Independence

[Aidan Kerr]

Its proven that Scotland wants independence we voted for a nationalist government. 55% of english want independence wales and we are on the brink of a united Ireland so i thinks it time for independence 251 years scotland has been a member of the uk we didnt get our voices heard there our forefathers fought for indepence william walllace robert the bruce. its time to get our independence england has stole our north sea oil and if it was put back into scottish treasury we would be in the top 10 of the richest nations. do you want independence and is there any our countries who want independence

[Guiscard]

Firstly, back up your statistics with links please.

Secondly, two thrids of people in Scotland voted for parties running on specifically unionist policies. Just because the nationalists formed a government doesn't make them in a majority on the issue specifically.

The Wales and and whole United Ireland thing are absolutely bizarre statements...

The historical references are interesting to say the least...

[darvlay]

And what tyranny do you face today that makes succession so imperative? I was under the impression that Scotland was an autonomous nation. Is it merely a matter of pride?

[Serbia]

I don't know, I thought the post was rather childish and hard to follow. Could you re-write it in adult language?

[LFAW]

Its proven that Scotland wants independence we voted for a nationalist government.

True

55% of english want independence wales

False, we just want to make Wales part of England again like it always was.

we are on the brink of a united Ireland

False. IRA are still at large and unless you abolish religion there you never will get a united Ireland.

so i thinks it time for independence 251 years scotland has been a member of the uk we didnt get our voices heard there our forefathers fought for indepence william walllace robert the bruce

If you are saying they fought for independence from the UK then false because the UK didn't exist then. If you mean independence from England then fair enough but your point is?

its time to get our independence

I don't see anyone normal wanting that... not even Alex Salmond as even he figured out how stupid Scotland would be to declare independence.

england has stole our north sea oil and if it was put back into scottish treasury we would be in the top 10 of the richest nations.

Lol are you having a laugh? You are Scotland, we get more money from banking every year in london then you ever would for your precious North Sea oil. As for 'top 10 richest nations' that is a dream that would never have come true.

do you want independence and is there any our countries who want independence

Nope. I am quite happy with living in the United Kingdom thankyou very much.

Cheers,
LFAW

[Aidan Kerr]

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/arti ... article.do
actually 68 percent of english said they want independence in recent poll that was printed to today in a londan paper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_independence
some information on everything to do with independence
http://independent-wales.blogspot.com/2 ... chive.html
wales independence information

[Aidan Kerr]

http://www.realmofscotland.com/Scotland_Resources.aspx
scottish oil figures

[Aidan Kerr]

do you not agree though that we should be given a right to vote.
I and why does the british tories policy in england is a referendum but scottish tories is no referendum same with the liberals i would have no problem if the referendum th voting majority said no but we should be given a chance to vote is'nt that the back-up excuse for the invasion of Iraq to give them demorcracy is'nt that rather hypercritical when they wont deliver this own their doorstep.

[Fieryo]

If California were to break away from the US it would be the fifth largest economy in the world. However, that number is reached by making certain assumptions about the continued relationship with the remaining 49 states.

Scottish independence is cute, but do you REALLY want it? 251 years of sucking England's teet might make it pretty hard to all of a sudden stop.

[Aidan Kerr]

Yes if you were invaded by russia in the cold war just say u were. what would stance be on a uprising nowadays

[Fieryo]

Seeing as how the Russians would have needed to use nukes, I'd say I'd be pretty radioactive...pissed, but mostly radioactive.

[Aidan Kerr]

okay you i agree nukes probs used. how about brittish or dutch still ruled you what would be your stance. or cannada invaded you in the 1940 as a poppet brittish invision.

[Dancing Mustard]

england has stole our north sea oil

This would be true if the United Nations Conventions on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOSs) didn't officially place the vast majority of 'Scottish' Oil as falling within England's nautical economically exclusive zone, essentially making it 'English Oil'.

It'd also be fair to claim money back on seperation, if the value of the nominal amount of extracted oil originally originating from within the Scottish EEZ wasn't grossly outweighed by the disproportionate amount of taxpayer's money per head which Scotland has skimmed from economic activity conducted exculsively within English territory (i.e. the 'City' of London).

In other words, the oil doesn't actually belong to Scotland in the first place, and Scotland in fact owes England more than the value of its share of any natural resources to which it is entitled. Also, Thistles are fucking gay.

If I were you Hamish, I'd stop watching Braveheart so much and pipe down a bit until you've done some research beyond the Scottish tabloids.

[Fieryo]

Let's distinguish between America being invaded 60 years ago when she was just becoming a world superpower and what is now Scotland being invaded centuries ago. I'm not mocking you or your idea, I've even taken a course which touched on internal UK politics. It's not as if England is an occupying army with an active Scottish partisan resistance. Could you get certain levels of autonomy, like say...a parliament? Sure. But will you be independent? Not any time soon.

[Norse]

england has stole our north sea oil

This would be true if the United Nations Conventions on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOSs) didn't officially place the vast majority of 'Scottish' Oil as falling within England's nautical economically exclusive zone, essentially making it 'English Oil'.

