Circumcision

[Gypsys Kiss]

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... ircumcized

this one?

[Snorri1234]

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21837&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=circumcized

this one?

The article in the first post doesn't exist anymore.

[Gypsys Kiss]

Sorry didnt check since my own todger is complete and I have no plans to modify it.

[Nickbaldwin]

Hygiene is not an excuse. If you can't be bothered to wash your wing wang after a jim jam, that's your fault, not your foreskin's.

[unriggable]

If you can't be bothered to wash your wing wang after a jim jam, that's your fault, not your foreskin's.

You should always wash it after jammin' with jim.

[bedub1]

If my wife at the time wanted to circumcise the boy, I'd vote to cut off the girls clit then.....

[hecter]

To all those people saying that they think it's ugly, can they receive oral sex, does hair grow on it, ect. ect., I'd love it if I was just able to post a picture of one for all you guys to see...

To everybody saying that it's unhygienic and it smells bad, let me just say: So do your feet if you never wash them.

And lastly, as a form of AIDS prevention, if it were *really* all that effective and if it matters so much, why hasn't AIDS spread like wildfire across Europe, where circumcision generally isn't even offered in hospitals any more? In fact, looking at this map:

HIV is MORE prevalent is the US than it is Europe. Look, getting part of your wanger isn't going to prevent you from getting AIDS, but putting one of those rubber things on Mr. Willie is.

[Spockers]

anyone who believes that "study" that keeps getting thrown around, is extremely gullible. Don't believe everything you hear.

[Fieryo]

To all those people saying that they think it's ugly, can they receive oral sex, does hair grow on it, ect. ect., I'd love it if I was just able to post a picture of one for all you guys to see...

To everybody saying that it's unhygienic and it smells bad, let me just say: So do your feet if you never wash them.

And lastly, as a form of AIDS prevention, if it were *really* all that effective and if it matters so much, why hasn't AIDS spread like wildfire across Europe, where circumcision generally isn't even offered in hospitals any more? In fact, looking at this map:

HIV is MORE prevalent is the US than it is Europe. Look, getting part of your wanger isn't going to prevent you from getting AIDS, but putting one of those rubber things on Mr. Willie is.

Circumcision is helpful in preventing AIDS if other safe sex practices are not being used, i.e. condoms. Europeans probably practice safe sex.

[Snorri1234]

Circumcision is helpful in preventing AIDS if other safe sex practices are not being used, i.e. condoms. Europeans probably practice safe sex.

Yeah we're phat like that.

[bellaraphon]

if you don't have safe sex, whether or not you have a circumcised penis, you are stupid.

[Snorri1234]

if you don't have safe sex, whether or not you have a circumcised penis, you are stupid.

Unless you want to get kids?

[Fieryo]

if you don't have safe sex, whether or not you have a circumcised penis, you are stupid.

Unless you want to get kids?

or HIV. I hear it's all the rage nowadays.

[Spockers]

Circumcision is helpful in preventing AIDS if other safe sex practices are not being used, i.e. condoms. Europeans probably practice safe sex.

No it isn't. Stop preaching rubbish.

[Snorri1234]

if you don't have safe sex, whether or not you have a circumcised penis, you are stupid.

Unless you want to get kids?

or HIV. I hear it's all the rage nowadays.

Yeah, I thought about getting it. But at the moment I'm still a bit undecided. The promised symptoms are nice, but at the moment I think gonorhea has the better market position.

[keiths31]

I am snipped...and so is my son.
I don't remember the "pain" when I had it done...and I just asked my 7 year son and he had no idea what I was talking about. SO I don't think he was traumatized.
Those that have their foreskin saying sex is better for them with it...how can you make that decision not having tried sex without it? When you do...then you can make that call.
It is a personal choice...just leave it at that.

[Snorri1234]

I am snipped...and so is my son.
I don't remember the "pain" when I had it done...and I just asked my 7 year son and he had no idea what I was talking about. SO I don't think he was traumatized.
Those that have their foreskin saying sex is better for them with it...how can you make that decision not having tried sex without it? When you do...then you can make that call.
It is a personal choice...just leave it at that.

Well obviously, the fact you lose nerve-endings when you get a circumcision would lead strongly to conclude sex is better with a foreskin.
I'm not going to try it out, as I value my penis more than being right on the internet.

But the pain argument only works when you're young and forget stuf easily. A full grown man who circumcises really is in for a lot of pain.

[Dancing Mustard]

I am snipped...and so is my son.
I don't remember the "pain" when I had it done...and I just asked my 7 year son and he had no idea what I was talking about. SO I don't think he was traumatized.
Those that have their foreskin saying sex is better for them with it...how can you make that decision not having tried sex without it?

