Ron Paul Is Toast

[Napoleon Ier]

Objectively in terms of Foreign Policy, its got to be the inspired

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran

(Classic McCain)

or the brilliant off-the-cuff

Let's introduce 'em to them sevny two virgins they's bin lookin forward to meetin' (Big Fred - "Better Fred than Red", "Southern Fried Reagan" or "The Hunt for a Fred November")

[jay_a2j]

You know, he's not the only candidate against the war.

Yeah, but he's the ONLY candidate I believe MEANS it.

Aren't you letting Conservapedia influence your position just a little?

I believe he means a lot of things, but the question is...is he right? Would those ideas flurish in the present state of America and world affairs? I have come to the conclusion that it will not, but would put us at odds worse than what we are now currently. His idea about withdrawing from NATO didn't sit well with me when I read it in his book A Foreign Policy of Freedom. Iran is going to happen, it's a given. Just get ready for it and pray (if you don't believe in God, then read!). Ron Paul does not stand a chance in this election...better to choose, what is being said, the lesser of evil.

Wow what a sudden change of heart! You got all this from a statement you saw Ron make while eating a turkey sandwich? You might want to have that turkey taken to a lab for analysis.


There must be some other reason for the change. Someone talked you into not supporting Ron? Idk..... even when I turned on Bush it was a process of weeks. A little odd here. But good luck with your support for the nwo!

[jay_a2j]

If this incident was staged, his answer was still absurd, because he doesn't know if it was staged...ridiculous.

That settles it, DaGip was only on the Ron Paul train for the conspiracy theory whackjobs, and when Ron Paul gave a rational answer to a foreign policy question that didn't involve a government plot, he decided to hop off.

Oh well, the message never involved conspiracy theories, and it's certainly still there

You think so? Paul NEVER said anything to give the impression that he was a 911 truther. And even now that I am in some ways, it doesn't matter! Ron Paul is the only one speaking out against, national id card, the nau, the superhighway and the patriot act. Come on! Abandon the defense of LIBERTY because he distanced himself from 911 truthers? WOW! DOUBLE WOW!


EDIT: EVEN ALEX JONES SUPPORTS RON PAUL!

[Iliad]

You know, he's not the only candidate against the war.

Yeah, but he's the ONLY candidate I believe MEANS it.

Aren't you letting Conservapedia influence your position just a little?

I believe he means a lot of things, but the question is...is he right? Would those ideas flurish in the present state of America and world affairs? I have come to the conclusion that it will not, but would put us at odds worse than what we are now currently. His idea about withdrawing from NATO didn't sit well with me when I read it in his book A Foreign Policy of Freedom. Iran is going to happen, it's a given. Just get ready for it and pray (if you don't believe in God, then read!). Ron Paul does not stand a chance in this election...better to choose, what is being said, the lesser of evil.

Wow what a sudden change of heart! You got all this from a statement you saw Ron make while eating a turkey sandwich? You might want to have that turkey taken to a lab for analysis.


There must be some other reason for the change. Someone talked you into not supporting Ron? Idk..... even when I turned on Bush it was a process of weeks. A little odd here. But good luck with your support for the nwo!

Yes jay it was teh turkey sandwich. You see the turkeys aspired to take control of the election since it was so close to christmas. they ate drugs so when everyone ate turkey for christmas they all didn't vote for Ron Paul. Dagip didn't eat turkey until now.


Beware for the turkeys are working with the reptilian overlords now

[jay_a2j]

And I guess This is null and void!

You know, Guisie, you always attack Jay on his flip flopping...at least he admits that he made a mistake in the past, as did I. I use to be a big Bush supporter and watch FOXNEWS religiously everyday, I wouldn't watch anything else. Then, one day, I watched Loose Change...it made me at the least think of another possibility to 9-11. Then I watched 9-11 Mysteries and something didn't seem right with what we were being told. I don't claim to have the answers, but I know this government is covering up info from that day (Norm Minetta for one, and 9-11 witnesses testifying to explosions before the planes hit). At least Jay is coming clean, I commend him.

