CC atheists!

by **Gregrios** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:36 pm

Atheists of CC, what's your deal anyway?

I mean seriously, why are you guys so determined to hold on to a fantasy that gives humans no credit whatsoever? :shock:

Basically you're saying that our very existence is a big mistake caused by a big black hole. :roll:

Did I miss anything? :ugeek:

....or is this just the opinion you have on CC? 8-)

by **MeDeFe** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:41 pm

Wrong forum?

Or are you talking metaphorically about what we think of the website or something?

by **owenshooter** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:42 pm

Gregrios wrote:Atheists of CC, what's your deal anyway?

I mean seriously, why are you guys so determined to hold on to a fantasy that gives humans no credit whatsoever?

what? do you even understand what you just posted? how does believing in god give humans credit? huh? what? i really hope they don't respond to this. it just makes no sense... what are you trying to say?!!-0

by **Visaoni** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:43 pm

Gregrios wrote:Atheists of CC, what's your deal anyway?

I mean seriously, why are you guys so determined to hold on to a fantasy that gives humans no credit whatsoever?

Basically you're saying that our very existence is a big mistake caused by a big black hole.

Did I miss anything?

....or is this just the opinion you have on CC?

So being created by a supernatural force that demands certain behavior and believes (with no proof) or you go to a place of eternal torture gives humans more credit? :lol:

I think I prefer the mistake. Besides, not everything has to be related to us somehow. Your thinking was part of the believe the sun rotated around us. And you might want to brush up on your science. A black hole has never been known to throw out any sort of matter. That is why they call it a black hole you know, not even light escapes. Much less all the matter in the universe.

by **_42** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:45 pm

i am an atheist and proud because of that

even tough i dont like to be treated like - a, or anti, or...whatever

cause i think religious people are those which should be named : anti-normal, adarwinist or whatever..

so... yes
we are animals
animals with slightly improved morale areas of the brain

whatever...nevermind

flamewars
8-)

by **Gregrios** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:46 pm

MeDeFe wrote:Wrong forum?

Not quite as this specificly concerns CC atheists.

by **Gregrios** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:50 pm

owenshooter wrote:
Gregrios wrote:Atheists of CC, what's your deal anyway?

I mean seriously, why are you guys so determined to hold on to a fantasy that gives humans no credit whatsoever?

how does believing in god give humans credit?

Are you seriously asking that question?

Well it's simple. A world under God has extreme purpose opposed to a world under nothing but our own assumptions and opinions has no real purpose at all.

....but the point of this thread is not to hear my opinion. The point is to hear the opinion of atheists on CC. [-X

Next!

by **Gregrios** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:57 pm

Visaoni wrote:
Gregrios wrote:Atheists of CC, what's your deal anyway?

I mean seriously, why are you guys so determined to hold on to a fantasy that gives humans no credit whatsoever?

Basically you're saying that our very existence is a big mistake caused by a big black hole.

Did I miss anything?

....or is this just the opinion you have on CC?

So being created by a supernatural force that demands certain behavior and believes (with no proof) or you go to a place of eternal torture gives humans more credit?
I think I prefer the mistake. Besides, not everything has to be related to us somehow. Your thinking was part of the believe the sun rotated around us. And you might want to brush up on your science. A black hole has never been known to throw out any sort of matter. That is why they call it a black hole you know, not even light escapes. Much less all the matter in the universe.

Why do you so desperately hold on to a theory that has more holes in it than a donut shop?

by **Smokingdude420** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:58 pm

Christianity - The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat an apple from a magical tree ... yeah, makes perfect sense

by **Gregrios** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:03 pm

Smokingdude420 wrote:Christianity - The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat an apple from a magical tree ... yeah, makes perfect sense

What a brilliant way to explain yourself. :roll:

Next time, try using that thing in your head called a brain and bring forth some of your own opinions about your beliefs instead of taking the cowards way out by only addressing the beliefs of others.

by **OnlyAmbrose** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:06 pm

What on EARTH is this doing in GD? :shock:

This is the "brag about how many 'top 5' lists your on" forum, not the "wow everyone with your witty one-liner philosophies" forum

by **Smokingdude420** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:09 pm

well before you try to belittle and try to point out faults in someone else beliefs try studying yours a little more first because Christians have way more faults in there religion then any other I've read about [-X

by **Matroshka** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:12 pm

Smokingdude420 wrote::lol: well before you try to belittle and try to point out faults in someone else beliefs try studying yours a little more first because Christians have way more faults in there religion then any other I've read about

You must not have heard of Scientology.

And this really doesn't belong in GD.

by **Curmudgeonx** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:22 pm

You know, if only CC wasn't a moderator short, this would have probably been moved by now.

by **Smokingdude420** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:24 pm

Matroshka wrote:
Smokingdude420 wrote::lol: well before you try to belittle and try to point out faults in someone else beliefs try studying yours a little more first because Christians have way more faults in there religion then any other I've read about

You must not have heard of Scientology.

And this really doesn't belong in GD.

Scientology isn't a religion is was made by a science fiction writer anyone who really believes that its a religion or real has got to be one loopy SOB

by **retrocrush** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:29 pm

Because it's clear that human beings wrote The Bible and have continued to add to it, twist it around to meet their needs. Faith is hoping stuff is real. I have faith in what I can see and touch and is incredibly likely to happen.

God could end a lot of pain by intervening in the world's affairs, but wants millions to die of starvation, war, and disease because we just need to have faith? Nah, can't buy that. He's that detached yet gets mad if we use his name in vain? He's all knowing and wise, yet he killed off nearly everyone in the world with a giant flood, only to promise never to do it again and turn the other cheek via the more loving teachings of his "son".

