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Was 9/11 An Inside Job?

 
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Postby Dekloren on Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:20 pm

Because a couple tiny carbon fires, which max temp. is about 700 degrees melts steel that has a melting point of 1500 degrees makes a 47 steel structure collapse symmetrically, into it's own basement.

Also, the fires were NOT evenly spready throughout the building, so it is impossible for it to come down at near freefall speed symmetrically, into its own footprint. Also, the only way for that building to collapse the way it did, is if all joints, support beams, all fail simultaneously. How is it possible to accomplish that??? A couple random fires?? lol.

Again, you post theories, and not proof or facts.
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All you do is copy paste bullshit from the government funded NIST with National Security interests.


So, the fire fighters saying there were pools of molten metal down there, like lava, you are calling them liars?

How do you refute what the people who were that have gone on record, say? Laff.


* An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris-induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event) which supported a large-span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet;

So, according to NIST, one damaged critical column makes the building fall symmetrically?

Geomerty, anyone??

Again, when you explain how building 7 collapsed, with evidence, you win.
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Postby comic boy on Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:27 pm

Did they add something to the water in Ottawa recently ?
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Postby Dekloren on Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:29 pm

We've been fluorinated for a while.

Any evidence??

Anything??

Link???


Proof??

Still looking??

lol.
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Postby Iliad on Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:34 pm

Dekloren wrote:Because a couple tiny carbon fires, which max temp. is about 700 degrees melts steel that has a melting point of 1500 degrees makes a 47 steel structure collapse symmetrically, into it's own basement.

Also, the fires were NOT evenly spready throughout the building, so it is impossible for it to come down at near freefall speed symmetrically, into its own footprint. Also, the only way for that building to collapse the way it did, is if all joints, support beams, all fail simultaneously. How is it possible to accomplish that??? A couple random fires?? lol.

Again, you post theories, and not proof or facts.
(My turn for fun)
All you do is copy paste bullshit from the government funded NIST with National Security interests.


So, the fire fighters saying there were pools of molten metal down there, like lava, you are calling them liars?

How do you refute what the people who were that have gone on record, say? Laff.


* An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris-induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event) which supported a large-span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet;

So, according to NIST, one damaged critical column makes the building fall symmetrically?

Geomerty, anyone??

So I copy paste bullshit from the NIST(heaps and heaps of experts) but you copy paste from reliable and non-biased sites eh? :wink:

I did not post theories. I posted facts which many many experts tested and proved. You're the one with the theories here.

And again: WTF? So I have to repeat myself: Why did the government destroy the tower: IT is absolutely pointless


1: The steel didn't melt. But at high temperatures it loses it's strength and becomes soft.

The debris and the fires damaged the column which was supporting 2,000 feet. If you managed to read further on(I doubt it the truth always makes you confused you would've seen this)

Triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7 that were much thicker and more heavily reinforced than the rest of the floors) resulted in a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.
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Postby Iliad on Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:36 pm

Dekloren wrote:We've been fluorinated for a while.

Any evidence??

Anything??

Link???


Proof??

Still looking??

lol.
how about the fact the terrorists were from Al-Quaeda?
Or that he claimed the responsibility here:http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html
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Postby Iliad on Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:38 pm

Oh and I love how you keep on ignoring most of my arguments:
answer this: Why would the goverment blow up the WTC7 if they did?
If the WTC1 and WTC2 were destroyed by controlled demolitions why did it take 56 minutes for WTC1 and 102 minutes for WTC2?
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Postby Iliad on Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:40 pm

OH and goodbye I have a better use for my time. Like count the number of leaves on a tree
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Postby Frigidus on Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:42 pm

Dekloren wrote:Because a couple tiny carbon fires, which max temp. is about 700 degrees melts steel that has a melting point of 1500 degrees makes a 47 steel structure collapse symmetrically, into it's own basement.

Also, the fires were NOT evenly spready throughout the building, so it is impossible for it to come down at near freefall speed symmetrically, into its own footprint. Also, the only way for that building to collapse the way it did, is if all joints, support beams, all fail simultaneously. How is it possible to accomplish that??? A couple random fires?? lol.


Note how long it took for the initial structural damage to take down the building. One, local, failure to a key support can lead to unbearable amounts of stress to the supports located immediately nearby and weaken them. This weakening slowly spreads as more and more of the load is put onto other parts of the building, resulting in an eventual collapse. As for the symmetrical part, I'm not an engineer. I don't know which way a building might collapse. I highly doubt, though, that it would fall over like a tree or something.

Dekloren wrote:Again, you post theories, and not proof or facts.
(My turn for fun)
All you do is copy paste bullshit from the government funded NIST with National Security interests.


Your theories don't prove anything either. They combine a poor understanding of physics with a social impossibility.

Dekloren wrote:So, the fire fighters saying there were pools of molten metal down there, like lava, you are calling them liars?

How do you refute what the people who were that have gone on record, say? Laff.


Wow...again...yes, there was something molten. It was aluminum mixed with debris. Are you suggesting fire fighters can tell the difference between that and steel?

