Risk Snobbery

[KoE_Sirius]

I'm not telling anyone to do anything..Risk Snobs can be Risk Snobs.Let them be that if it makes them happy..Just be proud of your snobbery and hang your head high.
Little catch thrases like"I'm not a Risk Snob,I just don't want to play the lower ranks"...Just don't cut it.

[Scott-Land]

If you think about it, it's not very realistic for a General to play a Cook. The lack of skill makes for a very bad experience and the points are just collateral damage. That has nothing to do with snobbery.

When you take a closer look into high ranks themselves. That is where the snobbery is.......... Granted the skill level from most ( there are excellent ones) Captains versus Majors/Colonels may not be as dramatic but there are plenty of subtle strategic differences that Captains lack . But do they lack enough for Colonels not to invite them to their high rank games-- or is the point value of a higher ranked player more important?

Colonels look for other Colonels to join their games and when they can't find enough then Majors fill the gap. Majors are always trying to get into Colonel games and when they can't, they look to Captains to fill theirs. So if you ask me- it's not the Cooks or Cadets that get the short end of the stick....... they haven't done anything to prove their worth. Captains on the other hand try extremely hard to improve their game and score to get into these higher ranked games but they never do. Well until they graduate to 'major' status. There are 2 more threads dedicated in call outs to further divide the masses by rank. Isn't that a clear sign of snobbery?

We've all endured it and we've all stuck our noses in the air to these players at one time or another. Some still do--

[KoE_Sirius]

I dont....I just finished a game with 2 chefs and a private...2 of whom are very good players.
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=1602963
After I won I told one of the players how I won.
Scott-Land I dont think you are a risk snob either lol

[Genghis Khan CA]

I'm not telling anyone to do anything..Risk Snobs can be Risk Snobs.Let them be that if it makes them happy..Just be proud of your snobbery and hang your head high.
Little catch thrases like"I'm not a Risk Snob,I just don't want to play the lower ranks"...Just don't cut it.

lol - you are the master of little catch phrases... just because you call someone a risk snob doesn't make it so!

There is no real difference between choosing to play private games and, say, choosing to only play freestyle speed games on age of realms. It's a matter of choice, people do what they prefer.

Good on you for acheiving a fine score by choosing to play all-comers... that has my respect. You've specialised in one type of game that has brought good results... just like others before you have specialised at doubles or triples, or private escalating games, or no card/flat rate games against all comers, or casual freestyle, or speed freestyle... all these methods have been used to get to the top.

There is a world of difference in playing styles between high ranked and public escalating - is it so hard to believe that some enjoy one but not the other??

Choosing to play certain types of games doesn't make you a snob, being preachy, self-righteous and smug makes you a snob.

[KoE_Sirius]

Game type has nothing to do with this subject.This is about ranks not playing lower ranks.

[Genghis Khan CA]

Game type has nothing to do with this subject.This is about ranks not playing lower ranks.

That is game type - lower ranked escalating games bear little resemblence to high ranked, as I said in my post

[KoE_Sirius]

Who plays in a particular game has nothing to do with "type"...Its doesnt matter what you say with regards to this.



If you "ONLY" play high ranks...Then you are a Risk SNOB.

[Genghis Khan CA]

Who plays in a particular game has nothing to do with "type"...Its doesnt matter what you say with regards to this.



If you "ONLY" play high ranks...Then you are a Risk SNOB.

Clearly whatever anyone says in regards to anything doesn't matter to you since you are unwilling to take on anyone else's point of view!

In your world your word is infallible and if you say that people who play high ranks are risk snobs - with no reference to their general attitude or personality mind you - then it is so. The fact is this is only your opinion and a lot of people do not share it! A courteous, humble player who plays high ranks purely for enjoyment is a lot less of a snob than someone who plays all comers but thinks he knows better than everyone else!

I will concede that there are players on this site who are snobs. Some are high ranked, some are middle or low ranked. But snobbery is an attitude towards other players - choosing games which one enjoys in and of itself does not constitute snobbery!