It'd also be fair to claim money back on seperation, if the value of the nominal amount of extracted oil originally originating from within the Scottish EEZ wasn't grossly outweighed by the disproportionate amount of taxpayer's money per head which Scotland has skimmed from economic activity conducted exculsively within English territory (i.e. the 'City' of London).

Mustard.....I'm gob-smacked.

Fair play to you sir!

[Fieryo]

england has stole our north sea oil

This would be true if the United Nations Conventions on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOSs) didn't officially place the vast majority of 'Scottish' Oil as falling within England's nautical economically exclusive zone, essentially making it 'English Oil'.

It'd also be fair to claim money back on seperation, if the value of the nominal amount of extracted oil originally originating from within the Scottish EEZ wasn't grossly outweighed by the disproportionate amount of taxpayer's money per head which Scotland has skimmed from economic activity conducted exculsively within English territory (i.e. the 'City' of London).

In other words, the oil doesn't actually belong to Scotland in the first place, and Scotland in fact owes England more than the value of its share of any natural resources to which it is entitled. Also, Thistles are fucking gay.

If I were you Hamish, I'd stop watching Braveheart so much and pipe down a bit until you've done some research beyond the Scottish tabloids.

Wouldn't it make it BRITISH oil?

[Norse]

Fieryo, go back and re-read the passage....you must stop skimming, lest you look like a fool.

[Fieryo]

My bad.

[Gypsys Kiss]

If you(Scotland) want indepedance I suggest you petition the Prime Minister. He is Scottish after all. Surely being the excellant Chancellor that he was he will see the economic sense in you being indepedant. But he wont support it will he? Why not? England would survive on her own, Scotland would struggle. This Mr Brown knows.

Personally I couldnt care less what happens but I do think we are better together.

[Aidan Kerr]

Fair play musturd great facts.
But the point that was made about english army invading well the UK nuclear war submarines trident unit is based in scotland against scottish people majority and the scottish sub parliament is banned from making Military decision in scotland or abroad.
and also if anyone states i am a snp supporter well that is not interally true as they believe we should keep the Queen like canada austrailia and the rest of some of the reformed Brittish Empire.
and also the basis of the prime minister you cannot be a Roman Calthoilic or any type of the branch Christiany only Church Of England Anglican are accept by HMS Elizabeth and the only country that actually states in their laws freedom of the head of state religion is the usa. so democracy is fundamentally wrong in Brittain

[bellaraphon]

yep i live in aus and personally i think it sucks that the queen is our head of state. we are thousands of kilometres away from the UK yet we've got this stupid figurehead sitting at the top of our government. she's even on our currency, i mean, what did the queen ever do to deserve this. and all this stuff that has to be passed through to the governor-general (the queen's representative) is ridiculous. i say give the leader we elect full power, not someone that was born into a "special" family or chosen by them.

[Neutrino]

yep i live in aus and personally i think it sucks that the queen is our head of state. we are thousands of kilometres away from the UK yet we've got this stupid figurehead sitting at the top of our government. she's even on our currency, i mean, what did the queen ever do to deserve this. and all this stuff that has to be passed through to the governor-general (the queen's representative) is ridiculous. i say give the leader we elect full power, not someone that was born into a "special" family or chosen by them.

What did the Queen do to deserve to be the figurehead of Britian...?

Essentially the Prime Minister does have full power. The Govenor-General has done something important precisely once in living memory. And look at how much fuss that caused.
It's really nothing more than a joke position designed to rubber stamp decisions. True, it technically has a lot of power, but no-one's ever going to try to use it again except in the direst of circumstances.

[bellaraphon]

yep i live in aus and personally i think it sucks that the queen is our head of state. we are thousands of kilometres away from the UK yet we've got this stupid figurehead sitting at the top of our government. she's even on our currency, i mean, what did the queen ever do to deserve this. and all this stuff that has to be passed through to the governor-general (the queen's representative) is ridiculous. i say give the leader we elect full power, not someone that was born into a "special" family or chosen by them.

What did the Queen do to deserve to be the figurehead of Britian...?

Essentially the Prime Minister does have full power. The Govenor-General has done something important precisely once in living memory. And look at how much fuss that caused.
It's really nothing more than a joke position designed to rubber stamp decisions. True, it technically has a lot of power, but no-one's ever going to try to use it again except in the direst of circumstances.

never said the figurehead of britain i said the figurehead of australia. what about gough whitlam, australia elected him but the governor-general kicked him out. democracy, hah! and i dont want to go to some parade just to see a rich governor-general parading around but in real life just signing paper. that is utter bullshit. and when i go to buy something in a shop i see this old woman on the back of my coin who is absolutely meaniless to me, let alone modern australia.

[Neutrino]

never said the figurehead of britain i said the figurehead of australia.

The Queen did precisely as much to be head of Britian as head of Australia: be born. That's hereditary monarchy for you.

what about gough whitlam, australia elected him but the governor-general kicked him out. democracy, hah! and i dont want to go to some parade just to see a rich governor-general parading around but in real life just signing paper. that is utter bullshit. and when i go to buy something in a shop i see this old woman on the back of my coin who is absolutely meaniless to me, let alone modern australia.

Then you're against bureaucracy and virtually every government in the world. There are very few politicians who's entire reason for existence is not to parade around and sign inconsequential pieces of paper.

[bellaraphon]

see my message below