Merged 9/11 Threads

[Frigidus]

Paul wants to get rid of the inflation tax by reinstating the gold standard.

Giving money value again!

Do you have any idea how terrible that would be for the world economy? Random shit that we do with our money might not have an effect on anyone if we were, say, Nigeria, but if the US switched back to gold standard the world economy would probably go into a depression. And for what? Getting rid of inflation? We'd be in even bigger trouble. The reason nobody ever mentioned this idea before Paul is that it isn't sound. One of the big reasons I think the guy is either confused or underqualified.

Where you can just go off and print how ever many dollars you want, destroying supply-demand, a common concept I assume most of you are aware of, while the privately owned, biggest corporation in the world charges interest (What your income tax pays) on money that the government can print itself, at no cost.

Simple, yet he's the only candidate that stands for change.

Oh, so you're worried about deflation. Destroying supply and demand? That's an entirely unrelated concept that has to deal with goods, not money. Also, privately owned corporations can charge whatever they want. They're private. Whether they're total assholes or not their level of interest can't be controlled by the government.

[Frigidus]

http://www.911proof.com/NIST.pdf

Here's the letters sent to the families inquiring about their lies.

This is NIST refuting their claims. Did you actually read it? They made 1 change, a removal of one sentence. That's hardly them admitting they lied.

[Snorri1234]

Mercury in your vaccines.

[Neoteny]

Check your tuna.

[Dekloren]

Thiomersal (INN) (C9H9HgNaO2S), formerly and still commonly known in the United States as thimerosal, is an organomercury compound (approximately 49% mercury by weight) used as an antiseptic and antifungal agent.

Next time you go get a flu shot, ask to the see ingredients.

If you see Thiomersal......IT'S MERCURY.

Just here to watch out for my brothers and sisters.

Yeah...They continue to lie in that letter. Saying first persons ddidn't hear blasts in the lobby and/or under it.

There are so many eyetnisses and firefighters claiming this.

http://bacchus.gnn.tv/articles/3271/9_1 ... _Testimony

Check it out yourself.

[Dekloren]

Any evidence linking AlQaeda to 9/11 yet??

Anything??

Not 1 shred??

You people need help. Alot of it.

[Frigidus]

Any evidence linking AlQaeda to 9/11 yet??

Anything??

Not 1 shred??

You people need help. Alot of it.

Evidence linking 9/11 to the government? Maybe it wasn't AlQaeda, frankly I haven't researched that. But we have refuted your claims that it was the government. Hope that helps.

[Frigidus]

Yeah...They continue to lie in that letter. Saying first persons ddidn't hear blasts in the lobby and/or under it.

There are so many eyetnisses and firefighters claiming this.

http://bacchus.gnn.tv/articles/3271/9_1 ... _Testimony

Check it out yourself.

So, they heard loud crashing sounds as the building collapsed? No. Way. So they were composed enough to distinguish this crash from an explosion despite having never heard a skyscraper collapse before? Aside from this large leap of faith, the human mind is fallible. Memories constantly change. Often events are placed there after the fact, especially if you ask them a question like "Did you hear explosives go off when the building went down?" As was mentioned earlier, some people didn't even remember seeing the plane hit.

[Neutrino]

Question: why? Why put Mercury in vaccines? Because it's a good anti-fungal agent? Probably. If the government wanted to kill everyone, there are easier ways to do it. Same with the Fluoride. If it's so horrendously lethal, why hasn't it killed anyone yet? Why aren't I showing symptoms of my years of slow Fluoride poisioning?

So many questions that will forever remain unanswered because you believe in the TRUTH and don't need to justify yourself to us mere mortals...

[Caleb the Cruel]

In the rubble of the Towers, and building 7 were pools of molten metal for weeks, even months after the demolition. If the fires were hot enough to melt the steel, where did all the heat come from??? lol.

Show me the pools of molten metal!

[Iliad]

Thiomersal (INN) (C9H9HgNaO2S), formerly and still commonly known in the United States as thimerosal, is an organomercury compound (approximately 49% mercury by weight) used as an antiseptic and antifungal agent.

Next time you go get a flu shot, ask to the see ingredients.

If you see Thiomersal......IT'S MERCURY.

Just here to watch out for my brothers and sisters.

Yeah...They continue to lie in that letter. Saying first persons ddidn't hear blasts in the lobby and/or under it.

There are so many eyetnisses and firefighters claiming this.

http://bacchus.gnn.tv/articles/3271/9_1 ... _Testimony

Check it out yourself.

Told you he's doing the ole strategy of conspiracy theories

Make ridicilious claim(NIST said their stuff was bullshit)-get refuted
Change topic and make another ridicilious claim-get refuted

I've already talked about this dek: why is the majority of the eyewitnesses wrong while the few eyewitnesses who thought who heard something are right?

You've alread said that I've already refuted that.

