still write in Ron Paul? :wink:
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Postby Napoleon Ier on Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:19 pm

comic boy wrote:I would have thought that freedom fighter would be a term better suited to the Vietnamese , it is after all their country.


Snorrarse: Yes, I love the US. Not in the same way I love my country, but I can honestly say that I believe that the American nation is unique, and frankly, despite the love I have for my country, say tha it is far and away the greates tnation on earth and the shining beacon of freedom (in the modern world, at least). Now, if loving a great Nation and friend of my Country like America is cause enough for snide, smug, arrogant European ingrates to dismiss me as a redneck-loving "stupid and extremely right wing person", then I don't know what to say, except suggest that they take a long, hard look at themselves....

Comicboy: Their country? What country? North Viet-Nam, South-Vietnam? Remember, the NVA was an invading army, and the NLF were NVA sponsored terrorists (by any definition of the word). And actually, your wrong : it's my country. Vive l'Indochine Française.
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Postby DaGip on Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:37 pm

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comic boy wrote:I would have thought that freedom fighter would be a term better suited to the Vietnamese , it is after all their country.


Snorrarse: Yes, I love the US. Not in the same way I love my country, but I can honestly say that I believe that the American nation is unique, and frankly, despite the love I have for my country, say tha it is far and away the greates tnation on earth and the shining beacon of freedom (in the modern world, at least). Now, if loving a great Nation and friend of my Country like America is cause enough for snide, smug, arrogant European ingrates to dismiss me as a redneck-loving "stupid and extremely right wing person", then I don't know what to say, except suggest that they take a long, hard look at themselves....

Comicboy: Their country? What country? North Viet-Nam, South-Vietnam? Remember, the NVA was an invading army, and the NLF were NVA sponsored terrorists (by any definition of the word). And actually, your wrong : it's my country. Vive l'Indochine Française.


Hey! Don't forget Aussie! America/Britian/Aussie: Ameribritilia. Sounds good to me! And please don't get me wrong, I respect McCain and what he has done for our country during Vietnam, I just think he's got a screw loose from Hanoi and that would make him dangerous as the leader of the strongest military nation on the planet! McCain has been known to be a little bit of a loose cannon in the senate, that isn't what we need as President right now. Since Ron Paul isn't going to make it, then we need to decide who is going to make the best leader during WorldWar3. Because that is what is coming up, if we are not already into it. I am afraid McCain would fly off the handle, let his anger take over (DarthMcCain) and make bad judgements based on those emotions. Let's not forget that McCain is quite old as well. His choice in VP would need to be a strong one, one that would eminate as much leadership and youth as possible. Perhaps, McCain choosing Huckabee might change my mind. If he chose Ron Paul I would definitely vote McCain, but that would never in a million zillion years happen, since McCain has shown so much anomosity towards Paul.

McCain/Huckabee ticket might change my mind. Well worth reconsidering my stance. I thought last election was the most important election, but now I think this one is. Is this how it always feels during election time? That every election feels like the most important election of all time?
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Postby Napoleon Ier on Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:42 pm

DaGip wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
comic boy wrote:I would have thought that freedom fighter would be a term better suited to the Vietnamese , it is after all their country.


Snorrarse: Yes, I love the US. Not in the same way I love my country, but I can honestly say that I believe that the American nation is unique, and frankly, despite the love I have for my country, say tha it is far and away the greates tnation on earth and the shining beacon of freedom (in the modern world, at least). Now, if loving a great Nation and friend of my Country like America is cause enough for snide, smug, arrogant European ingrates to dismiss me as a redneck-loving "stupid and extremely right wing person", then I don't know what to say, except suggest that they take a long, hard look at themselves....

Comicboy: Their country? What country? North Viet-Nam, South-Vietnam? Remember, the NVA was an invading army, and the NLF were NVA sponsored terrorists (by any definition of the word). And actually, your wrong : it's my country. Vive l'Indochine Française.