[Herakilla]

there are several things that could be viewed as snobbery

playing your rank or higher

refusing to play people because of some preset variable decided by yourself (you say i wont play any1 with this many negs or higher)

playing only private games

playing only players you know or believe to be good

and some that dont have to do with choosing who you play

harsh criticism on newer players for doing something stupid

forcefully suggesting how to play

treating players according to their points (oh you have 1200 points, what do you know)

just general attitude (im a major, look at me! im so special!)


im sure there are many more things that could be added to this list and i will admit i could be viewed as a snob since i put people with a horrible positive negative ratio on my ignore list, some would say SNOB, other would say smart

[KoE_Sirius]

Who plays in a particular game has nothing to do with "type"...Its doesnt matter what you say with regards to this.



If you "ONLY" play high ranks...Then you are a Risk SNOB.

Clearly whatever anyone says in regards to anything doesn't matter to you since you are unwilling to take on anyone else's point of view!

In your world your word is infallible and if you say that people who play high ranks are risk snobs - with no reference to their general attitude or personality mind you - then it is so. The fact is this is only your opinion and a lot of people do not share it! A courteous, humble player who plays high ranks purely for enjoyment is a lot less of a snob than someone who plays all comers but thinks he knows better than everyone else!

I will concede that there are players on this site who are snobs. Some are high ranked, some are middle or low ranked. But snobbery is an attitude towards other players - choosing games which one enjoys in and of itself does not constitute snobbery!

You basically said everything I have been saying...Your statements are long and cloud what this subject is about.As I began the thread I think I need to high light what I was referering to.
I have said over and over throughout this thread ...That risk snobbery is not confined to the high ranks and that the format you choose to play is nothing to do with it.
Yes when someone tries to change the meaning of something I started I feel like banging my head against a brick wall too.
Only i don't

[hulmey]

If you think about it, it's not very realistic for a General to play a Cook. The lack of skill makes for a very bad experience and the points are just collateral damage. That has nothing to do with snobbery.

thats just it scott! Classic example of a snob!. Take Siruis for example. 4 months ago he came back to CC after an abscene of some 4 months. His score was 1900 and then he went down to 1100 and now he is nearing 3000! Does this mean when he was a private he had less skill?

[rebelman]

there are several things that could be viewed as snobbery

playing your rank or higher

refusing to play people because of some preset variable decided by yourself (you say i wont play any1 with this many negs or higher)

playing only private games

playing only players you know or believe to be good

and some that dont have to do with choosing who you play

harsh criticism on newer players for doing something stupid

forcefully suggesting how to play

treating players according to their points (oh you have 1200 points, what do you know)

just general attitude (im a major, look at me! im so special!)


im sure there are many more things that could be added to this list and i will admit i could be viewed as a snob since i put people with a horrible positive negative ratio on my ignore list, some would say SNOB, other would say smart

i have encountered all of the above since joining this site

[Genghis Khan CA]

You basically said everything I have been saying...Your statements are long and cloud what this subject is about.As I began the thread I think I need to high light what I was referering to.
I have said over and over throughout this thread ...That risk snobbery is not confined to the high ranks and that the format you choose to play is nothing to do with it.
Yes when someone tries to change the meaning of something I started I feel like banging my head against a brick wall too.
Only i don't

If that's what you're saying then I'm afraid it is not coming across very clearly... in fact you just defined a risk snob as someone who plays against high ranks two posts ago?

It is very difficult to decipher your actual point, and your above post doesn't really say what you think a risk snob is? Just what it isn't confined to.

[jiminski]

-duplicated due to refresh-

[jiminski]

I'm not telling anyone to do anything..Risk Snobs can be Risk Snobs.Let them be that if it makes them happy..Just be proud of your snobbery and hang your head high.
Little catch thrases like"I'm not a Risk Snob,I just don't want to play the lower ranks"...Just don't cut it.

hmm .. i dunno Sirius, i know what you mean and there are undoubtedly 'snobbs' at every level.....

Your original point was about people only playing with people of similar rank or at least not playing lower ranks.

I go through phases in the types of games i play: from almost exclusively playing Private, singles, esc with a mix of trips/ doubles public; to, as at the moment, playing in almost all public singles esc. and doubles.

