Religion Doesn't Make Sense

by **Dancing Mustard** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:40 am

How can one religion claim to be right when there are other competing religions that claim to be correct? Surely Christians must be wrong or Muslims must be wrong? How can either side prove the other is talking crap.

If they can't then surely religion is fake?

by **Neoteny** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:47 am

Dancing Mustard wrote:How can one religion claim to be right when there are other competing religions that claim to be correct? Surely Christians must be wrong or Muslims must be wrong? How can either side prove the other is talking crap.

If they can't then surely religion is fake?

They are all right in their own way? I'm not sure the answer to this question...

by **mr. incrediball** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:51 am

right, just to prove you wrong dm, i will follow every religion it is possible to follow (except atheism, which kinda defeats the purpose) for a month.

praise jesus, buddha, mohammed and hercules!

also, if anyone knows of any decent mosques/synagogues in the somerset area, could you let me know before Friday/Saturday?

by **Snorri1234** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:09 am

Dancing Mustard wrote:How can one religion claim to be right when there are other competing religions that claim to be correct? Surely Christians must be wrong or Muslims must be wrong? How can either side prove the other is talking crap.

If they can't then surely religion is fake?

It's a conspiracy.

by **Dariune** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:38 am

Religion is based on belief. As strongly as someone claims their religion is correct it can never be anything more than opinion and belief. Even if lots of people believe the same thing.

So i guess im agreeing, some or all of the religions are wrong. Having said that it may just be that some of the religions are slightly misguided and in fact there is a god who called himself Alah to some and God to others and Zues to others. Perhaps they all partly correct. Who knows.

Personally i dont believe in any of the aforemention organised religions.

by **freezie** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:34 pm

mr. incrediball wrote:praise jesus, buddha, mohammed and hercules!

Jesus is not a God

Having said that..I am not a beleiver.

OK, now I can talk. We can't say if they are right or wrong, in any cases, at least for me, the proofs are not there. They could all be right, in a certain way.

Maybe they ARE preaching the same God, under a different name.

..As for the way of doing it. Eh, we can't say every religions are 100% correct on the matter. But what DM said is not actually true. At least, not yet.

by **Guiscard** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:32 pm

freezie wrote:Jesus is not a God

Yes he is.

by **Anarkistsdream** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:39 pm

Guiscard wrote:
freezie wrote:Jesus is not a God

Yes he is.

Eh, I'll give him demigod... But not god...

by **spurgistan** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:41 pm

Guiscard wrote:
freezie wrote:Jesus is not a God

Yes he is.

Out of the four people praised, Jesus is one of the two who people consider a god. Mohammed is not, he is the chief prophet of Islam but no mention is made of his sanctity by him or any intelligent Muslim.. Buddha isn't really a god in his own right as per the Book religions, he "merely" gained the highest level of enlightenment, which can be attained by humans and therefore isn't really a "God" in the manner of the book religions. Hercules is Kevin Sorbo and therefore rocks.

by **Guiscard** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:43 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
freezie wrote:Jesus is not a God

Yes he is.

Eh, I'll give him demigod... But not god...

Nope. He's been God since Nicea in 325.

by **autoload** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:44 pm

spurgistan wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
freezie wrote:Jesus is not a God

Yes he is.

Out of the four people praised, Jesus is one of the two who people consider a god. Mohammed is not, he is the chief prophet of Islam but no mention is made of his sanctity by him or any intelligent Muslim.. Buddha isn't really a god in his own right as per the Book religions, he "merely" gained the highest level of enlightenment, which can be attained by humans and therefore isn't really a "God" in the manner of the book religions. Hercules is Kevin Sorbo and therefore rocks.

I consider this to be the best post yet in this thread.

by **Anarkistsdream** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:45 pm

autoload wrote:
spurgistan wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
freezie wrote:Jesus is not a God

Yes he is.

Out of the four people praised, Jesus is one of the two who people consider a god. Mohammed is not, he is the chief prophet of Islam but no mention is made of his sanctity by him or any intelligent Muslim.. Buddha isn't really a god in his own right as per the Book religions, he "merely" gained the highest level of enlightenment, which can be attained by humans and therefore isn't really a "God" in the manner of the book religions. Hercules is Kevin Sorbo and therefore rocks.

I consider this to be the best post yet in this thread.

You just have a crush on Sorbo...

:wink:

by **spurgistan** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:46 pm

Guiscard wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
freezie wrote:Jesus is not a God

Yes he is.

