Risk Snobbery

[AAFitz]

Who plays in a particular game has nothing to do with "type"...Its doesnt matter what you say with regards to this.



If you "ONLY" play high ranks...Then you are a Risk SNOB.

Players playing escalating games against other escalating players have much more dignity than you joining cooks and other low ranks and skimming their points in my opinion.

I could join cooks games all day long and skim points too, but i have fun playing experienced players because I have fun doing it.

There is nothing snobby about this. It isnt done to be cool, its because it is fun. This is a game. The harder the challenge, the more the fun. And though points arent a direct correlation of skill, and never will be, on average, you can expect the higher the rank to be more experienced, if not better... ie more challenge... this isnt snobbery

Your claiming to be the robinhood here for cooks, when youre skimming their points in every game you join with them...

When Master Chief set up the Captains Games... You will see his primary motivation was well documented. It was partially because he felt bad for all the less experienced players that more experienced players were taking advantage of. If you dont think someone with 2200 points and 1500 games has a better chance of winning than someone with 200 games and 850 points, youre just deluding yourself. And you joining that game, isnt the opposite of snobbery, its exploitation.

I hand it to all the players that avoid simply skimming points from the lower players that you are self-righteously are claiming to protect....and are meanwhile skimming some points from as you do...

This whole thread is just grandstanding as I said before. Its an online game, and many of the players you seem to be reffering to, are in their 30's and 40's or older. Time is certainly limited, and to call them a snob simply because they choose to play a game with players that are dedicated to points and winning is just silly.

To say imply they have any obligation to play anything other than what they want to play to have fun is just utterly ridiculous, and hypocritical.

Enjoy your grandstanding, and your hypocritical robin hood efforts, but it is very transparent for anyone that truly looks at the situation, and certainly anyone who looks at the games you set up and join.

Ive played 2600 games here. I could easily get my 3000 points if I wanted to just focus on points, and skim my points from unsuspecting players that have just gotten used to the game. And sometimes I do. I have as diverse a portfolio as anyone I suspect, with the exception of assasin games, which I simply just dont enjoy.

But I personally feel far less guilty joining a standard game with a bunch of players that are experienced than taking advantage of those who might not be.

You enjoy your freestyle skimming from the inexperienced ranks if thats what you have fun doing... but dont blame others because they dont enjoy it...

[AAFitz]

Enter Game1557172 Standard
Sequential Age Of Realms: Magic
Age Of Realms: Magic No Cards
Adjacent Yes

* pamoa ( 48-2 )lose
* KoE_Sirius ( 142-11 )win

I am sure this player thanked you very much for being so giving as to join his game, and wipe him out on your game of choice... very admirable of you...

Exploiting inexperienced players is not better than playing players of your own rank... sorry

granted, I couldnt care less what you play, but if you chose to condemn other players, you will probably have your own play called into question
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you joined this guy who unfortunately for him set up your favorite style game...

2007-12-31 08:48:04 - Lordjozz: hey gl
2007-12-31 08:48:08 - Lordjozz: have you played this map yet?
2007-12-31 08:48:57 - KoE_Sirius: yes
2007-12-31 08:49:03 - KoE_Sirius: several times


certainly this player thanked you.. now granted you showed him how to play.... but ill bet your intention to join so you could educate him....

[rebelman]

AA i usually agree with your posts on most threads and have agreed with your posts on this thread as well but a few of the remarks you made above I have to disagree with as someone who has been on the receiving end of "risk snobbery" because of my score/rank.

Players playing escalating games against other escalating players have much more dignity than you joining cooks and other low ranks and skimming their points in my opinion.

i think its unfair chastising or belittling people on this site over their choice of game - this site now allows a huge amount of possible game types no one should be singled out for playing their favorite type. I really like 1 v 1 on age of might but i stopped playing it when i was winning most of my games as it had become boring for me, thats why I play all maps and all game types, unfortunately though there are a large number of players that will not play me or the likes of me.

I could join cooks games all day long and skim points too, but i have fun playing experienced players because I have fun doing it.

im not a fan either of point skimming but unfortunately many of us low ranked players don't get the chance to play experienced players as they run a mile when they see our score as I outlined in an earlier post. I joined 3 public games today created by a captain - in all 3 cases the captain dropped after I joined - this is a regular occurance for me and many us corporals and lower ranked players.

There is nothing snobby about this. It isnt done to be cool, its because it is fun. This is a game. The harder the challenge, the more the fun.

i agree with this entirely but us low rankers arent given the opportunity by many to play in more challenging games we are expected to stick to our own

And though points arent a direct correlation of skill, and never will be, on average, you can expect the higher the rank to be more experienced, if not better... ie more challenge... this isnt snobbery

you can be a very experienced player and still have a lowish score - clapper is a fine example of this she has a score of 1200ish but she is a very experienced player, id like to think im somewhat similiar im a fairly experienced player and if all maps are looked at in their totality i reckon i could mix it with those of a higher score yet the likes of clap nd I and other players of our rank / score are regularly being snobbed around here by some of this site's "elite".