[DaGip]

And I guess This is null and void!

You know, Guisie, you always attack Jay on his flip flopping...at least he admits that he made a mistake in the past, as did I. I use to be a big Bush supporter and watch FOXNEWS religiously everyday, I wouldn't watch anything else. Then, one day, I watched Loose Change...it made me at the least think of another possibility to 9-11. Then I watched 9-11 Mysteries and something didn't seem right with what we were being told. I don't claim to have the answers, but I know this government is covering up info from that day (Norm Minetta for one, and 9-11 witnesses testifying to explosions before the planes hit). At least Jay is coming clean, I commend him.

Still doesn't change, I still think the government is covering something up, and I am not a supporter of Bush anymore (not that that matters, I helped make him president), but I just can't see the point of voting for Ron Paul anymore...the guy is going to lose. Do you just vote on principal or electability? Ron Paul has some good ideals, but that doesn't help with the up coming war with Iran. We are going to have to win this war. In the words of Gandalf: "Understand this: things are now in motion that cannot be undone!" Wisdom from a fictious character...but it is wisdom, nonetheless.

Ron Paul is not going to win, so we have to weigh out what comes next, and who we should be dropping a vote for. You can still waste your money and your vote on Ron Paul, but it is to no avail. Sorry, jay...reality is sinking in, and we need to make the best of this situation now. The NWO has been in power for a long, long time...they aren't going anywhere. This two-party system isn't going to relinquish it's grasp without a fight...the question is, is it worth destroying the country for? Ron Paul says he is a Republican, but you and I both know he is a Libertarian.

He should be running on the Independant or Libertarian ticket...but he won't. He is trying to salvage the unsalvagable. The Republicans got hijacked a long time ago and he is trying to bring it back to its more libertarian roots. It won't happen, Bush polarized the majority of the party. We are stuck looking at World War 3. I am not supporting the NWO, jay, I want the best oportunity for peace for this country and Ron Paul isn't the answer.

This thing coming must be fought, it is too late to stop it. We might as well give it our support instead of anarchy. Anarchy is exactly what our enemies want from us...well screw them! Don't support our enemies, jay. If you don't want to be computer chipped, I agree with you...then let's be united on that front, but let's also remember that we have brothers and sisters giving their lives up in the Mid East, and that much we should honor. They died believing that the USA was going to win...let's win! Let's find the best alternative to win this war. Ron Paul won't win it, that is evident. He would come in at a time of war and crisis and dismantle the whole government? I don't think this is the time for drastic libertarian experiments, do you?

[luns101]

DaGip, I admire the fact that you can come out and admit to all of this...seriously. You took a solid look at Paul's statements and compared them historically to events (such as the Gulf of Tonkin incident). My suggestion to you is that you write down a set of principles that you personally believe in. Think through why you believe them to be better than other principles. Above all, know that no matter what, no one person is going to live up to all of them and you absolutely will be disappointed. I can't think of one person who I've supported politically who has never disappointed me.

[OnlyAmbrose]

If this incident was staged, his answer was still absurd, because he doesn't know if it was staged...ridiculous.

That settles it, DaGip was only on the Ron Paul train for the conspiracy theory whackjobs, and when Ron Paul gave a rational answer to a foreign policy question that didn't involve a government plot, he decided to hop off.

Oh well, the message never involved conspiracy theories, and it's certainly still there

You think so? Paul NEVER said anything to give the impression that he was a 911 truther.

I think I said that

[Neutrino]

Question: what exactly is Paul's stance on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?
Cut 'n' run? Establish a very unstable puppet government, then cut 'n' run? I certainly can't imagine him advocating actually staying long enough to establish a decently stable government...

P.S. There's still been no response as to why abandoning Israel won't result in Israel getting lynched and/or turning most of Palestine and surrounds into a highly radioactive crater...