Points-wise i was nearly at 3k when i played almost exclusively private singles esc. and team public. However aspects of the game irritated me enough to pull me out of this phase.

I play because i love risk as much as most people love wine and women.
I play for enjoyment and for the love of the game.

Things about all levels and formats can irritate me, for example:
-Taking it far too, irrationally seriously does get my goat and some players (the same burden of proof may not fall when it is their attack) would rather the game be an endless flawless, riskless, meandering stalemate where only the successful attack can be correct.

-There are also few things more irritating than a new lad, manically whacking you, to go for the Europe bonus, in an escalator game.
(I have to remind myself that the boot may just be on the other foot in these 2 examples.)

You have to remind yourself that a bad move is often about perspective. (Peoples perspective differs relevant to how aggressive they are, whose go it is and yes!... it is dependent upon the players level of skill and experience!)


So there will be a time when i forgo most of the public games for a phase and seek out good, affable and compatible characters to play exclusively with once more.

But and this is the thing.. it's my bloody choice and i should be able to do what i like without anyones inverted snobbery making a judgment upon me.
Is it wrong or snobbery to seek out people you know, to play the game in a similar manner as oneself?
We seek and weed-out the players who deplete our enjoyment.

What you are saying is like chastising anyone who frequents their local pub as a snob; why don't they visit the new local winebar? (which sells imported beer and marinaded olives)
Why? because it will cost twice as much and the clientèle is an unknown quantity.
You 'may' find the love of your life there but you may equally find a nutcase with a broken bottle and a hatred for people called Jim.

The older you get, the more likely you will go for the familiarity of your local pub.

[Genghis Khan CA]

But and this is the thing.. it's my bloody choice and i should be able to do what i like without anyones inverted snobbery making a judgment upon me.
Is it wrong or snobbery to seek out people you know, to play the game in a similar manner as oneself?
We seek and weed-out the players who deplete our enjoyment.

What you are saying is like chastising anyone who frequents their local pub as a snob; why don't they visit the new local winebar? (which sells imported beer and marinaded olives)
Why? because it will cost twice as much and the clientèle is an unknown quantity.
You 'may' find the love of your life there but you may equally find a nutcase with a broken bottle and a hatred for people called Jim.

The older you get, the more likely you will go for the familiarity of your local pub.

As always, jim succeeds in making the point I was trying to make, much more eloquently

[hulmey]

so your posts were long winded and clouded!!

[hulmey]

Points-wise i was nearly at 3k when i played almost exclusively private singles esc. and team public. However aspects of the game irritated me enough to pull me out of this phase.

I play because i love risk as much as most people love wine and women.
I play for enjoyment and for the love of the game.

Just to quote you Jim..This is what its all about! And yes i agree about the europe bonus but it works both ways as do the dice!!

[jiminski]

Just to quote you Jim..This is what its all about! And yes i agree about the europe bonus but it works both ways as do the dice!!

Agreed Hulmey and i constantly remind myself of that... that's why i include the portion about 'perspective' above.

[Snorri1234]

Risk Snob

[rebelman]

Have to say what jim said makes total sense but risk snobbery as I have experienced it still exists and i think what i would consider "risk snobbery" is best described by Hera

playing your rank or higher

refusing to play people because of some preset variable decided by yourself (you say i wont play any1 with this many negs or higher)

playing only private games

playing only players you know or believe to be good

and some that dont have to do with choosing who you play

harsh criticism on newer players for doing something stupid

forcefully suggesting how to play

treating players according to their points (oh you have 1200 points, what do you know)

just general attitude (im a major, look at me! im so special!)

the last 4 above are the worst, the first 4 are not as bad - although the the 4th one is fairly pathetic.

As recently as last night I was about to join a game when I realised there was a player in at who has made it clear to me I cannot join his games until I pass 2.5K in score (ironically this player now has a lower score than this himself, yet i believe his view is still the same) - in reality unless I turn into a specialist on some map and game style I will never pass 2.5K so that player whom I regularly chat to has indicated he will never play me on the basis of my score.