Hey! Don't forget Aussie! America/Britian/Aussie: Ameribritilia. Sounds good to me! And please don't get me wrong, I respect McCain and what he has done for our country during Vietnam, I just think he's got a screw loose from Hanoi and that would make him dangerous as the leader of the strongest military nation on the planet! McCain has been known to be a little bit of a loose cannon in the senate, that isn't what we need as President right now. Since Ron Paul isn't going to make it, then we need to decide who is going to make the best leader during WorldWar3. Because that is what is coming up, if we are not already into it. I am afraid McCain would fly off the handle, let his anger take over (DarthMcCain) and make bad judgements based on those emotions. Let's not forget that McCain is quite old as well. His choice in VP would need to be a strong one, one that would eminate as much leadership and youth as possible. Perhaps, McCain choosing Huckabee might change my mind. If he chose Ron Paul I would definitely vote McCain, but that would never in a million zillion years happen, since McCain has shown so much anomosity towards Paul.

McCain/Huckabee ticket might change my mind. Well worth reconsidering my stance. I thought last election was the most important election, but now I think this one is. Is this how it always feels during election time? That every election feels like the most important election of all time?


Yeah, I see where you're coming from, but thankfully, enough checks and balances exist that I think McCain is a perfectly safe and sensible choice. In comparison, if you look at Obama's policies, you want to cry. He barely proposes any, half the time he's just blathering about "America needs change", and when he does, they're horrifyind, and completely detatched from reality. He wants to double capital gains tax (on the cusp of a recession), give universal employee healthcare provided by "managed competition" (=state control), and oh brilliant, "promote American competitivity using trade protection", the first step of which will be...yay!! renege on CAFTA. :roll:
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Postby Snorri1234 on Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:55 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:Snorrarse, how about we send you into an Indochinese internment camp where you are beaten daily and come out horrifically scarred psychologically and unable to life your arms above chest height, and see how you feel about the lovely innocent Viet-Namese peasants.

I'd rather you don't. I understand why McCain said what he said, I think it's just a really stupid thing to say. You have to consider the point that someone so oblivious to the meaning of his words might not be the best choice for a president.

to describe their brutal, inhuman ennemy

Yay for subjective points! So anyone fighting against the USA is brutal and inhuman, whereas the US soldiers are ofcourse shining examples of virtue?
He does not apply it to ordinary Americans of Asiatic descent.

No he doesn't. Problem is however, that the term actually refers to them. If I claimed that when I say "nigger" it's only referring to black criminals and not normal blacks, would you say "Oh well that's allright then, no problems there". And mind you, this is about a presidential candidate. McCain will be interacting with foreign diplomats and leaders, lots of whom are from Asia. Shit like this will not create a whole lot of understanding from their side.

Now if I'm honest, apart from the despicable use of this calomny against a courageous freedom fighter, a hero of the great war against Communism, who put his life on the line and gave blood, sweat and tears so that we could be free today,

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What?

Vietnam was about the freedom of Europe and the USA?

the fact he openly refers to them as "gooks" shows his refusal to suck up to a pathetic PC system,

No, it shows his insensibility to modern day politics.
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Postby Napoleon Ier on Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:02 pm

Viet-Nam was about exactly that. There's a little incident, that occured, oh, for a length of time really, between, ooh...roughly 1945 (we'll say it started during the Potsdam conference) and went on 'til about 1989 or '91. Read up on it, it's mighty interesting...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War

As for the rest of your post, fine, you rate presidential candidates based on the latent racism they may exhibit due to having been tortured by people who happen to be of a certain racial group for 5 years in service of their country, I'll continue rating my choice based on concrete proposals for geopolitical and economic policy. :wink:
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Postby brooksieb on Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:05 pm

if i had the choice i'd still keep in bush.......that guy's hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby Elijah S on Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:22 pm

After 8 years of Bush, the near total collapse of our financial stability, a war in a country that will never change their patriarchal lifestyle, the progressive invasion of the U.S. by illegals, and the complete loss of confidence in American Government by Americans and non-Americans alike... I'd like to vote Democratic, but the extreme liberal views of that party aren't what I would consider an appealing option.

We need a Third Party which can implement the "good" things about the 2 parties we have.
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Postby Snorri1234 on Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:10 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:Viet-Nam was about exactly that. There's a little incident, that occured, oh, for a length of time really, between, ooh...roughly 1945 (we'll say it started during the Potsdam conference) and went on 'til about 1989 or '91. Read up on it, it's mighty interesting...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War


Ah I see, you confused the fight against communism with fighting for freedom. The fact that the USA lost the Vietnam-war basically means we're all communists now?

The vietnam war was about the freedom of south vietnam, and the hate the USA has/had for communism.