Why did God have to flood the world anyway? Couldn't he have just snapped his fingers and made all the bad people disappear? It's not like he had to teach the people he killed a lesson. It would have saved the innocent slaughter of millions of animals, that's for sure. Same goes for Soddom and Gommorah getting burned to the ground. God's carbon footprint is way too big.

by **mandalorian2298** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:56 pm

Gregrios wrote:Atheists of CC, what's your deal anyway?

I mean seriously, why are you guys so determined to hold on to a fantasy that gives humans no credit whatsoever?

Basically you're saying that our very existence is a big mistake caused by a big black hole.

Did I miss anything?

....or is this just the opinion you have on CC?

Atheists just oppose the belief that a delusion, when shared by a large enough number of people, becomes a truth.

by **qeee1** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:00 pm

get this out of my general discussion.

by **Matroshka** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:05 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
Atheists just oppose the belief that a delusion, when shared by a large enough number of people, becomes a truth.

I would also. It's the "delusion" part of your statement that is the issue.

by **yeti_c** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:29 pm

This is genius...

retrocrush wrote:God's carbon footprint is way too big.

C.

by **mandalorian2298** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:53 pm

Matroshka wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:
Atheists just oppose the belief that a delusion, when shared by a large enough number of people, becomes a truth.

I would also. It's the "delusion" part of your statement that is the issue.

Wikipedia wrote:A delusion is commonly defined as a fixed false belief and is used in everyday language to describe a belief that is either false, fanciful or derived from deception.

Delusion shared by most religious people is most commonly derived from one of two sources: fear of death (or of being punished in the afterlife) or from the unwillingness to investigate the true nature of the world that surrounds them.

Religious institutions install into the minds of their flock the fear of the divine retribution. The reason why priests often put emphasis on indoctrinating the children lies in the fact that people, theoretically at least, become smarter over time, which decreases the probability that they can be thought to believe in something that is not supported by evidence. Instead of evidence, priest offer promises of a pleasant 'afterlife' for the faithful and threaten those who fail to accept their teachings. Religious people are one of the most obvious examples that support Wizards First Rule.

The other cause of religious beliefs lies in the human need to explain the the world around us. But, coming up with an explanation of the world that is based on logic and facts requires a great deal of time and effort. There are people (some of whom are religious) who spend their whole life exploring the world or contemplating the things that they know or believe, constantly testing their beliefs in the effort to separate that which could be true from that which they know to be true and discarding all that has been proven false. Those people are commonly referred called 'philosophers' - the lovers of wisdom.

On the other hand we have people who have an equal need for explanations but a far lesser amount of ability or will to deduce those explanations from facts. Those people live according to belief expressed in Gregrios' opening post: an explanation, no matter how unfounded or paradoxical is better then no explanation. As a consequence of this belief, those people attempt to hold on to the same set set of convictions throughout their lives. Not only do they fail to test their beliefs - they resent anyone who points out the logical or factual errors of those beliefs. Some of them go as far as actually trying to bend the rules of logic in an attempt to 'prove' their belief. Most recent example of this is an attempt to promote 'Creationism' to the status of a scientific theory. "Creationism is a religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe were created in their original form by a deity (often the Abrahamic God of Judaism, Christianity and Islam) or deities, whose existence is presupposed." (quoted from Wikipedia) Their only 'proof' of this theory lies in the definition of God as the all-powerful source of everything that has been, is or will be. The problem of this theory is that it does not prove the existence of this God, but instead defines the term 'God' in such broad terms that he, should he exist, would be the cause behind everything. However, the mere fact that a being of such power can be imagined does not prove it's existence (if you don't believe this, then you better look out for the dragon that COULD at any moment appear out of nowhere and eat you

). Also, Creationism is unable to reliably predict the results of, well, anything (unlike the Theory of Evolution or science of genetics), which is a determining characteristic of a scientific theory. Despite all of this, many people are trying really hard to defend their belief in Creationism, despite the fact that they could dedicate that same amount of time and effort into exploring or contemplating the real world.
This habit of preferring to believe in something that is in no way proved to exist over believing in a less reassuring but proven facts is the reason why I described religion as a form of delusion.

by **Gregrios** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:59 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
Gregrios wrote:Atheists of CC, what's your deal anyway?

I mean seriously, why are you guys so determined to hold on to a fantasy that gives humans no credit whatsoever?

Basically you're saying that our very existence is a big mistake caused by a big black hole.

Did I miss anything?

....or is this just the opinion you have on CC?

Atheists just oppose the belief that a delusion, when shared by a large enough number of people, becomes a truth.

....but why do you cling to this opinion when the exact same can be said about disbelief? :^o

by **Dancing Mustard** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:03 pm

Gregrios wrote:why are you guys so determined to hold on to a fantasy that gives humans no credit whatsoever?

(1) Because it's not a fantasy
(2) Because your alternative fantasy is even more pointless (and implausible)
(3) Because we aren't self-doubting, insecure, unimaginative cattle that need some old fairy-tale to give us 'credit' simply for living.

In other words: "Our belief system brings all the boys to the yard. Damn right, it's better than yours."

by **Matroshka** on Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:10 pm

I didn't read all of that, but I can tell it doesn't have anything to do with what I said.

I was just pointing out that your statement makes some sense. Nobody should just accept anything, much less a delusion, as truth just because many others believe it to be so. Atheists have already decided that religion is a delusion though. So you statement doesn't need to go that far. You basically said that Atheists don't believe in religion, which is what Atheism is.