Stargate Mafia end game...french people are evil..

[The Weird One]

shall we have a mass rolecliam. I wont claim because well I dont know who else approves

that sounds semi-scummy to me. it might help get the scum out in the open, but, then again, the scum could make a good roleclaim and have us fooled and at a loss. If this happens, they can pick us off one by one.

[cena-rules]

shall we have a mass rolecliam. I wont claim because well I dont know who else approves

that sounds semi-scummy to me. it might help get the scum out in the open, but, then again, the scum could make a good roleclaim and have us fooled and at a loss. If this happens, they can pick us off one by one.

hmmm you make a good point. @ rebel that spiesr arguement sounds good

[The Weird One]

a mass roleclaim could go either way. and can we even trust freddy-chu. he said 1 scum left, but yesterday he said he wasn't scum. he lied once, why not twice?

[rebelman]

a mass roleclaim could go either way. and can we even trust freddy-chu. he said 1 scum left, but yesterday he said he wasn't scum. he lied once, why not twice?

to be honest i think he may be telling the truth this time although is scope in this game for lots of scum

[ga7]

Well, this collection of Spiesr posts put together do make him look more scummy than I first thought. It also makes sense to claim a roleblock of Fir since a mafia terrorist normally doesn't have night actions anyway.
About the mass claim idea, I disagree. With the doc dead scum will be likely able to off anyone, so it'll raise the chance of vital roles dying. There's also the fact I don't trust the chu one bit on his final words, as he could have tried to WIFOM us before going boom.
Anyway, I have a remaining doubt as I don't understand why Spiesr didn't get counterclaimed if he's a scum roleblocker, but seeing as his case is the most convincing right now some more pressure on him won't hurt. Vote Spiesr

[spiesr]

ok heres some evidence to back up my theory on speiser

FOS NES!

he had no way of knowing NES was independant just that he was not scum this was before the bandwagon started rolling on him

unvote vote ss

he called for a vote on shady also on day 1 - another proven not to be scum

Unvote vote Clive, If you live, I will probably trust you for no reason, can't let that happen again...

another proven townie fingered by spieser

Unovote vote Nes
On the emergency bandwagon.

he then gave NES the killer blow - which at the time he assumed was good news for scum

These were all day 1. Most of these led to nothing just like a lot of other randomish votes that people did on day 1. They are mostly meaningless...

[spiesr]

vote nagerous

Why?
I mean, are you going to justify that vote or just do it because someone said to.

he jumped to the defense of his fellow scum

No I was just hoping to encourage discussion.

hmm...what the hell was Clive doing?

You mean yesterday, or are you dropping hints about last night?

tried to make Clive (townie) look bad

I was just trying to clarify if Iliad was trying to say that he had some sort of info about Clive's actions.

Cena's last vote was for minister musket. did he know something we didn't?

Unless he was able to perform two actions per day, he couldn't have. He said he investigated rebel on night 1 and got him town and on night 2 he died (and also got role blocked)!

I haven't been keeping much track, but are you saying you role blocked him, or know of somebody who did?

I think Cena said he was role blocked.

he knew cena was blocked as he was the one that blocked him

Everyone who read the thread knew that he said he was roll blocked. How does this make me more scummy?

UNVOTE VOTE GA7!
I just went back and checked something, and unless something really weird happen last night you did not track Neutrino. You had better fess up as to why you just lied!

no explanation necessary

I realized that according to my info, GA7 was lying, is there a problem with letting people know that?

Unless odd things happened with me last night you could not have tracked anyone!

he blocked ga7 who seems to be town

On night 2 there was no real reason for anyone to believe he was town.

Possibilities:
1. You are lying.
2. I got roleblocked or bus drivered.

I am not lying for I am Master Bra'tac roleblocker. Someone who watches Stargate can verify that this is a moderately important pro town character. By the way, who is your character ga7?
My action so far: (May be handy to verify claims later if I die...)
Night 1 Block mr. incrediball
Night 2 Block ga7

the above is his role claim and details of what he says happened -this is interested when looked at with the cena blocking

Because they don't exactly seem to match? That is why I claimed in the first place, to let people know something was wrong with the current version of events.

Okay time for those whom have claimed to tell what they did last night.
I blocked rebelman.
GA7? SS?

Also is it odd that when GA7 tracked the godfather he saw him go to the kill, but when he tracked the hit man he saw nothing?

he blocked me even though at stage all knew i was town after cena's investigation

Yes, I screwed up there...

With out any real leads I don't have good feelings about Skittles!, so Vote: Skittles! Any better ideas and I will promptly change.

nothing up this point or since suggests skittles is scum

Or anything that says he is town.

With no leads the best I can think of is to lynch MM to see what he really is... I know Fircoal will oppose this but, UNVOTE VOTE MM

this started the jester kill again he knew mm was not scum but he couldn't know he was jester.

Well, you are right about me not knowing he was for sure jester.

I blocked Fircoal last night...
Sorry for possibly ruining an investigation.

hmmmm

What, I was suspicious of him, apparently I was not the only one. I guess it kind of backfired as it made his claim of being a cop work better...

At the risk of sounding scummy, I think our best strategy may be to try to force roll claims out of more people. If we play it a little smarter this time around we have a decent chance of telling truth from lies...

again speaks for itself (trying to suss out what us townies do)

I thought that our most effective strategy was to exploit the fact that it is hard for scum to make good fake claims without being countered. It makes sense as we found two scum so far through them being countered claimed.