I think that the same criticism can be levelled at your own particular faction...

Chat about 'its uglier' when you've never actually seen an uncircumcised penis, and saying sec 'is better' when you've never had sex using/with an uncircumcised wanger, etc.
It was a sensible point to make, but I can't help but feel you could have pointed the finger a little less arbitrarily.

It is a personal choice...just leave it at that.

Obviously, nobody here is saying that adult's shouldn't have the choice whether to amputate a chunk of their wing-wang. I take it you understand that...

The point is though, that it's not a 'personal choice' of a non-consenting infant; and that, viewed objectively, it seems somewhat barbaric for parents to direct surgeons to hack off a lump of their child's knob, just because they think it looks better.

Wouldn't it have been a little more humane of you to allow your son to make an informed decision about the future state of his genitalia when he finally reached adulthood, rather than mandating to him at birth how his body should look.
Put it this way, would it be inhumane to give your week old child a nose-job just because you thought she'd look prettier that way when she grew up? It wouldn't? Then how the hell is circumcision any different?

[keiths31]

I think that the same criticism can be levelled at your own particular faction...

Chat about 'its uglier' when you've never actually seen an uncircumcised penis, and saying sec 'is better' when you've never had sex using/with an uncircumcised wanger, etc.
It was a sensible point to make, but I can't help but feel you could have pointed the finger a little less arbitrarily.

I never called an uncircumcised one was uglier...I think all penis' are ugly equally. And I don't recall being part of a faction.

The point is though, that it's not a 'personal choice' of a non-consenting infant; and that, viewed objectively, it seems somewhat barbaric for parents to direct surgeons to hack off a lump of their child's knob, just because they think it looks better.

Wouldn't it have been a little more humane of you to allow your son to make an informed decision about the future state of his genitalia when he finally reached adulthood, rather than mandating to him at birth how his body should look.
Put it this way, would it be inhumane to give your week old child a nose-job just because you thought she'd look prettier that way when she grew up? It wouldn't? Then how the hell is circumcision any different?

Parents make choices for their children all the time...if they are going to be vegans for one. The child does not get to make this choice either.

But the pain argument only works when you're young and forget stuf easily. A full grown man who circumcises really is in for a lot of pain.

Won't deny that...

This is a matter of choice and I have never looked down on anyone or thought less of them or said their choice was wrong if they don't circumcise their kids.

[Snorri1234]

Parents make choices for their children all the time...if they are going to be vegans for one. The child does not get to make this choice either.

True. But the kid can later on decide he doesn't want to be a vegan, whereas the same cannot be said for circumcision.

[hecter]

Parents make choices for their children all the time...if they are going to be vegans for one. The child does not get to make this choice either.

True. But the kid can later on decide he doesn't want to be a vegan, whereas the same cannot be said for circumcision.

Sure you can, just... Stitch it back on...

[Neoteny]

Parents make choices for their children all the time...if they are going to be vegans for one. The child does not get to make this choice either.

True. But the kid can later on decide he doesn't want to be a vegan, whereas the same cannot be said for circumcision.

Sure you can, just... Stitch it back on...

Hospitals keep them around, you know. You never know when you need some foreskin.

[hecter]

Hospitals keep them around, you know. You never know when you need some foreskin.

I hear it's quite nice with some freshly roasted onions...

[Neoteny]

Hospitals keep them around, you know. You never know when you need some foreskin.

I hear it's quite nice with some freshly roasted onions...

Ha! Wasn't that on an episode of Friends? Wait...

[Dancing Mustard]

I never called an uncircumcised one was uglier...I think all penis' are ugly equally. And I don't recall being part of a faction.

I never said you did.
I simply said that the 'circumcision is awsum' crowd had said similar things, just like you accussed the 'circucision is uncool' tribe of saying the opposite. Understand what I meant now? Good.

Parents make choices for their children all the time...if they are going to be vegans for one. The child does not get to make this choice either.

Choosing what your child eats for a few years isn't quite the same thing as choosing whether to permanently remove a hunk of their anatomy. Circumcision is a painful, irreversable and intrusive procedure; selecting your child's lunch is not. See the difference there?
I'm not saying that adults can't consent to being circumcised, I'm just saying it's unfair to force the choice on children. No amount of smokescreens and false comparisons are going to change that fact. Sorry.

This is a matter of choice and I have never looked down on anyone or thought less of them or said their choice was wrong if they don't circumcise their kids.

Nobody ever denied that. But the real issue here seems to be whether it's right to force painful cosmetic surgery on children who don't consent to it. I'm not in the business of judging circumcised people simply because they're different to me, I'm here to discuss whether it's right to unecessarily operate on children and to permenantly remove a functional part of their anatomy which they have not chosen to part with.