50 Cent Supports Hillary, Why?...

[DaGip]

Conservatives would love a black President. "What!?! Racism!?! Racism doesn't exist! Don't you know we have a BLACK President!?"

Exactly...

That's what Bush has been doing with Rice and Powell. That way they can say they are not racist. That's how I have been seeing it anyway.

hmm.. or maybe, rice and powell were qualified for the job...?

WTF r u talking about! There ain't NOBODY in that friggin' administration that is qualified for freakin' anything! Unless you consider killing millions of innocent Iraqis and Afghanis a fucking qualification?

i think powell was pretty well qualified. thats just a personal preference i suppose

Yes, I agree with you, Powell is indeed different from the NeoCon frame of mind. At least he parted ways quickly. Powell has a high sense of honor, whereas, Bush has only a sense of saving face. However, Powell still provided false information concerning WMDs in Iraq. Probably under orders to do so, so he did his job and he got the fuk out. Rice has her nose up Bush's ass so far, it ain't ever comin' out.

These so called Republicans are NEOCONS! They are not Republicans! They hijacked the party, just like IslamicExtremists are hijacking Islam. If you don't think the NeoCons use Rice's race as a kind of racist kevlar, you are incredibly stupid. It is obvious all the time that that is the issue, time after time.

Bush and his rich elitist freinds are all WHITE HONKIES! They don't give a fucking shit about Black People, Black Americans, Black Muslims...as far as they are concerned, they can all drop off the face of the fucking earth! But America is so fucking race conscious, that the NEOCONS know the average bub keeps tabs on them concerning race. So, the NeoCons hire a few really smart Black Americans into some positions in power, that way when racism about them comes up, they can point a finger at the HOUSE NIGGA and say,"See! See! We ain'ts racist! Why would we have Mizz Rice if we was soooooo racist!"

Only a bafoon would believe otherwise. NeoCons are racist Nazi scumbags and the sooner we get them out of power the fucking better!

I will vote Obama! No way in hell am I casting another fucking NeoCon vote! McCain can kiss my ass! That old fucker needs to go back to Arizona and retire! He is TOOO old to be a president, plus I have never heard a candidate for the presidency say the word,"Ummm!" so many fucking times.

Ron Paul was the only true conservative out of the whole bunch, with Huckabee coming in second. Those were the only two chances the Republicans had in keeping my vote.

Go Obama, GO!!!!

[Napoleon Ier]

Aww now Gippy...not that 'un thar lunatic!

[Snorri1234]

I think what meggy was saying was that a lot of conservatives have the tendency to deny there is any racism that exists nowadays.

If that's the case, then it is a statement based on ignorance. How can she, you, or anyone know what the motives of "a lot of" conservatives are? You would have to show specific citations of policies, quotes, or legislation passed which are specifically designed to deny blacks equality as part of our laws. I'm not trying to convince you, I just want you to be able to back up the assertion and prove it to me.

By "a lot" I mean conservatives who get the attention in the news and stuff. Not the voter-base.

I am not saying they're denying blacks equality, I'm saying they're denying racism exists. Black people are already equal by law, the main issue right now is also making them equal in the eyes of the public. There is still racism. Many conservatives are denying that that is the case.

[Napoleon Ier]

I think what meggy was saying was that a lot of conservatives have the tendency to deny there is any racism that exists nowadays.

If that's the case, then it is a statement based on ignorance. How can she, you, or anyone know what the motives of "a lot of" conservatives are? You would have to show specific citations of policies, quotes, or legislation passed which are specifically designed to deny blacks equality as part of our laws. I'm not trying to convince you, I just want you to be able to back up the assertion and prove it to me.

By "a lot" I mean conservatives who get the attention in the news and stuff. Not the voter-base.

I am not saying they're denying blacks equality, I'm saying they're denying racism exists. Black people are already equal by law, the main issue right now is also making them equal in the eyes of the public. There is still racism. Many conservatives are denying that that is the case.

Racism is one of the greatest problems facing our european society.

Anti-white and anti-semitic sentiments are rife in many mohametan controlled strongholds accross Europe (Brussels, Paris, Marseilles, etc...).