Unless some else counter claims Dr. Jackson Fircoal is telling the truth!
Unvote

once again backs up his scum buddy

I didn't want to have another claim that made sense be killed anyway without evidence otherwise, like Cena was.

We have two people who claimed the same roll and therefore one must be lying, and you vote for someone else? fos CrabNebula...

he fos crab because he knew he was town

No, I FOS him because we had a 50/50 shot of lynching a scum a scum and he was going off on another direction. And we still don't know that crab is town for sure.

Arg vote Xen if he is telling the truth we would not want a cop to investiagte him...

even though there were 2 dan js he started the lynch on the genuine one

I figured that I would rather risk a PGO than a cop.

Vote Fircoal!
I wonder what happened last night...

he did this today as we all knew fir was scum so by fingering chu it looked like he was town but he knew the truth

We all knew Fircoal was scum, this doesn't prove anything.

Someone seems to think Fircoal was a mafia bomb, this is wrong he was a mafia terrorist. The difference is he does not have to be lynched to use his power if he is a terrorist. If he had been a bomb the day would end when he was lynched and the last person who voted for him would have died. He chose to kill kiwi, why?
I blocked Skittles! last night.
Discuss or aaaah!

i know the death scene made this fairly clear he was very quick to clarify what type of scum chu was

People were saying he was bomb. I wanted to make sure they knew he wasn't so we could ponder why he killed kiwi.

[spiesr]

Rebel, you are town, did you make a specific claim at some point or is all we know that you are pro-town. I looked some and didn't find a claim,
Crab, people think you are politician, do you officially claim this? If so what are your character and past actions.

[Skoffin]

So let me get this straight.. we're not lynching RD now? Bloody hell I want that knob out of the game.
Anyway, I too am against a mass claim for now. Never believe a chu, particularly scum chu. We do not know how far we really are from endgame yet so if there is to be a mass claim it would be best to leave it till the end. Yes claims have gotten scum lynched, but have you noticed we've lynched the town claimer before we've gotten to the scum fakeclaimer? Not only could scum pick us off in the night, but they could also get real claimers bumped off before they do.

[rebelman]

Rebel, you are town, did you make a specific claim at some point or is all we know that you are pro-town. I looked some and didn't find a claim,
Crab, people think you are politician, do you officially claim this? If so what are your character and past actions.

yep all we know is im a townie and for the same reason im opposed to a mass role claim im not going to reveal who i am and what my role is (assuming i have one) -our doc is dead as is our back up doc so scum finding out our roles at this stage would be a disaster.

[rebelman]

regarding speiser's replies they seem reasonable but until i hear evidence to support going after someone else my vote remains where it is.

[The Weird One]

seeing that I don't want to end up vote hopping, (I'm predicting a lot of very convincing stories about why we should lynch a variety of surviving players) I'm just not gonna vote for anyone right now.

[kwanton]

i never said i was jackson...i said i was jacob carter.

i pushed for a lynching because it seemed like i was going to get killed anyway because of crabby so, i just figured i wasn't gonna change anyones mind anyway so, WTH

I know you never said you were jackson. That was kid of a main point in my arguments. Since you aren't jackson you had no reason to distrust fircoal at the time.

You pushed for fircoal's lynch before the counter claim and before crab went after you. In fact that was the reason crab went after you no?


Rebelman raises very good arguments. So for now vote spiesr

We need to take a serious look at RD and CN though.

[spurgistan]

The logic against spiesr (and that RD is town) in the last few pages makes a good bit of sense, in my book. Sorry I don't have much to add, except that I don't think we need a massclaim right now, if all we're going after is one scum. Sort of needle-in-haystack. Although, I feel that we haven't addressed the question of why exactly we should trust Fircoal's odd little death poem?

[diddle]

Spiesr, whom did you block last night?

I'm too ill to read, so don't get your knickers in a twist if this has already been covered.

[Roger Dodger]

maybe but, who knows ? fircoal may be telling the truth about only 1 needed to win? i know i never trusted fircoal and maybe that's because of the double role claim. but, when you are about to blow yourself up it could be that he needed to confess.

i have never been a terrorist hence not sure if a conscience is involved.

the other thing is how would he know only 1 was left?

inquiring minds want to know.

[spiesr]

I blocked Skittles! last night.

Here you go diddle.

[spiesr]

the other thing is how would he know only 1 was left?

Being part of the mafia group he would likely know who his fellow mafia were.

[rebelman]

the other thing is how would he know only 1 was left?

Being part of the mafia group he would likely know who his fellow mafia were.

he would know that, but his parting message could easily have been a lie

ps fos rd again for saying she has never been scum - i find this hard to believe if she has played multiple games.

[spiesr]

the other thing is how would he know only 1 was left?

Being part of the mafia group he would likely know who his fellow mafia were.

he would know that, but his parting message could easily have been a lie

ps fos rd again for saying she has never been scum - i find this hard to believe if she has played multiple games.

I know that I was just answering a question.
I think she was referring to the roll terrorist and not the roll scum?

[rebelman]

I think she was referring to the roll terrorist and not the roll scum?

aha, ok bye bye fos for now

[diddle]

I blocked Skittles! last night.

Here you go diddle.

Skittles!, can you vouch for that?

Once again, I apologise if this has already been covered.

[rebelman]

where is everybody gone, its still day

[Skittles!]

I blocked Skittles! last night.

Here you go diddle.

Skittles!, can you vouch for that?

Once again, I apologise if this has already been covered.

Well, seeming I didn't know I was roleblocked, how am I meant to vouch for it?

[spiesr]

You could tell what you tried to do if you choose. Or at least if you tried to do something.