As for the rest of your post, fine, you rate presidential candidates based on the latent racism they may exhibit due to having been tortured by people who happen to be of a certain racial group for 5 years in service of their country,

Haha, no.
I rate them based on whether they will be able to maintain foreign relations. Among other things ofcourse.
I must have missed the post where I said the only thing I consider is whether a candidate may say racist stuff. Good thing you're here to change what I'm actually saying into what you want to hear, nappy.
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Postby DaGip on Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:41 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
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Napoleon Ier wrote:
comic boy wrote:I would have thought that freedom fighter would be a term better suited to the Vietnamese , it is after all their country.


Snorrarse: Yes, I love the US. Not in the same way I love my country, but I can honestly say that I believe that the American nation is unique, and frankly, despite the love I have for my country, say tha it is far and away the greates tnation on earth and the shining beacon of freedom (in the modern world, at least). Now, if loving a great Nation and friend of my Country like America is cause enough for snide, smug, arrogant European ingrates to dismiss me as a redneck-loving "stupid and extremely right wing person", then I don't know what to say, except suggest that they take a long, hard look at themselves....

Comicboy: Their country? What country? North Viet-Nam, South-Vietnam? Remember, the NVA was an invading army, and the NLF were NVA sponsored terrorists (by any definition of the word). And actually, your wrong : it's my country. Vive l'Indochine Française.


Hey! Don't forget Aussie! America/Britian/Aussie: Ameribritilia. Sounds good to me! And please don't get me wrong, I respect McCain and what he has done for our country during Vietnam, I just think he's got a screw loose from Hanoi and that would make him dangerous as the leader of the strongest military nation on the planet! McCain has been known to be a little bit of a loose cannon in the senate, that isn't what we need as President right now. Since Ron Paul isn't going to make it, then we need to decide who is going to make the best leader during WorldWar3. Because that is what is coming up, if we are not already into it. I am afraid McCain would fly off the handle, let his anger take over (DarthMcCain) and make bad judgements based on those emotions. Let's not forget that McCain is quite old as well. His choice in VP would need to be a strong one, one that would eminate as much leadership and youth as possible. Perhaps, McCain choosing Huckabee might change my mind. If he chose Ron Paul I would definitely vote McCain, but that would never in a million zillion years happen, since McCain has shown so much anomosity towards Paul.

McCain/Huckabee ticket might change my mind. Well worth reconsidering my stance. I thought last election was the most important election, but now I think this one is. Is this how it always feels during election time? That every election feels like the most important election of all time?


Yeah, I see where you're coming from, but thankfully, enough checks and balances exist that I think McCain is a perfectly safe and sensible choice. In comparison, if you look at Obama's policies, you want to cry. He barely proposes any, half the time he's just blathering about "America needs change", and when he does, they're horrifyind, and completely detatched from reality.


This is quite true, I agree. Obama has not done much in creating a sound message on anything except his continual droning of "change" and "hope", but in wake of the Bush presidency, Americans might be taken in by this type of political rhetoric. I, being a Ron Paul supporter, am not so willing to throw my vote in for McCain just yet. McCain wants to stay and commit troops to Iraq for the next one hundred years, the whole while America is going bankrupt. That doesn't sit easy with me and I am sure it doesn't sit easy with most Americans. Obama has a sense of confidence and potrays a "no sweat" assurance with his attitude. His charisma and his intellect out weigh that of McCain. His youth and health are also a bonus for me. McCain is almost ready for a nursing home.


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give universal employee healthcare provided by "managed competition" (=state control), and oh brilliant, "promote American competitivity using trade protection", the first step of which will be...yay!! renege on CAFTA. :roll:[/quote]

America is in a deep shit hole of an illegal war that should have never been waged. Paul and Obama at least voted against the war, that is another reason I am thinking about Obama as opposed to McCain. The trillions of dollars we are sinking into Iraq has to be paid for somehow? How do we do it? It is going to have to be through some type of taxation or cuts of funding to the military. Paul had suggested not raising taxes, but bringing all our troops home and saving the money that way. The Dems are going to raise your taxes and I believe McCain will too, as he sits very close to that side. And one major fart in foreign relations right now, we would probably be looking at a draft of which the Dems and McCain are more apt to reinstate. Here we are stuck. McCain has no qualms with drafting "little jerks", but I do not know Obama's view on a reinstatement of the draft.

