Shud mentally nd physcally born people be allowed 2 hav kids

[brooksieb]

sorry for the spelling there wernt enough space to right it properly... if you got any ideas of how a new thread name that i shud use please tell me

anyway i dont know much on the subject so im gonna keep neutral and just let people argue and bicker amongst themselves, though i guess if people that have these disabilities there genes pass on to the kids giving that kid a bad life too but it is there rights and i wudnt like it if i wasnt allowed to have kids, and i dont know about what im saying for sure, so people keep it clean and try ur hardest not to be too hurtful

but one of my family is a dwarf in size so i know what its like to have a person in the family that is physically challenged

[MeDeFe]

You can't even spell correctly when you have enough space to do so.

[brooksieb]

i know it gay they need to let ya type more letters

[Serbia]

You can't legislate you can and cannot have children.

[herndawg]

I think it is important to not make any laws against this. It would open the door to too many other things. What is retarded, what about people who are born with one arm, what about stupid people, what about Jews, It just leads right to Hitler.
Whats most important is that people who need help get it from other caring people and that they are protected from perverts and such. I personally havn't seen two retarded people walking in wal-mart with a 2 year old kid. Maybe it isn't an issue that needs addressed or controlled. If someone can't take care of themselves the only way this would be an issue is if they were taken advantage of or helped to be connected with another retarded person anyway. Anyone capable of taking care of themselves has their own responsibility and shouldn't have special laws against them.

[brooksieb]

I think it is important to not make any laws against this. It would open the door to too many other things. What is retarded, what about people who are born with one arm, what about stupid people, what about Jews, It just leads right to Hitler.
Whats most important is that people who need help get it from other caring people and that they are protected from perverts and such. I personally havn't seen two retarded people walking in wal-mart with a 2 year old kid. Maybe it isn't an issue that needs addressed or controlled. If someone can't take care of themselves the only way this would be an issue is if they were taken advantage of or helped to be connected with another retarded person anyway. Anyone capable of taking care of themselves has their own responsibility and shouldn't have special laws against them.

hey can ya just try to change the retarded bit and put mentally/physically challenged or sumthing

[SolidLuigi]

I think it is important to not make any laws against this. It would open the door to too many other things. What is retarded, what about people who are born with one arm, what about stupid people, what about Jews, It just leads right to Hitler.
Whats most important is that people who need help get it from other caring people and that they are protected from perverts and such. I personally havn't seen two retarded people walking in wal-mart with a 2 year old kid. Maybe it isn't an issue that needs addressed or controlled. If someone can't take care of themselves the only way this would be an issue is if they were taken advantage of or helped to be connected with another retarded person anyway. Anyone capable of taking care of themselves has their own responsibility and shouldn't have special laws against them.

hey can ya just try to change the retarded bit and put mentally/physically challenged or sumthing

I don't think he meant it in a hurtful way brooksieb. He makes a good point, don't miss it just because he used a non-PC word.

[Snowpepsi]

I think it is important to not make any laws against this. It would open the door to too many other things. What is retarded, what about people who are born with one arm, what about stupid people, what about Jews, It just leads right to Hitler.
Whats most important is that people who need help get it from other caring people and that they are protected from perverts and such. I personally havn't seen two retarded people walking in wal-mart with a 2 year old kid. Maybe it isn't an issue that needs addressed or controlled. If someone can't take care of themselves the only way this would be an issue is if they were taken advantage of or helped to be connected with another retarded person anyway. Anyone capable of taking care of themselves has their own responsibility and shouldn't have special laws against them.

hey can ya just try to change the retarded bit and put mentally/physically challenged or sumthing

I don't think he meant it in a hurtful way brooksieb. He makes a good point, don't miss it just because he used a non-PC word.

Actually, retarded is the medical term, here in the states anyway. It means: developing at a slower rate, or not at all. Mentally Retarded, Physically Retarded. We are the ones who abuse it. Haven't you ever called a totally normal person," Hey, retard."

[suggs]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH.

YES OF COURSE.
How can you stop people doing what they want to do.
I don't give a f*ck whether they've got 2 heads, 2 arms and one ball bag-if they want to have kids, then NO ONE can stop them.

[HayesA]

Why the hell SHOULDN'T they? Seriously. They're really no different from you and I. Yes, they may be "disabled" in some way, but they're still human. If we stop disabled people from having children, you will have to stop ALL people from having children.

[Neoteny]

We're all mutants, after all.

[Mjinga]

If we stop disabled people from having children, you will have to stop ALL people from having children.

What a fantastic idea! I support the stoppage of all spawning 100% of the way!

[Colossus]

My dad's retarded.

[Dekloren]

How the f*ck do you even come up with such a question?

Who the f*ck is anyone to say who can, and can't have kids?

Other than the Queen, of course.

*Cough* Bitch killed Diana *Cough*

[Kaplowitz]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH.

YES OF COURSE.
How can you stop people doing what they want to do.
I don't give a f*ck whether they've got 2 heads, 2 arms and one ball bag-if they want to have kids, then NO ONE can stop them.

Um, i have 2 heads, 2 arms, and 2 balls.....


