will Kosovo/Kosova ever get there independance?

by **brooksieb** on Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:38 am

my friends have been telling me for some time that kosovo will be independent from serbia but after all this time it has never happened, whats happening i looked up about it and it sed the serbian government refuse to make kosovo independent

by **Frigidus** on Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:44 am

brooksieb wrote:my friends have been telling me for some time that kosovo will be independent from serbia but after all this time it has never happened, whats happening i looked up about it and it sed the serbian government refuse to make kosovo independent

Without outside intervention it's pretty unlikely. Heck, we'll probably help keep them down. That way Serbia will "owe" us.

by **brooksieb** on Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:48 am

we tried to intervene in making em independent bout 1999 but they still wont let go ov kosovo but me myself want em to be independent

by **Frigidus** on Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:49 am

brooksieb wrote:we tried to intervene in making em independent bout 1999 but they still wont let go ov kosovo but me myself want em to be independent

Yah, Serbia doesn't have much of a case other than "It would really suck for us if we lost all that land."

by **brooksieb** on Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:50 am

but after we left serbia just took it over agen i think we need to stay there until kosovo has a proper army (but only after we finished our war in afghanistan)

by **ignotus** on Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:06 pm

I don't think Serbia is that strong at the moment. Sanctions, bad economy, political issues (radicals - right wing party is the strongest but they never got more than 50% on the elections so almost all other parties form a coalition).
Now it's again elections in Serbia. This time for president. Nikolić (radical) and Tadić (democrat) are both against independent Kosovo. But if Nikolić wins and Kosovo gets independent then I predict trouble.

Kosovo will became independent no mater what the result of this election would be. Position of Kosovo in former Yugoslavia was difficult. They weren't one of the countries of Yugoslav federation. Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia as countries in this federation all had right to step out of the federation, if they wanted to (by the last constitution of Yugoslavia in 1974). Kosovo had the status of self governing province, but as a part of Serbia. Milošević in 1980's canceled their self governing rights. It's a pretty undeveloped region with almost 90% of non Serbs (Kosovars and big Albanian minority). Serbs captured Kosovo in First Balcan War (1912) so they killed people and tried to make it an integral part of Serbia till recent times. Serbia claims it by historic right, because today's Kosovo is their "old Serbia", land of their medieval kings. It's a question of prestige for Serbia. I think that Kosovars will defend their natural right for independence if Serbia attacks after declaration of independence. They are training their army as we speak. :wink:

Sooooo...

Free Norse and independent Kosovo!

by **suggs** on Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:55 pm

There will be war in the Balkans before 2010.
I reckon.
Good argument from me there

by **ignotus** on Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:12 pm

suggs wrote:There will be war in the Balkans before 2010.
I reckon.
Good argument from me there

I think they are taking volunteers in Kosovan Army as we speak. Come on suggs, you can be Che, I would be Castro. :wink:

by **suggs** on Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:30 pm

ignotus wrote:
suggs wrote:There will be war in the Balkans before 2010.
I reckon.
Good argument from me there

I think they are taking volunteers in Kosovan Army as we speak. Come on suggs, you can be Che, I would be Castro.

*Huff* "Oh, so you end up running the show for a hundred years while i get killed in a couple of years?Huh? Huh?
Well, I wont Castro- i want to be a GP in Suffolk instead boo sucks"

Of course, he didnt really go to Suffolk :wink:

by **brooksieb** on Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:27 pm

so ignotus was there any trouble in croatia when they broke up from the old yugoslavia (im guessing there must be, or atleast sum trouble)

by **suggs** on Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:31 pm

brooksieb wrote:so ignotus was there any trouble in croatia when they broke up from the old yugoslavia (im guessing there must be, or atleast sum trouble)

You having a laugh brooksieb? Or are you, to be fair, quite young and so can't remember the horror of the 1990's in the Balkans, ie pretty much one long war.

by **brooksieb** on Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:43 pm

i know there was like in bosnia i knew there was trouble there and genocides i didnt know how bad it was like i was basically asking him his experiences in what happend there

by **ignotus** on Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:59 pm

brooksieb wrote:so ignotus was there any trouble in croatia when they broke up from the old yugoslavia (im guessing there must be, or atleast sum trouble)

It was bad, but I was just a kid then (I was 8 ), so I don't remember that much. Bosnia took the heavy beating and I think that war crimes there were even worse.