Eh, I'll give him demigod... But not god...

Nope. He's been God since Nicea in 325.

You mean since he was made incarnate in the womb of the Virgin Mary.

by **Colossus** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:49 pm

I think they are all right and wrong. I think that all religions achieve what they intend by giving humans a framework through which to understand their world and feel secure and have an approach to how they should go about their lives. As far as being 'right' with respect to the definition of God, I think they are all wrong. If there is an infinite God, systematizing Him limits Him. Limiting the unlimited becomes necessarily wrong. 'Godel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid' is a pretty good book that talks about systems, and basically it demonstrates that no system can be fully described without reference from outside the system. So, the only real definition of God is undefined. In that sense, I think all religions are wrong.

by **Guiscard** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:50 pm

spurgistan wrote:You mean since he was made incarnate in the womb of the Virgin Mary.

Oh, if we're going back before official' God-dom then he was ever thus. Unless you're a proponent of the Arian heresy Jesus existed eternally. 'And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds (æons), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father'.

by **Anarkistsdream** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:50 pm

Colossus wrote:I think they are all right and wrong. I think that all religions achieve what they intend by giving humans a framework through which to understand their world and feel secure and have an approach to how they should go about their lives. As far as being 'right' with respect to the definition of God, I think they are all wrong. If there is an infinite God, systematizing Him limits Him. Limiting the unlimited becomes necessarily wrong. 'Godel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid' is a pretty good book that talks about systems, and basically it demonstrates that no system can be fully described without reference from outside the system. So, the only real definition of God is undefined. In that sense, I think all religions are wrong.

by **mr. incrediball** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:52 pm

freezie wrote:
mr. incrediball wrote:praise jesus, buddha, mohammed and hercules!

Jesus is not a God

neither is buddha, mohammed or hercules :roll:

by **freezie** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:02 pm

mr. incrediball wrote:
freezie wrote:
mr. incrediball wrote:praise jesus, buddha, mohammed and hercules!

Jesus is not a God

neither is buddha, mohammed or hercules

I shall refer you to the part where I said I was not a beleiver..

I think that explains why I have no clues of who is a god or not.

If people are saying Jesus is a god...Well, eh, I am not the one who can deny it now.

by **muy_thaiguy** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:05 pm

mr. incrediball wrote:
freezie wrote:
mr. incrediball wrote:praise jesus, buddha, mohammed and hercules!

Jesus is not a God

neither is buddha, mohammed or hercules

If you knew Greek Mythology, you would know that after he died he became the Greek God of Strength. Also, that is the Roman version of the name, the Greek version was to mock Hera mainly with it being Heracles.

by **mr. incrediball** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:11 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:
mr. incrediball wrote:
freezie wrote:
mr. incrediball wrote:praise jesus, buddha, mohammed and hercules!

Jesus is not a God

neither is buddha, mohammed or hercules
If you knew Greek Mythology, you would know that after he died he became the Greek God of Strength. Also, that is the Roman version of the name, the Greek version was to mock Hera mainly with it being Heracles.

que? you learn something new every day.

#-o

always get em confused

by **Snorri1234** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:12 pm

muy_thaiguy wrote:Also, that is the Roman version of the name, the Greek version was to mock Hera mainly with it being Heracles.

Not so much mock her as glorifying her. Kleos is greek for glory or renown.

by **The1exile** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:37 pm

Wasn't Hera like anti Hercules?

by **mr. incrediball** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:39 pm

The1exile wrote:Wasn't Hera like anti Hercules?

hera spent most of hercules' life trying to kill him.

who can blame her? he was her husband's illegitimate son!

(see, this is why ancient greek is so much better than christianity!)

by **Anarkistsdream** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:41 pm

mr. incrediball wrote:
The1exile wrote:Wasn't Hera like anti Hercules?

hera spent most of hercules' life trying to kill him.

who can blame her? he was her husband's illegitimate son!

(see, this is why ancient greek is so much better than christianity!)

He was ONE of her husband's illegitimate children!

Just so happened to be his favorite... But wouldn't he be your favorite too?

by **Snorri1234** on Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:42 pm

The1exile wrote:Wasn't Hera like anti Hercules?

Yes very. It is thanks to her that he became renowned through the country, as she made him do things and stuff like that.

who can blame her? he was her husband's illegitimate son!

But it's a bit strange seeing as all other sons had far easier times. Zeus was quite a ladies-man, whether they liked it or not.

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