When Master Chief set up the Captains Games... You will see his primary motivation was well documented. It was partially because he felt bad for all the less experienced players that more experienced players were taking advantage of. If you dont think someone with 2200 points and 1500 games has a better chance of winning than someone with 200 games and 850 points, youre just deluding yourself. And you joining that game, isnt the opposite of snobbery, its exploitation.

your expoitation comment is a somewhat reasonable one, but the flip side of this is what bugs me - if a low ranker like me wants to join their games even if they are public im regularly blocked from doing this or they just drop as I mentioned above.

The irony is most of those posting on this thread including yourself AA are not the risk snobs that im referring to (although bar hulmey noone on this thread ever joined a public game set up by me - but i assume thats because you are all afraid of me ) - i have played some of you but only in private games - hmmm maybe i should start a thread about risk cowards should be just as entertaining

[AAFitz]

i think its unfair chastising or belittling people on this site over their choice of game -

This is my entire point. And its exactly what Sirius is doing, which is why i called him out on his game choice.

I think this entire thread has a negative tone, and is bad for the site, and I have no problem with a player like yourself complaining that you'd like to play more higher ranked players, but Sirius complaining about other's game choices is far too hypocritical... hes playing them to skim points.. not to be helpful. As far as your gripes, they are far more legitimate, but at the same time, we all know that if you wanted a higher score you could get one in a heart beat...

As far as me playing open games, I play many open games of all types... I play everything but assasin games. I also open speed world 2.1 games, but its not to allow all players a chance to play me... its because statistically I know my odds of winning are in the 90% range. And the lower the rank, the higher my odds of winning...

When I join a "Comic" game with comic boy.. my odds of winning are 1 out of 15 to date... I still play them, because i truly have fun playing with this kind of challenge, and me playing in them is far more admirable than setting up freestyle, speed games to waste unsuspecting players...

and if you want... 10 world 2.1 freestyle speed games are yours if you want them...just pm me... i believe ive mentioned that you can pm me anytime for a game in the past too... Im not posting here to defend myself... im defending all players that just want to play the games of their choice in peace.

This is a horrible thread for the site, and nothing good can come from it. The complaining is probably one of the largest factors why higher ranked players choose to play other higher ranked players... theres a pw for captains games, and one little motto: NO DRAMA.. occasionally there is some, but usually very controlled, and more strategy discussion than anything else. Can you honestly blame a player for wanting to play a game worth 20 points, have little fear of being taken out foolishly, have very little fear of a chat battle, and can expect a very competitive game?

Of course not. I work hard to maintain my point level, simply to play in these games... not for prestige, but because its the type of game I was looking for, when I googled risk games, and found this little invention by the turtle.

My suggestion to everyone, is stop focusing on others games, and just play your own. It wont ever happen, but this place sure would be a hell of a lot more fun if we all did.

[rebelman]

honestly the last thing i want to do is get involved in negative debate and actually i agree with you that this thread those have a svery negative undertone that's not good for the site. AA I have made it very clear that you are not a snob if anything you are the direct opposite, i know you play open games and im also aware of your invites to me in the past.

As I mentioned already this sites real snobs have totally steered clear of this thread and im not going to name and shame but they know who they are.

As for the captain games I'm a huge advocate of them and i never said people that play these games are snobs.

I actually hate the word snob in general - but i have clearly outlined above what I see as snobbery.

[Blitzaholic]

edit, double post, darn computer, grr

[Blitzaholic]

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i am going thru withdrawals

[rebelman]

go post a hot pic rebel

im looking for one as we speak - trying to find some new faces (asits the face that matters )

[Blitzaholic]

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I am all excited

[negoeien]

I don't want to quote AAFitz, but he said evrything there has to be said.
I am a same tipe of player.
Although skimming noobs there points can backfire a lot in six player classic games. So unlogical :p.
But I must agree there is snobbery but I just ignore it and have fun!!

[rebelman]

I don't want to quote AAFitz, but he said evrything there has to be said.
I am a same tipe of player.
Although skimming noobs there points can backfire a lot in six player classic games. So unlogical :p.
But I must agree there is snobbery but I just ignore it and have fun!!

you are a great example of a player who will play anyone both in public games and tournies.

[lord voldemort]

my 2 cents...i dont care about points...i play mostly tournie and public games..
my most played game is 1 v1 where i create the game with the settings i want. so i am up for anyone joining. sure its annoying loosing to the cook..but its better beating clive the colonel

[negoeien]

I don't want to quote AAFitz, but he said evrything there has to be said.
I am a same tipe of player.
Although skimming noobs there points can backfire a lot in six player classic games. So unlogical :p.
But I must agree there is snobbery but I just ignore it and have fun!!

you are a great example of a player who will play anyone both in public games and tournies.

Jeezes rebel that made me smile . Thx. Means a lot coming from you. I just like it to much otherwise I would prolly get to colonel but I said no to snobbery xD

[KoE_Sirius]

Enter Game1557172 Standard
Sequential Age Of Realms: Magic
Age Of Realms: Magic No Cards
Adjacent Yes

* pamoa ( 48-2 )lose
* KoE_Sirius ( 142-11 )win

I am sure this player thanked you very much for being so giving as to join his game, and wipe him out on your game of choice... very admirable of you...