[Frigidus]

I think what meggy was saying was that a lot of conservatives have the tendency to deny there is any racism that exists nowadays.

If that's the case, then it is a statement based on ignorance. How can she, you, or anyone know what the motives of "a lot of" conservatives are? You would have to show specific citations of policies, quotes, or legislation passed which are specifically designed to deny blacks equality as part of our laws. I'm not trying to convince you, I just want you to be able to back up the assertion and prove it to me.

By "a lot" I mean conservatives who get the attention in the news and stuff. Not the voter-base.

I am not saying they're denying blacks equality, I'm saying they're denying racism exists. Black people are already equal by law, the main issue right now is also making them equal in the eyes of the public. There is still racism. Many conservatives are denying that that is the case.

Racism is one of the greatest problems facing our european society.

Anti-white and anti-semitic sentiments are rife in many mohametan controlled strongholds accross Europe (Brussels, Paris, Marseilles, etc...).

Hm...er, just asking, but is this as ironic as I think it is? It seems...really ironic, but maybe I'm misinterpreting napolean.

[luns101]

Luns, I think you need to apologize to me for your acting like a baby, a jerk, and an imbecile.

(Lemme just say before you accuse me of further intolerable prejudice, babies and imbeciles are ok by me, but not combined with jerkiness.)

Not gonna happen, but nice try to once again try to deflect attention away from what you said.

[DaGip]

Luns, I think you need to apologize to me for your acting like a baby, a jerk, and an imbecile.

(Lemme just say before you accuse me of further intolerable prejudice, babies and imbeciles are ok by me, but not combined with jerkiness.)

Not gonna happen, but nice try to once again try to deflect attention away from what you said.

VOTE OBAMA! HE'S GOT HAIR!
AND BUSH IS A RACIST BASTARD!

[luns101]

luns you are being far too defensive here. As always first and foremost i am a curious person, i assume as someone in your position who is always well thought out and reasonable, that you might have some insight about some specifics that i was unaware of. Furthermore, you may have different information or sources that i do not frequent, and would help me to better understand as a whole.

Again i apologize if i have offended, but i dont feel like this was a end all be all argument and i would question again whether or not you are being too defensive considering i certainly was not charging conservative or condeming them as that post has a rather mild tone to it.

I suppose i have to add this in as well....correlation does not assume casuality, but if we are trying to understand complex sets of human behavior and prediliction, it certainly does not have to be thrown out as a starting point.

Well, I admit I'm angered and a little perplexed by your statements. Think if the shoe were on the other foot and it was your side being labeled incorrectly. I think you would be justified in calling whoever said it to task.

The red is simply a misunderstanding of terms, and perhaps me being sloppy. It is also an example of you being too defensive about something which clearly i would not accuse you of or individuals who share your way of thinking. The probably not was a conciliatory measure, not an example of doubt. Id chalk it up to an imperfect medium of communication.

OK

The blue is not something of course that i have scientific proof for or the argument to end all arugments. It is simply a matter of intitution. If youd like where i derived tha assumption from....

consider a number of conservative stances related to things like national security, immigration, education, welfare, the size of gov. Sober minded analysts on every side of the coin have often argued that race is an element in many of these things, albeit to varying degrees. If we were to discuss stances that tend to be more favorable to many differnet groups of minorites (with important caveats and exceptions of course) liberals will tend to have stances that favor their interests more (for a variety of reasons - my own personal ones probably have to do with the way i have been educated and subsequently my class based understanding of society) whereas conservatives tend to favor their own self interest more, and tend to view societal good as a secondary concern, or as something that occurs if everyone does their own job (a simple example being trickle down economics).

Well, at least you admit to the fact that it's probably due to the way you've been educated. This is an area where our side (the conservative side) is struggling to get it's message across because we're not even considered to be "sober-minded" by many in academia.

GT, although you may think I'm coming across as defensive...think for one moment if your political motivations were the ones being ridiculed. I see the way conservatives are labeled here and decided to stand up on this issue. I've pretty much stayed out of the controversial stuff but once in awhile it's got to be addressed. I get pm's from people who don't post here much who basically say things like "thank you so much for trying to present our side" (my paraphrase).