[DaGip]

Question: what exactly is Paul's stance on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?
Cut 'n' run? Establish a very unstable puppet government, then cut 'n' run? I certainly can't imagine him advocating actually staying long enough to establish a decently stable government...

P.S. There's still been no response as to why abandoning Israel won't result in Israel getting lynched and/or turning most of Palestine and surrounds into a highly radioactive crater...

Israel would have no mercy on anyone if they felt that their existence was threatened. If we left the Mid East now, it would be completely catostrophic. Sure they got nuclear weapons to take care of themselves, but we don't want them to use them! We don't want anyone to use them...leaving Israel to face all those Arabs alone would only increase the chances of a nuclear conflict in that region.

[Skittles!]

Here's an idea, if you don't anyone to use the nukes, go to the fucking UN and make an agreement that no one makes anymore nukes and disarms all their nukes, including the US.

If you're so worried about the damn people have nukes, make a damn agreement that even the US will stand by!

God.

[Iliad]

Question: what exactly is Paul's stance on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?
Cut 'n' run? Establish a very unstable puppet government, then cut 'n' run? I certainly can't imagine him advocating actually staying long enough to establish a decently stable government...

P.S. There's still been no response as to why abandoning Israel won't result in Israel getting lynched and/or turning most of Palestine and surrounds into a highly radioactive crater...

Israel would have no mercy on anyone if they felt that their existence was threatened. If we left the Mid East now, it would be completely catostrophic. Sure they got nuclear weapons to take care of themselves, but we don't want them to use them! We don't want anyone to use them...leaving Israel to face all those Arabs alone would only increase the chances of a nuclear conflict in that region.

Why is the nation which (probably) has the most nukes and is the ONLY nation to ever use nukes in a war so worried about other nation having nukes?

[DaGip]

Question: what exactly is Paul's stance on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?
Cut 'n' run? Establish a very unstable puppet government, then cut 'n' run? I certainly can't imagine him advocating actually staying long enough to establish a decently stable government...

P.S. There's still been no response as to why abandoning Israel won't result in Israel getting lynched and/or turning most of Palestine and surrounds into a highly radioactive crater...

Israel would have no mercy on anyone if they felt that their existence was threatened. If we left the Mid East now, it would be completely catostrophic. Sure they got nuclear weapons to take care of themselves, but we don't want them to use them! We don't want anyone to use them...leaving Israel to face all those Arabs alone would only increase the chances of a nuclear conflict in that region.

Why is the nation which (probably) has the most nukes and is the ONLY nation to ever use nukes in a war so worried about other nation having nukes?

Because the USA knows they are bad and ultimately wants to get rid of all of them...but as long as other countries keep developing them, the US will keep theirs for deterant. I would love to go to the UN and protest and get the whole world to get rid of all Nukes...I would be laughed at and probably put in jail for practicing my free speech.

[browng-08]

I would be laughed at and probably put in jail for practicing my free speech.

Just you wait till they get a pretty boy like you in the showers...



Grrrrr

[jay_a2j]

Da Gip with all due respect, it just doesn't make sense to me. I will address the "war on terror" in a moment but first and foremost I'll address what is the more important issue our freedom. The Patriot Act, under the guise of protecting Americans from terrorism, will be used to enslave many people in this country. It is very clear to me. The National ID card will be required, if you don't have one you can and will be arrested as a terrorist. At some point a chip will be required. Eventually you will be taken to a Fema camp with the other "terrorists".

I also am certain that we cannot stop or even change this path we are on. It all lines up with what the Bible says about the end times. Satan will rule the world for a brief time. You will "take the mark" on your right hand or "forehead" or you will be put to death. Those who refuse to take the mark will be saved. It is the number of the beast. Even though Ron Paul can not stop this from happening, he is the only one standing up against it!

