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Yes, I know today is the 6th, but it'll already be the 7th before I would have a chance to post this.

Posted: 07 Dec 2006 00:00 Post subject: Pearl Harbor Day - December 7th

Good timing!

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For all the soldiers who died that day God bless them and there familys

I would say a quote but everyone already knows what it is and the only other good quote I can think of was Churchhill referring to the British fighting off the German air raids.

I will say this, I don't think the world has every had 2 more capable leaders in office at the same time.

hourman wrote:For all the soldiers who died that day God bless them and there familys

i agree, BUT if it were not for pearl harbour you americans would not have got involved and i would be writing this in german.

say what you like of that i mean it in no bad or disrespectful way

yes, you speak the truth...and i totally agree...if it weren't for pearl harbor, we wouldn't have gotten involved...at least, for a while, and then it might have been to late

god bless the soldiers. and it truly is a day that will live in infamy, especially if you were in Japan.

i dont think that the japanese r 2 proud of 2morrow since its the reason we dropped 2 A-Bombs on them

that's exactly what i mean

God Bless

goddess bless

whatever you believe in bless. if your a scientologist (cuz we all know that Tom and Katie are CCers) science bless. and for athiests, well, uh, you guys can come up with something right? i don't know enough about your lack of religion to come up with something



and yes, i'm pretty sure scientology has nothing to do with worshipping science, but i had to say it

i see...just felt that overwhelming urge, did you?

yeah, especially after remembering that line from Talledega Nights!

ya even if peral harbor didnt happen i agree we wouldnt be in world war two for a while but with our supreme industrial power would overwhelm them hitler was scared of this. it may have took longer and many more lives would perish but still germany would have fallen and japan would be next.

I'm just impressed there were responses to this.

Yeah, GB probably wouldn't have stood much longer under the German attacks if the US hadn't become fully involved though I have to hand it to you guys you put up a heck of a fight.

Have you ever been to Pearl Harbor, Poet? Last time I was there, I went to the Arizona Memorial and viewed a documentary on the events that transpired on that 'day of infamy'. It was unsettling to realize that so many of the sailors that died that day still lied in that underwater, steely coffin directly beneath my feet...I've rarely felt such a profound sense of loss, anger, and patriotism simultaneously...to say that it had a lasting "effect" on me would be a vast understatement.

yes, i've been there too, and it was very sad, but it had a reaaallllyyyy long wait to get over to the memorial. or at least it seemed like it when i was a kid.

trestain wrote:

hourman wrote:For all the soldiers who died that day God bless them and there familys

i agree, BUT if it were not for pearl harbour you americans would not have got involved and i would be writing this in german.

say what you like of that i mean it in no bad or disrespectful way

The U.S. was all but officially at war already at the time of Pearl Harbor, in that the amount of aid the U.S. was sending to Britain was staggering. If you subscribe to the conspiracy theories (which I don't), Roosevelt knew that an attack was imminent but declined to do anything (save for making sure the fleet carriers were not present) to give him a cassus belli for intervention in the war.

Had Pearl Harbor not occurred, the U.S., I believe, would have still entered the war. Regardless, I don't think Britain was ever in danger of falling after the Battle of Britain was won and Sealion cancelled. The difference between Hitler's march to Paris in six weeks and the subsequent capitulation by the cheese-eating surrender monkeys and the brave fight the British mounted by themselves for nearly 2 years is mind boggling. I will forever have profound respect for the way the British held out against Nazi Germany, alone, and nothing but contempt for the French collaborators who folded in less than 2 months.

spring1 wrote:Have you ever been to Pearl Harbor, Poet? Last time I was there, I went to the Arizona Memorial and viewed a documentary on the events that transpired on that 'day of infamy'. It was unsettling to realize that so many of the sailors that died that day still lied in that underwater, steely coffin directly beneath my feet...I've rarely felt such a profound sense of loss, anger, and patriotism simultaneously...to say that it had a lasting "effect" on me would be a vast understatement.

It is indeed a solemn and heart-wrenching experience.

On a lighter note, I always laugh when I think of the story my sister told me when I was there visiting. She was in the Navy at the time and said that a Japanese tourist had mistakenly turned into CinCPac HQ which was close to the memorial. The Japanese tourist asked the Marine guard on duty where the Arizona was. The Marine motioned across the street and said, "Over there, right where you left it."

P Gizzle wrote:and for athiests, well, uh, you guys can come up with something right? i don't know enough about your lack of religion to come up with something

We just say "Well done gentlemen". No fairy tales needed.

DogDoc wrote:

trestain wrote:

hourman wrote:For all the soldiers who died that day God bless them and there familys

i agree, BUT if it were not for pearl harbour you americans would not have got involved and i would be writing this in german.

say what you like of that i mean it in no bad or disrespectful way

The U.S. was all but officially at war already at the time of Pearl Harbor, in that the amount of aid the U.S. was sending to Britain was staggering. If you subscribe to the conspiracy theories (which I don't), Roosevelt knew that an attack was imminent but declined to do anything (save for making sure the fleet carriers were not present) to give him a cassus belli for intervention in the war.

Had Pearl Harbor not occurred, the U.S., I believe, would have still entered the war. Regardless, I don't think Britain was ever in danger of falling after the Battle of Britain was won and Sealion cancelled. The difference between Hitler's march to Paris in six weeks and the subsequent capitulation by the cheese-eating surrender monkeys and the brave fight the British mounted by themselves for nearly 2 years is mind boggling. I will forever have profound respect for the way the British held out against Nazi Germany, alone, and nothing but contempt for the French collaborators who folded in less than 2 months.

If I remember right, the US had been wondering if an attack on the US, particularly PH, would be coming, but I doubt that he would ignore it. Though, Lincoln if I remember right did make a move with FT. Sumter that got the US into the Civil War (I think it was unavoidable at that point anyways). The real damage came into play when the US ignored signs of the attacks that could have at least had the people there prepared for an attack. It actually reminds me of the confederacy leading up to Gettysburg.

But yes the British did do an outstanding job. I do not think that they could have defeated the Nazis by themselves though and probably would have been taken over in the long run if not for US and Soviet intervention in the war.

The conspiracy theory goes that we knew it was coming, we knew when, where, and even the key to the coded messages.

Personally, I subscribe to the version of this theory that says we let it happen because everyone believed it was all a sham and no attack was going to take place. Sounds more correct to our government, given its history.