Now that that's out of the way, explain why the government would destroy the building. Without motive your theory makes no sense.
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Postby Dekloren on Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:58 pm

http://youtube.com/watch?v=x0FVeqCX6z8


http://www.september11news.com/OsamaBinLaden.htm


Yup....That's definately bin Laden.

Fabricate more plz.


Iliad wrote:how about the fact the terrorists were from Al-Quaeda?


Link???
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Postby Iliad on Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:05 am

If you have that attituede it's pointless to talk to you. Osama can show a million videos in which he claims responsibility but you will still not believe. So give the bullshit up
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Postby Dekloren on Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:07 am

Osama is dead.

AlQaeda offered to hand over bin Laden once the US provided evidence. I tried to find the video for that, but it's in Loose Change Final Cut, available for free viwing here, http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid= ... &plindex=5 .

PROVIDE THE VIDEO IN WHICH HE CLAIMS RESPONSIBILTY.
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Postby Iliad on Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:08 am

Dekloren wrote:Osama is dead.

AlQaeda offered to hand over bin Laden once the US provided evidence. I tried to find the video for that, but it's in Loose Change Final Cut, available for free viwing here, http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid= ... &plindex=5 .

PROVIDE THE VIDEO IN WHICH HE CLAIMS RESPONSIBILTY.
how about we already have you just dismissed it and it is pointless to show more because you will dismiss them
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Postby Dekloren on Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:10 am

There was no video on that link.

Thanks.

Provide the video.
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Postby Dekloren on Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:14 am

I'll make a nice post for you guys when I feel like it.

1 poster posting with 3 or 4 people...This has turned into a mess.
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Postby Iliad on Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:16 am

It's 2 actually and maybe if your theories weren't as whacky and weird you would have people supporting you
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Postby luns101 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:08 am

Dekloren wrote:Link??

Where's the proof?


You're full of baloney

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Al Qaeda called it "The Manhattan Raid". Look!!...it's even got the Al Qaeda symbol from their media wing on it - Al-Sahab. Come on, let's hear how the Neo-Cons morphed or edited the footage. :lol:

Dekloren wrote:Osama actually said he didn't do it and applauds the people who did.


Tuesday, May 23, 2006:

Osama Bin Laden, speaking about Zacarias Moussaoui said, "He had no connection at all with Sept. 11. I am the one in charge of the 19 brothers and I never assigned brother Zacarias to be with them in that mission. Our brothers in Guantanamo ... have no connection whatsoever to the events of Sept. 11." Then later, "All the prisoners to date have no connection to the Sept. 11 events or knew anything about them, except for two of the brothers

Dekloren wrote:Thanks buddy.


No problem. Here's some more people that were "in" on the conspiracy.

Louai al-Sakka

and our good friend...

20th hijacker labeled by Al Qaeda itself killed in raid by Saudi forces. So whether or not you believe the 20th hijacker was Fawaz al-Nashmi or Mohammed al-Qahtani, both the U.S. govt & Al Qaeda admit that the 9/11 attacks were performed by Al Qaeda.
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Postby DaGip on Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:14 am

Luns, I particularly like the Al-Sahab calling that one guy Brother Azzam the American...

That guy aint' American! He's a fucking traitor! Speaking about the brothers who took part on the raids in Amerca...

I want to shoot that guy in the head!

Do you think that guy is still in the USA...doubt it. They should have never labled him as American!
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Postby Snorri1234 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:25 am

Iz Man wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote: ...... gold is an useless metal..

Actually, gold happens to be one of the best conductors.


Ok, almost useless. But somehow I doubt Dekloren was thinking about that.
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Postby Guiscard on Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:08 am

Iz Man wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote: ...... gold is an useless metal..

Actually, gold happens to be one of the best conductors.


All good jack leads, headphones etc. will be gold plated.
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Postby muy_thaiguy on Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:11 am

Guiscard wrote:
Iz Man wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote: ...... gold is an useless metal..

Actually, gold happens to be one of the best conductors.


All good jack leads, headphones etc. will be gold plated.
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Postby Dancing Mustard on Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:23 am

muy_thaiguy wrote:You'll be pimpin' without even realizing it.

That is, essentially, the essence of pimpin'.

Anybody who's trying to be pimp is just a faker. It's either natural, or not at all. Word.
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Postby muy_thaiguy on Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:52 am

Dancing Mustard wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:You'll be pimpin' without even realizing it.

That is, essentially, the essence of pimpin'.

Anybody who's trying to be pimp is just a faker. It's either natural, or not at all. Word.
Most realize it, when they weren't trying to in the first place. :roll:
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Postby Dekloren on Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:49 pm

Don't worry Luns, I'll have a post for you :)
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Postby luns101 on Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:05 am

Dekloren wrote:Don't worry Luns, I'll have a post for you :)


I don't doubt it. I'm sure it will be full of "experts" who will say that the film was edited.

In other news...The Holocaust never happened.
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Postby Dekloren on Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:34 am

Well don't make me post on that first...

You know about the fat fake bin Laden video that was fabricated. Look at them videos, THAT's bin Laden. Not this green fat f*ck.

The Middle East genocide didn't either......
But who cares about rag heads??

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