At least one other player on this site has indicated they will only play me when I pass 2K again not something thats going to happen any time soon - not with the mix of games I play. This is also annoying as I have noticed this player posting public games and i cant join because like with the above example I have to reach a certain score before they allow me in their games.

What bugs me about all this is double standards if a colonel decided they refuse to play anyone below 2,500 then thats not snobbery its actual a fairly balanced and reasonable decision but what i have described above is different as there appears to be a different rule for me to others, in my example from yesterday there was a ? in that game so the player I was referring to was willing to play a ? but is unwilling to play me until i hit 2.5K because of my score

The below post from me from a few pages ago describes what I believe to be "risk snobbery" i think a combination of that and hera's list gives an accurate description.

"snobbery" does exist on this site by a very small minority of players not all in the highest ranks either - here are examples which i have experienced since joining this site

players dropping games when i join because of my low rank

players criticising my posts on here because of my low rank - to quote a current colonel "how do you know you are only a private" when i posted on one particular thread.

being placed on ignore reason given when I inquired why "you are a low ranker"

also I am very happy in my current clan (which has no restrictions regarding score in who becomes a member or who we play) but there are a number of clans i can't join or if my clan were to compete against them i can't play because of my score

the other form of snobbery that really gets to me is we are all tarred with the same brush. I play all maps in all settings doesnt really bother me - i have never deadbeated and i never suicided but to quote another current colonel/major in another thread responding to comments by me "players like you always deadbeat or suicide in games"

At the end of the day its every player's choice to an extent who they play and I really have no problem with players who just don't want to play that is their choice and its not snobbery in most instances but the examples i gave above are clearly snobbery to a greater or lesser extent.

Anyway I will continue to play a wide mix of maps and types and players of all skills/ ranks that are willing to play against/ with me (check my active / finished games for further proof of this)

[negoeien]

Have to say what jim said makes total sense but risk snobbery as I have experienced it still exists and i think what i would consider "risk snobbery" is best described by Hera

playing your rank or higher

refusing to play people because of some preset variable decided by yourself (you say i wont play any1 with this many negs or higher)

playing only private games

playing only players you know or believe to be good

and some that dont have to do with choosing who you play

harsh criticism on newer players for doing something stupid

forcefully suggesting how to play

treating players according to their points (oh you have 1200 points, what do you know)

just general attitude (im a major, look at me! im so special!)

the last 4 above are the worst, the first 4 are not as bad - although the the 4th one is fairly pathetic.

As recently as last night I was about to join a game when I realised there was a player in at who has made it clear to me I cannot join his games until I pass 2.5K in score (ironically this player now has a lower score than this himself, yet i believe his view is still the same) - in reality unless I turn into a specialist on some map and game style I will never pass 2.5K so that player whom I regularly chat to has indicated he will never play me on the basis of my score.

At least one other player on this site has indicated they will only play me when I pass 2K again not something thats going to happen any time soon - not with the mix of games I play. This is also annoying as I have noticed this player posting public games and i cant join because like with the above example I have to reach a certain score before they allow me in their games.

What bugs me about all this is double standards if a colonel decided they refuse to play anyone below 2,500 then thats not snobbery its actual a fairly balanced and reasonable decision but what i have described above is different as there appears to be a different rule for me to others, in my example from yesterday there was a ? in that game so the player I was referring to was willing to play a ? but is unwilling to play me until i hit 2.5K because of my score

Who are you referiing too rebel? I'm very curious.

[rebelman]

Who are you referiing too rebel? I'm very curious.

i'm not going to name names on this thread, but as you asked, I have pmed you the names

[Blitzaholic]

If you think about it, it's not very realistic for a General to play a Cook. That has nothing to do with snobbery.

yerp

[Blitzaholic]

Who plays in a particular game has nothing to do with "type"...Its doesnt matter what you say with regards to this.



If you "ONLY" play high ranks...Then you are a Risk SNOB.

There is also games open to the public often and anyone can join those and many Horsemen do this so none of them are snobs, they allow lower ranks to join if they choose, its open to anyone.