[Grooveman2007]

Luns, I think you need to apologize to me for your acting like a baby, a jerk, and an imbecile.

(Lemme just say before you accuse me of further intolerable prejudice, babies and imbeciles are ok by me, but not combined with jerkiness.)

Not gonna happen, but nice try to once again try to deflect attention away from what you said.

VOTE OBAMA! HE'S GOT HAIR!
AND BUSH IS A RACIST BASTARD!

Bush isn't even in this election! Drop the topic of Bush for f*ck's sake. You're annoying the shit out of me.

[DaGip]

Luns, I think you need to apologize to me for your acting like a baby, a jerk, and an imbecile.

(Lemme just say before you accuse me of further intolerable prejudice, babies and imbeciles are ok by me, but not combined with jerkiness.)

Not gonna happen, but nice try to once again try to deflect attention away from what you said.

VOTE OBAMA! HE'S GOT HAIR!
AND BUSH IS A RACIST BASTARD!

Bush isn't even in this election! Drop the topic of Bush for f*ck's sake. You're annoying the shit out of me.

Go lap the water from Bush's toilet, you NeoCon loving porcupine!

[luns101]

By "a lot" I mean conservatives who get the attention in the news and stuff. Not the voter-base.

Which conservatives who get the attention in the news and stuff are trying to put out the notion that racism doesn't exist?

I am not saying they're denying blacks equality, I'm saying they're denying racism exists. Black people are already equal by law, the main issue right now is also making them equal in the eyes of the public. There is still racism. Many conservatives are denying that that is the case.

Please show me the quotes where conservative Republicans are claiming that racism doesn't exist. Please also show what means they are using to put forth this notion to the eyes of the public. How are they getting this message across to the public?

[Grooveman2007]

Luns, I think you need to apologize to me for your acting like a baby, a jerk, and an imbecile.

(Lemme just say before you accuse me of further intolerable prejudice, babies and imbeciles are ok by me, but not combined with jerkiness.)

Not gonna happen, but nice try to once again try to deflect attention away from what you said.

VOTE OBAMA! HE'S GOT HAIR!
AND BUSH IS A RACIST BASTARD!

Bush isn't even in this election! Drop the topic of Bush for f*ck's sake. You're annoying the shit out of me.

Go lap the water from Bush's toilet, you NeoCon loving porcupine!

Wow, real intellegent response. Shows a lot about your character when you resort to petty insults.

[Frigidus]

Luns, I think you need to apologize to me for your acting like a baby, a jerk, and an imbecile.

(Lemme just say before you accuse me of further intolerable prejudice, babies and imbeciles are ok by me, but not combined with jerkiness.)

Not gonna happen, but nice try to once again try to deflect attention away from what you said.

VOTE OBAMA! HE'S GOT HAIR!
AND BUSH IS A RACIST BASTARD!

Bush isn't even in this election! Drop the topic of Bush for f*ck's sake. You're annoying the shit out of me.

Go lap the water from Bush's toilet, you NeoCon loving porcupine!

Wow, real intellegent response. Shows a lot about your character when you resort to petty insults.

That's what she said!

[DaGip]

Luns, I think you need to apologize to me for your acting like a baby, a jerk, and an imbecile.

(Lemme just say before you accuse me of further intolerable prejudice, babies and imbeciles are ok by me, but not combined with jerkiness.)

Not gonna happen, but nice try to once again try to deflect attention away from what you said.

VOTE OBAMA! HE'S GOT HAIR!
AND BUSH IS A RACIST BASTARD!

Bush isn't even in this election! Drop the topic of Bush for f*ck's sake. You're annoying the shit out of me.

Go lap the water from Bush's toilet, you NeoCon loving porcupine!

Wow, real intellegent response. Shows a lot about your character when you resort to petty insults.

I get it all the time, so what the hell...why not join 'em? I was saying that Bush was a racist dickweed, so don't vote Republican...vote OBAMA! (I apologize for calling you a porcupine).