The "war on terror". I was a Bush supporter and I was for going into Afghanistan. Questioned going into Iraq but eventually got on board. Then talk about invading Iran started and all of the sudden I started to wake up. After looking up a lot of things related to 911 and getting no answers to explain the unexplainable, I realized that our government had to be involved in bringing those towers down. But I had to find out why? Why would they do this? Well, it's what is called a "False Flag". Governments throughout history have staged "terrorist" attacks in order to scare their populations into giving up their freedoms. 911 led us to believe we were after terrorists. Not securing oil or setting up permanent bases in the Middle East which I believe are the REAL reasons we are over there, although we have been told, we are there to fight terrorists.

Take a hard look at all the people running for President. Research them. Find out which one's are members of the CFR. Because every president "elected" has some ties to the people that really control the government. You are right, Ron Paul does not have a chance, they would never let him win. So, I should vote for someone who is going to take us into WWIII, because IT WILL HAPPEN but if Ron Paul was President it won't happen under his watch.


Ron Paul won't win. But I will stand by his side because of what he stands for. Protecting our freedoms and liberties because some day soon we won't have any.

[Snorri1234]

.I would be laughed at and probably put in jail for practicing my free speech.

...Yeah, sure you will.

[Frigidus]

.I would be laughed at and probably put in jail for practicing my free speech.

...Yeah, sure you will.

In this sense he would. For instance, if I went into the floor of the US Senate and tried to say my peace, they would say "Oh crap, how the hell did he get in here?" I would then be tackled and arrested. So a more accurate quote would be "The UN would be stunned at my entrance, and I would probably be put in jail for breaking and entering."

[luns101]

if I went into the floor of the US Senate and tried to say my peace, they would say "Oh crap, how the hell did he get in here?" I would then be tackled and arrested. So a more accurate quote would be "The UN would be stunned at my entrance, and I would probably be put in jail for breaking and entering."

In either case you could scream "Don't tase me, bro!" and end up on youtube. Who knows? Jay might even use you in one of his posts!

[Guiscard]

DaGip, I admire the fact that you can come out and admit to all of this...seriously. You took a solid look at Paul's statements and compared them historically to events (such as the Gulf of Tonkin incident). My suggestion to you is that you write down a set of principles that you personally believe in. Think through why you believe them to be better than other principles. Above all, know that no matter what, no one person is going to live up to all of them and you absolutely will be disappointed. I can't think of one person who I've supported politically who has never disappointed me.

As much as its tempting to flame flip-floppery, DaGip, Luns does have it right. At least you've seen sense in the lesser of your insanities (theother being 9/11 'truth'). Well done. It does take a lot to come out like this.

[unriggable]

Jay, the bible is bullshit, the guy you worship isn't even called Jesus.

[Frigidus]

Jay, the bible is bullshit, the guy you worship isn't even called Jesus.

We already have something like 5 threads on this kind of stuff, heheheh. No need to bring it up here.

[Ham]

You know, he's not the only candidate against the war.

Psah, they can't go and be voting for DEMOCRATS, can they? Everybody knows democrats are communists!

Srry for the delay in the reply.

Im not talking about just Iraq. Im talking about what his position is. U.S. forces out of all countries.

[Skittles!]

You know, he's not the only candidate against the war.

Psah, they can't go and be voting for DEMOCRATS, can they? Everybody knows democrats are communists!

Srry for the delay in the reply.

Im not talking about just Iraq. Im talking about what his position is. U.S. forces out of all countries.

And that's a bad thing?

[unriggable]

You know, he's not the only candidate against the war.

Psah, they can't go and be voting for DEMOCRATS, can they? Everybody knows democrats are communists!

Srry for the delay in the reply.

Im not talking about just Iraq. Im talking about what his position is. U.S. forces out of all countries.

And that's a bad thing?

Not great - South Korea would be fucked.

[muy_thaiguy]

You know, he's not the only candidate against the war.

Psah, they can't go and be voting for DEMOCRATS, can they? Everybody knows democrats are communists!

Srry for the delay in the reply.

Im not talking about just Iraq. Im talking about what his position is. U.S. forces out of all countries.

And that's a bad thing?

Not great - South Korea would be fucked.

To say the least.