Exploiting inexperienced players is not better than playing players of your own rank... sorry

granted, I couldnt care less what you play, but if you chose to condemn other players, you will probably have your own play called into question
___
you joined this guy who unfortunately for him set up your favorite style game...

2007-12-31 08:48:04 - Lordjozz: hey gl
2007-12-31 08:48:08 - Lordjozz: have you played this map yet?
2007-12-31 08:48:57 - KoE_Sirius: yes
2007-12-31 08:49:03 - KoE_Sirius: several times


certainly this player thanked you.. now granted you showed him how to play.... but ill bet your intention to join so you could educate him....

I wasn't exploiting him.I have no interest in his rank.It didnt cross my mind for one second what rank he was.He was in my way and I killed him.I have beaten higher ranks on my map of choice too.
You walk into my Arena and I will treat you as I do any enermy.Total respect in game chat and destroy you on the battle field.
From Chef to Colonel I have come through.
If any higher ranks walk in I'll destroy them too.
LOL at your suggestion of exploiting him.

[Snorri1234]

I wasn't exploiting him.I have no interest in his rank.It didnt cross my mind for one second what rank he was.He was in my way and I killed him.I have beaten higher ranks on my map of choice too.
You walk into my Arena and I will treat you as I do any enermy.Total respect in game chat and destroy you on the battle field.
From Chef to Colonel I have come through.
If any higher ranks walk in I'll destroy them too.
LOL at your suggestion of exploiting him.

So you had no idea what his rank was before you joined the game?

[KoE_Sirius]

Basically I see a Magic game open and I click join.I may have noticed his rank,but it doesnt interest me..For example Hawker is a chef and he is fantastic on the Magic map

[hulmey]

Siruis and i have had our differences and i wouldnt call our relationship on CC as friendly. But at least he gives a game to people like rebelman. Reb then decides wether he wants to play aginst siruis and hopefully maybe learn something. So lets stop the crap guys!! Most of THOTA's players run a mile when they see a player with reb's score. Now dont get me wrong, i have no beef with THOTA. But they are obvious targets due to their self confessed points targets in clan wars. And by no means is risk snobbery limited to their players!

Also i dont see the high ranked players complaining when they are skimming points of low rankers in doubles and triples. The higher ranks even let privates join so they dont lose to many points!

So lets stop the bullshit and defending the undefendable

[Snorri1234]

Basically I see a Magic game open and I click join.I may have noticed his rank,but it doesnt interest me..For example Hawker is a chef and he is fantastic on the Magic map

Well, I think the problem is mostly you joining those types of games. I understand you don't care what their rank is, but you must know you have a better chance of winning. Now when they join your games it's ok, as it's their choice. To me it's the same thing as with those 3 player teams JonhnyR and SkyT are such fans of. They join a Triples game against a bunch of inexperienced guys and utterly dominate them. It's not like they care about the ranks of others, but it's just that I think it's a bit unfair towards the other players. Not every player wants to play against higher (or lower) ranks, but first play against someone on their own level and see who is the best.

Honestly, I think the guys who drop the game when a low level joins are indeed bad. But at the same time I don't actually want to play against someone who cares so much about rank. (I think the snobs are actually the mid-level crowd, as I've seen for example Warsteiner play against anyone who wants to.)



All in all, I don't really see the big deal here. I don't think snobbery is a problem, as you can rise in points just as good without playing against them. And when a player refuses to fight you because you're too low, do you really want to play them?

[hulmey]

snorri with all due repect you have only been a member of CC for a little over 3 months and i hardly think you kniow the full extent of the hidden snobbery hidden in every corner of this site grrrrrrrr

[MeDeFe]

snorri with all due repect you have only been a member of CC for a little over 3 months and i hardly think you kniow the full extent of the hidden snobbery hidden in every corner of this site grrrrrrrr

Well, neither do I, and I've been here for quite some time.

[Snorri1234]

snorri with all due repect you have only been a member of CC for a little over 3 months and i hardly think you kniow the full extent of the hidden snobbery hidden in every corner of this site grrrrrrrr

Well I suppose. But what's this hidden snobbery then?

[Genghis Khan CA]

i think its unfair chastising or belittling people on this site over their choice of game -

This is my entire point. And its exactly what Sirius is doing, which is why i called him out on his game choice.

Nice point fitz... Basically you can't win if you're at the top - if you play similar ranks you are being a "risk snob", if you play all comers you are "skimming points off noobs"...

Really I don't see the obsession with belittling other's game choices... I mean it is just a game after all! Complaining about the types of games others play is no better than being a so-called risk snob.

[KoE_Sirius]

My games are open to all .Some Generals can join and skim my points if they want...I was a Private First Class when I jumped on the Magic map.
All those Captains who played it to skim my points.I thank you all for not being Risk Snobs.

[negoeien]

still you ahve to agree playing the same map over and over again is kinda lame.
Especially a map like magic.

[KoE_Sirius]

Yeah I played on the classic map in between a few games....I just love Capital Risk.I can't wait for Capitals to be a game setting as it is with Hasbro.