[luns101]

First off, if we're talking about compare-and-contrasts between 19th and 20th century politics, I feel it would be best to talk about what states-rights politicians did versus federalists. And federalists (who I feel are best embodied in the modern Democratics Party) were responsible for ending officially recognized discrimination in the United States.

Some did of course, but where is the credit given to conservatives/Republicans who also championed those causes?

And meggy wasn't labeling Republicans racist. Far from it. What she was saying (if I may speak for her) is that Republicans want to believe that racism is no longer a factor to be accounted for in public policy, i.e. cuts in welfare, no affirmative action, etc. Having a black president would reinforce that idea, that the US is truly free, with liberty and justice for all, that a black man can become president. No race-baiting intended.

I won't deny the fact that Obama's election would be a "symbol" that would reaffirm that "idea" but that is not substance. Society will unfortunately never be totally 'color-blind', but let's not kid ourselves that when it comes to how conservatives are portrayed in the U.S., we are viewed at the very best as "insensitive and uncaring".

What meggy has now done is try to change this discussion away from what she said to my attitude about it. Not gonna work. If my points were truly bogus then she should have a mountain of evidence which would refute:

*That FDR didn't forcefully inter Japanese-Americans and that Ronald Regan didn't sign an act to compensate them for that in 1988.
*Hugo Black wasn't a member of the KKK who was nominated to the U.S. Supreme Court by FDR.
*Orval Faubus didn't try to prohibit blacks from entering a public high school in Little Rock, AK.
*Ernest Hollings didn't actually oppose lunch counter integation.
*J. William Fulbright wasn't a segregationist who Bill Clinton said was his political mentor.
*A greater percentage of Democratic senators voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act than Republican senators.

If I'm so wrong then this should be easily refutable. All she's doing is saying I'm wrong and trying to demonize her. In other words, I'm picking on her.

[DaGip]

Society will unfortunately never be totally 'color-blind',

In Luns' mind, what a racist you are, geesh!

[SolidLuigi]

Society will unfortunately never be totally 'color-blind',

In Luns' mind, what a racist you are, geesh!

I have to agree with luns here. And the reason why is I believe there will always be stupid or ignorant or just hateful people around.

[InkL0sed]

First off, if we're talking about compare-and-contrasts between 19th and 20th century politics, I feel it would be best to talk about what states-rights politicians did versus federalists. And federalists (who I feel are best embodied in the modern Democratics Party) were responsible for ending officially recognized discrimination in the United States.

Some did of course, but where is the credit given to conservatives/Republicans who also championed those causes?

And meggy wasn't labeling Republicans racist. Far from it. What she was saying (if I may speak for her) is that Republicans want to believe that racism is no longer a factor to be accounted for in public policy, i.e. cuts in welfare, no affirmative action, etc. Having a black president would reinforce that idea, that the US is truly free, with liberty and justice for all, that a black man can become president. No race-baiting intended.

I won't deny the fact that Obama's election would be a "symbol" that would reaffirm that "idea" but that is not substance. Society will unfortunately never be totally 'color-blind', but let's not kid ourselves that when it comes to how conservatives are portrayed in the U.S., we are viewed at the very best as "insensitive and uncaring".

What meggy has now done is try to change this discussion away from what she said to my attitude about it. Not gonna work. If my points were truly bogus then she should have a mountain of evidence which would refute:

*That FDR didn't forcefully inter Japanese-Americans and that Ronald Regan didn't sign an act to compensate them for that in 1988.
*Hugo Black wasn't a member of the KKK who was nominated to the U.S. Supreme Court by FDR.
*Orval Faubus didn't try to prohibit blacks from entering a public high school in Little Rock, AK.
*Ernest Hollings didn't actually oppose lunch counter integation.
*J. William Fulbright wasn't a segregationist who Bill Clinton said was his political mentor.
*A greater percentage of Democratic senators voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act than Republican senators.