Napoleon Ier wrote:give universal employee healthcare provided by "managed competition" (=state control),


Universal healthcare has been batted around for a long time. The flaw here is that only a select few health insurance companies would be let in, and therefore make an incredible sum of money off of the American people who would be forced to pay them for coverage. America's last chance at preserving its Republican/Libertarian roots rested with Ron Paul. Now that he is out, America will have to become more socialist. And with the advent of more war, America will have to become more nationalistic to maintain their morale. NationalSocialism...what does that spell? This is the new brand of Communism under the veil of freedom and democracy.

Napoleon Ier wrote: and oh brilliant, "promote American competitivity using trade protection", the first step of which will be...yay!! renege on CAFTA. :roll:


The reason for this is that many middle class Americans lost their manufacturing jobs because the companies packed up shop and left for Mexico, Central America, or most often, China. The higher taxes being proposed will definitely not help the middle class, both parties need to take that into consideration. I think I would rather support a tax gathered to the UN in helping poor countries rather than giving up good American jobs to Mexico and China. America needs to keep its jobs. When these jobs go away to foreign countries, then there is a trickle down effect felt all across the board. It may not happen right away, but eventually everyone will feel it. For example: Joe's job goes to Mexico, Joe has no money or very little now so Joe does not eat at the FiveStarBurger anymore. FiveStarBurger feels the drain and has to cut back on employees, therefore contributing more to unemployment and recession. It keeps going on until businesses go bankrupt and people start losing their houses. Free trade was bad for the American middle class, there is no doubt about it. If we want a job, we might want to consider moving to China or Mexico.

At this moment, I am so angry at the Bush administration that I am willing to vote Obama just to get as far away as possible from that type of mentality, McCain seems a bit too close to Bush for my liking, especially since Dad just endorsed him. Tough decision is this one, but I feel, as of now, that Obama will bring a better future for my kids.
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Postby Snorri1234 on Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:48 pm

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Napoleon Ier wrote:give universal employee healthcare provided by "managed competition" (=state control),


Universal healthcare has been batted around for a long time. The flaw here is that only a select few health insurance companies would be let in, and therefore make an incredible sum of money off of the American people who would be forced to pay them for coverage.

Instead of the many insurance companies who now make an incredible sum of money off the backs of the american people, ofcourse.
I mean, you do realise that every other country in the world has cheaper healthcare?

America's last chance at preserving its Republican/Libertarian roots rested with Ron Paul. Now that he is out, America will have to become more socialist. And with the advent of more war, America will have to become more nationalistic to maintain their morale. NationalSocialism...what does that spell? This is the new brand of Communism under the veil of freedom and democracy.

Lol the USA is becoming nazi-germany?
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Postby DaGip on Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:07 pm

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DaGip wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:give universal employee healthcare provided by "managed competition" (=state control),


Universal healthcare has been batted around for a long time. The flaw here is that only a select few health insurance companies would be let in, and therefore make an incredible sum of money off of the American people who would be forced to pay them for coverage.

Instead of the many insurance companies who now make an incredible sum of money off the backs of the american people, ofcourse.
I mean, you do realise that every other country in the world has cheaper healthcare?

America's last chance at preserving its Republican/Libertarian roots rested with Ron Paul. Now that he is out, America will have to become more socialist. And with the advent of more war, America will have to become more nationalistic to maintain their morale. NationalSocialism...what does that spell? This is the new brand of Communism under the veil of freedom and democracy.

Lol the USA is becoming nazi-germany?


well, NaziCooperateFascists, yes...NaziGermany, no.
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Postby Snorri1234 on Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:08 pm

DaGip wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
DaGip wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:give universal employee healthcare provided by "managed competition" (=state control),


Universal healthcare has been batted around for a long time. The flaw here is that only a select few health insurance companies would be let in, and therefore make an incredible sum of money off of the American people who would be forced to pay them for coverage.

Instead of the many insurance companies who now make an incredible sum of money off the backs of the american people, ofcourse.
I mean, you do realise that every other country in the world has cheaper healthcare?

America's last chance at preserving its Republican/Libertarian roots rested with Ron Paul. Now that he is out, America will have to become more socialist. And with the advent of more war, America will have to become more nationalistic to maintain their morale. NationalSocialism...what does that spell? This is the new brand of Communism under the veil of freedom and democracy.

Lol the USA is becoming nazi-germany?


well, NaziCooperateFascists, yes...NaziGermany, no.


I honestly don't understand. Is most of europe compromised of nazis too?
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