OH and so NIST said that their conclusions were bullshit but they continued to lie in that letter so it's a double negative so they are correct? Right?

[luns101]

Any evidence linking AlQaeda to 9/11 yet??

you've got to be kidding me

[Iz Man]

...... gold is an useless metal..

Actually, gold happens to be one of the best conductors.

[Neoteny]

It's particularly useful for electron microscopy.

[Frigidus]

OH and so NIST said that their conclusions were bullshit but they continued to lie in that letter so it's a double negative so they are correct? Right?

NIST actually didn't say they were wrong. It was a response to a letter that was sent to them pointing out their flaws. They rebutted the majority of it, but conceded the sender the removal of one sentence in their 10000 page report.

[Dekloren]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CcRs1fv8i3I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LPbXaZAKNI&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhiEAn6R ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNLy6hQQ ... re=related

Video evidence of explosions going off.

There's proof. No need for eyewitnesses, although William Rodriguez's testimony is very significant!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HR20Zz8ia4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEoKhyXKWxQ

Molten metal

Enjoy!

lol...Keep injecting yourself with mercury. Do it proudly. You deserve it!


http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/mercury/index.html
U.S. Department of Labor
Occupational Safety & Health Administration

Mercury is naturally occurring and exists in several forms. High mercury exposure results in permanent nervous system and kidney damage

Don't you just love autism?? Exposure in mines...f*ck that...INJECT IT!!!


NIST is government funded and only works in the interest of "Homeland Security"
Where is their building 7 report?
Laff.

[Dekloren]

Any evidence linking AlQaeda to 9/11 yet??

you've got to be kidding me

Have any???

Not 1 shred has been produced in this 5 page thread asking for evidence linking them to it.

Tons.

Check out Bush binLadens connections

Bin Laden funded Bush first oil company
Building 7. How did it collapse?

When you can explain that to me, you win!

[Iliad]

OH and so NIST said that their conclusions were bullshit but they continued to lie in that letter so it's a double negative so they are correct? Right?

NIST actually didn't say they were wrong. It was a response to a letter that was sent to them pointing out their flaws. They rebutted the majority of it, but conceded the sender the removal of one sentence in their 10000 page report.

Exactly. But Dekloren here is saying their admitted it was wrong. Then someone said that only one sentence was removed Dek said that they continued to lie. So I'm just pointing out yet another hole in his argument

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CcRs1fv8i3I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LPbXaZAKNI&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhiEAn6R ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNLy6hQQ ... re=related

Video evidence of explosions going off.

There's proof. No need for eyewitnesses, although William Rodriguez's testimony is very significant.

lol...Keep injecting yourself with mercury. Do it proudly. You deserve it!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HR20Zz8ia4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEoKhyXKWxQ

Molten metal

Enjoy!

NIST is government funded and only works in the interest of "Homeland Security"
Where is their building 7 report?
Laff.

As I'm going to say for the 10th time to you: THE FUCKING MOLTEN METAL WAS A FUCKING ALLUMINIUM ALLOY!!!

Sorry for that there's a higher chance he will actually read that now.

And yeah yeah alluminium is silver but the tables, computers etc added to it and so it became yellow. As I already said. And I know what you're going to say: but this scientist did an experiment and it didn't happen: NIST has heaps of scientists why would you believe 1 but not believe a hundred? Same goes to eyewtiness

Those videos are pathetic. Absolutely contextless you can't even see the towers in either of them. f*ck you're gullible some person just probably made a plastic bottle explode. A couple of firefighters you can't even see where no-one even says it's on 9/11 there is absolutely no context. I could do that too, get a few friends together lend a few firefighter costumes and set a pop sound or something. And as I watched the videos I noticed why the f*ck were they filming that? It doesn't seem pure coincedence that after a couple of seconds there is an explosion and the firefighter says in a clear voice: Yes an explosion I know.


Check mate

[luns101]

Have any???

Not 1 shred has been produced in this 5 page thread asking for evidence linking them to it.

Yeah, I've got some. How many times does Osama Bin Laden have to actually take credit for the attacks himself before you accept that as fact?

...or are you just going to launch into another wave of links to people who claim his video tapes are altered or morphed?

PrisonPlanet or Popular Mechanics...it's not a tough choice as to who to accept as a viable source of information.

[Iliad]

Oh and I want to know your stance: stop avoiding the question:
#1 You reckon it was controlled demolition?
#2 Did the planes actually hit the towers in your opinion?
#3If they did why don't you think they did any damage?
#4If they didn't what happened to them?

[Dekloren]

I know, the evidence is hard to take in.

Especially when it's on mainstream media reporting it.
It's okay...Breathe.....Breathe....

Yes, The towers and building 7 were controlled demolitions.
Yes, I believe planes hit the towers, not building 7, of course.

Explain how, why building 7 collapsed into it's own footprint, while BBC reported it collapsed 23 minutes before it did and you can see it in the background as she's reporting it.