If I'm so wrong then this should be easily refutable. All she's doing is saying I'm wrong and trying to demonize her. In other words, I'm picking on her.

luns, we are talking about the present. Notice how all those things (except for the Bill Clinton part, which I honestly don't know enough about to comment on) happened about 40-50 years ago?

You want evidence? Ann Coulter. Her name alone should say enough, but if you need clarification, I was watching her on C-SPAN, making a speech in which she ridiculed the possibility of electing a guy called "Hussein," in an obvious attempt to compare him to Saddam. Just one example from a long tirade (which I eventually shut off in disgust) that was hardly the picture of tolerance.

That said, I do agree with you that some of the generalizations being made are unfair.

[DaGip]

Society will unfortunately never be totally 'color-blind',

In Luns' mind, what a racist you are, geesh!

I have to agree with luns here. And the reason why is I believe there will always be stupid or ignorant or just hateful people around.

I guess in this regard, I am an optimist. I believe eventually society will overcome racism. But it will not be the society that you know and are used to. We have quite a ways to go, but we will get there. I do not adhere to the belief that we will never succeed at overcoming the ignorance of racism, and I don't want to pass that attitude on to my kids. Defeatist attitudes will never offer hope where it is mostly needed.

[SolidLuigi]

Society will unfortunately never be totally 'color-blind',

In Luns' mind, what a racist you are, geesh!

I have to agree with luns here. And the reason why is I believe there will always be stupid or ignorant or just hateful people around.

I guess in this regard, I am an optimist. I believe eventually society will overcome racism. But it will not be the society that you know and are used to. We have quite a ways to go, but we will get there. I do not adhere to the belief that we will never succeed at overcoming the ignorance of racism, and I don't want to pass that attitude on to my kids. Defeatist attitudes will never offer hope where it is mostly needed.

Yeah I'm a pessimist

[InkL0sed]

Society will unfortunately never be totally 'color-blind',

In Luns' mind, what a racist you are, geesh!

I have to agree with luns here. And the reason why is I believe there will always be stupid or ignorant or just hateful people around.

I guess in this regard, I am an optimist. I believe eventually society will overcome racism. But it will not be the society that you know and are used to. We have quite a ways to go, but we will get there. I do not adhere to the belief that we will never succeed at overcoming the ignorance of racism, and I don't want to pass that attitude on to my kids. Defeatist attitudes will never offer hope where it is mostly needed.

I agree with you

[spurgistan]

One thing - I watched the video, and 50 has to be one of the 6 dumbest people in the universe. Sure, I knew this by listening to his music (lyrics = mundane, beats = totally uninnovative) but his rationale for voting Hillary (a defensible choice, mind you) is so dumb (concern for Obama's wellbeing) I can understand why it was on Fox News.

Sorry.

But who in any mind really cares what Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson thinks? Or thinks he is indicative of "the black voting bloc", an increasingly archaic term mostly trotted out by the media? This angers me.

[Neutrino]

Society will unfortunately never be totally 'color-blind',

In Luns' mind, what a racist you are, geesh!

I have to agree with luns here. And the reason why is I believe there will always be stupid or ignorant or just hateful people around.

I guess in this regard, I am an optimist. I believe eventually society will overcome racism. But it will not be the society that you know and are used to. We have quite a ways to go, but we will get there. I do not adhere to the belief that we will never succeed at overcoming the ignorance of racism, and I don't want to pass that attitude on to my kids. Defeatist attitudes will never offer hope where it is mostly needed.

I predict society will mostly abandon racism once someone gets a good war going. Racism against parts of your own society is a peace-time thing. When war rolls around, you need to unite all X's, regardless of race or creed against the evil Y scourge. I would hazard a guess that racism against blacks decreased significantly during WW2 (only to bounce back). Of course, if some X's are former Y's, then racism against them will continue unscathed.

[unriggable]

Vietnam, Neutrino.

[anibus]

I firmly believe that if Clinton or Obama become the next President, they would be assasinated.

Tho the world and the USA say they are ready for change, there are powers that be that wouldn't allow that to happen.

Besides, how better to make one a figurehead of something then to make a martyr out of them.

Just look at MLK, he was a great man but sadly enuff his death made him even greater.