(oh...that kind of head )

[Guiscard]

*Cough* Bitch killed Diana *Cough*

Jesus H Christ... Haven't you got enough of your ownconspiracies to be going on with?

[dinobot]

You can't even spell correctly when you have enough space to do so.

I like your avatar, Brian's the only webcomic artist who does a half decent job.

Also, not many people should actually be allowed to have kids. There's already an overpopulation problem and most parents do a shitty job whether they're retarded or not. Who the f*ck really wants kids anyways?

[HayesA]

If we stop disabled people from having children, you will have to stop ALL people from having children.

What a fantastic idea! I support the stoppage of all spawning 100% of the way!

Yeah I know. Or at least limit people from spawning off spring. But it ain't gonna happen, so we can stop dreaming.

[Dekloren]

'Diana death-crash mirrored MI6 plot to assassinate top Balkan leader', admits former spy

Daily Mail
Wednesday, February 13, 2008

A former spy told the Diana inquest today he believed the Princess could have been murdered by MI6 officers.

Sacked secret agent Richard Tomlinson said he realised there could have been a conspiracy to assassinate Diana after seeing a documentary alleging there was a flash as her car entered a Paris tunnel.

The ex-MI6 officer said that after watching the film he had remembered an MI6 training session in which he was shown how a strobe gun could be used to kill targets.


He also spoke about MI6 plans to assassinate a top Balkan leader in a way that was almost identical to Diana's fatal crash.

Speaking via videolink, Mr Tomlinson, understood to be in Marseille, spoke about a secret agent named only as "A" who had drawn up the Balkan plan.

The court heard that Mr Tomlinson, who was recruited by MI6 in 1991 after studying at Cambridge, told a Scotland Yard team investigating Diana's death: "MI6 do have a capacity to stage accidents whether by helicopter, aeroplane or car and also that the strobe light was shown to us by the SBS at Poole during our training."

He explained that drunk driver Henri Paul would have been the "first choice" for MI6 to recruit and that one of the paparazzi following the princess may also have been in the pay of the service.

Mr Paul died in the Paris crash that killed the princess and her lover Dodi Fayed on 31 August 1997.

Mr Tomlinson, who was jailed for a year in 1997 for breaking the Official Secrets Act, said he became aware of a possible assassination bid in mid-1998.

He said: "I happened to see a thing on TV about it and that made me wonder whether something that I had seen within MI6 when I was working there might have been relevant."

He told the inquest that a colleague, referred to as "A", had shown him a document proposing the assassination of Serbian president Slobodan Milosevic.

Mr Tomlinson claimed in his book The Big Breach - published after his dismissal from the service - that the options outlined included staging a crash in a tunnel involving a blinding flash of light from a strobe gun while Mr Milosevic was at a peace conference in Geneva, the court heard

Lalalalalala

[darvlay]

Anyone capable of taking care of themselves has their own responsibility and shouldn't have special laws against them.

[Devils Advocate]

There's the rub.

If a person with a mental handicap cannot take care of themselves or requires special attention to do so, then they should not be allowed to have children of their own based on the fact that they would not be able to raise them in a fit manner.

Same goes for a drug addict or street person who ends up forgoing the back alley abortion in favour of having a child. That child should be taken away from them if they are unfit to raise it themselves.

[/Devil's Advocate]

[Dekloren]

I Am Sam, anyone?

[anibus]

A better question would be.

Should stupid people ( and by saying stupid, I am NOT referring to the mentally challenged) be allowed to breed.

We all know these people, the kind that have 5 kids by 5 different daddys and pay no attention to any of them or give them the love or upbringing that they need.

That should be the real question.

There is a song that states, only stupid people are breeding. They have no idea how right they are.

[Dekloren]

Fucking eugeniscist.

Edit, you kind of do have a point.

But...You're gonna start charging crack whores for having kids?

[btownmeggy]

Anyone capable of taking care of themselves has their own responsibility and shouldn't have special laws against them.

[Devils Advocate]

There's the rub.

If a person with a mental handicap cannot take care of themselves or requires special attention to do so, then they should not be allowed to have children of their own based on the fact that they would not be able to raise them in a fit manner.

Same goes for a drug addict or street person who ends up forgoing the back alley abortion in favour of having a child. That child should be taken away from them if they are unfit to raise it themselves.

[/Devil's Advocate]

So you take away children that are being raised in a manner that is visibly and recognizably dangerous to their well-being. I mean, even that is a difficult thing to propose, because what's dangerous? Who decides? I'm not sure. In the US, the family court policy is "maintain natural family units except in the most extreme situations". It's not perfect, but its minimalism has attractions and benefits... as well as drawbacks. No family is perfect, according to my ephemeral idea of the perfect family anyway, and the government shouldn't put itself in a position of tearing every imperfect family apart. However, it means that a lot of children grow up in unhealthy, unhappy, uncivicallyminded environments.

[Gypsys Kiss]

The only question is 'can they care for any child that they have'. If they can care for a child then yes they should be allowed if they want to. If they cant then no they shouldnt. A blanket ban would be drakonian in the extreme.

Brooksie, would you stop your relative having kids because of their disability?