Also, don't forget building 7 was a 47 story steel skyscraper, 300 feet away from the towers, and no plane hit it.

Also,
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidenc ... c3456.html
Look at buildings 3,4,5, and 6. These 4 buildings were MUCH MUCH smaller than 7, and MUCH MUCH closer. Do you see that there are still structures there?

What happened to building 7?

When you explain this, you win.

[Dekloren]

Link??

Where's the proof?

Osama actually said he didn't do it and applauds the people who did.

Thanks buddy.

[Iliad]

I know, the evidence is hard to take in.

Especially when it's on mainstream media reporting it.
It's okay...Breathe.....Breathe....

Yes, The towers and building 7 were controlled demolitions.
Yes, I believe planes hit the towers, not building 7, of course.

Explain how, why building 7 collapsed into it's own footprint, while BBC reported it collapsed 23 minutes before it did and you can see it in the background as she's reporting it.

Also, don't forget building 7 was a 47 story steel skyscraper, 300 feet away from the towers, and no plane hit it.

Also,
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidenc ... c3456.html
Look at buildings 3,4,5, and 6. These 4 buildings were MUCH MUCH smaller than 7, and MUCH MUCH closer. Do you see that there are still structures there?

What happened to building 7?

When you explain this, you win.

Don't you fucking love that? You made some claims I refuted them and do you try to refute? NOOO!!! You go on the next thing. Seriously douche stop hopping. If you say for instance what about the molten steel after the person refutes that you shouldn't go on something else because that is pointless and proves you have no evidence and you are just wasting our time. You have never debated. You claimed something and we refuted it instead of trying to refute you go on the next one.


I absolutely killed your pathetic argument and you just make another weak argument.

1st: Your building 7 argument is weak. It doesn't actually prove anything. So the goverment lied to us and demolished the towers but they wanted to confuse people and also demolish another tower!!! Because that makes sense!

* An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris-induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event) which supported a large-span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet;

* Vertical progression of the initial local failure occurred up to the east penthouse, and as the large floor bays became unable to redistribute the loads, it brought down the interior structure below the east penthouse; and

* Triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7 that were much thicker and more heavily reinforced than the rest of the floors) resulted in a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.

So you believe that something like this:

won't do anything to a building if it crashes. No of course it was the government!

If the planes hit and the evil government tried to destroy the towers will a demolition Then Why did it take 56 minutes for WTC1 and 102 minutes for WTC2?


And if the evil government did do it then why hasn't anyone out of the 1000s of people come out and say: I did this we set explosives in the tower?

Not even an anonimous post on the internet. Not a note left lying somewhere nothing.

If you do not respond to this argument I am going. Because if you just hop to another point then this is pointless as I have proven that you have no evidence

[Frigidus]

The current NIST working collapse hypothesis for WTC 7 is described in the June 2004 Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (Volume 1, page 17, as well as Appendix L), as follows:

* An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris-induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event) which supported a large-span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet;

* Vertical progression of the initial local failure occurred up to the east penthouse, and as the large floor bays became unable to redistribute the loads, it brought down the interior structure below the east penthouse; and

* Triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7 that were much thicker and more heavily reinforced than the rest of the floors) resulted in a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.

This is much more likely than your theory:

1. The govt blows up WTC 7

2. ???

3. Profit

Seriously, why would the government blow it up? I heard something about files that they wanted to get rid of earlier in the thread, is that why? If so, why not just send some people in to get them or destroy them during the confusion? It would have been much easier, wouldn't have required them to rig up explosives without anyone noticing weeks in advance, and wouldn't have raised a single eyebrow. How can you argue that the govt, after pulling off the biggest "terrorist" attack in history, is stupid enough to blow their cover with WTC 7?

[Iliad]

The current NIST working collapse hypothesis for WTC 7 is described in the June 2004 Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (Volume 1, page 17, as well as Appendix L), as follows:

* An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris-induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event) which supported a large-span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet;

* Vertical progression of the initial local failure occurred up to the east penthouse, and as the large floor bays became unable to redistribute the loads, it brought down the interior structure below the east penthouse; and

* Triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7 that were much thicker and more heavily reinforced than the rest of the floors) resulted in a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.

This is much more likely than your theory:

1. The govt blows up WTC 7

2. ???

3. Profit

Seriously, why would the government blow it up? I heard something about files that they wanted to get rid of earlier in the thread, is that why? If so, why not just send some people in to get them or destroy them during the confusion? It would have been much easier, wouldn't have required them to rig up explosives without anyone noticing weeks in advance, and wouldn't have raised a single eyebrow. How can you argue that the govt, after pulling off the biggest "terrorist" attack in history, is stupid enough to blow their cover with WTC 7?

Dek if you are going to debate please answer mine first and then answer frigidus. Cause otherwise you're not debating or showing proof you're giving us false evidence which we refute and then you just give us more false evidence which we refute