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29,000 dead every day

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:00 am
by Littleditty
29,000 people die just from starvation every day and there is enough food and resources for no one to go hungry and it is simply a problem of getting it to them in places like Africa and South Asia. So many of the starving are children many under 5 and so many children under 1 years old die every day. 854 million people are hungry nearly 3 times the US population. In 2004 nearly 1 billion people earned less than a dollar a day since then that number has increased. Over 820 million people are undernourished and more become every day. The good news is you can help go to www.worldvision.org to help out with donations and if you want to sponsor a child then come back here and tell us about him or her, if you're already sponsoring a child or have a story I would love to hear it.

Re: 29,000 dead every day

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:48 am
by radiojake
Sponsering through a Christian run charity programme wont help anything long term. It puts on a bandaid while ignoring the real problem of a globalised econonmy where the first world makes millions of the back of the third world

I used to donate to world vision, but i don't anymore, it only serves to re-interate the misconception that charity is the only thing that can help.

But at the same time, it does help anyone (including myself) remove a bit of that middle class guilt that is so easily marketed these days

Re: 29,000 dead every day

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:19 am
by Ntetos
I donate in Unicef. If the money I give help someone then I think it's worthy. What drives me crazy, however is when the church raises money to give for missionary in a poor country in Africa. They sent in school some envelopes and say give us money for the poor to make them Christians. And then they probably steal most of the money. This year my school adopted a kid from Nepal.

Re: 29,000 dead every day

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:51 am
by Ditocoaf
Frankly, there are too many people. Any population goes up until it goes above it's natural limit in its habitat, then falls sharply below, until eventually leveling out (generally, of course). Humanity is now far above the world's ability to hold us. We've managed to raise the limit with the power of oil, but eventually we won't be able to keep the pace of technology up with the pace of population growth. What's disgusting to me is how it's still considered a good ideal to have as many children as possible. Anybody who declares that they don't want to have a bunch of children is treated as if they just physically strangled their newborn babies.

Re: 29,000 dead every day

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:29 am
by Minister Masket
I think an ironic thing is that if the World Wars didn't happen, the population would be much higher than it would today.
War playes a part.

Re: 29,000 dead every day

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:32 am
by Nobunaga
... If these nations teeming with the hungry were all ruled by benevolent governments, distributing aid and food would be easy.

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Re: 29,000 dead every day

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:50 am
by radiojake
Nobunaga wrote:... If these nations teeming with the hungry were all ruled by benevolent governments, distributing aid and food would be easy.

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If nations were allowed to keep their elected leaders in power and not have a CIA backed coup that puts dictators in power so that multinational corporations can gain a free trade agreement, I'm sure they would be all better off aswell

Re: 29,000 dead every day

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:35 am
by albertq
transporting food to africa would contribute to global warming. bad plan i say.

Re: 29,000 dead every day

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:23 pm
by DaGip
Nobunaga wrote:... If these nations teeming with the hungry were all ruled by benevolent governments, distributing aid and food would be easy.

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Exactly, food aide that gets shipped to foreign countries from the USA often does not get distributed to the people that need it. It gets confiscated by the military and/or put on the market and sold, then the people who really need either don't get it or they have to pay enormous amounts of money to buy it (which is almost the same as not getting it).

There will always be starving people, I say work with your local communities in helping starving people in your own regions first. And by just giving communities or countries food is not the solid answer we are looking for. Too often the USA gives out so much food that the countries that have been receiving the aide for generations begin to forget how to provide for themselves. The best thing to do, in my opinion, is to establish a sufficient agricultural based program via some type of Peace Corpse effort that trains communities to provide those types of resources themselves, in addition to providing humanitarian aide in the form of communal infrastructure.

But the key is the oppressive governments that are in place and not allowing the aide to get to its people. At some point the surrounding communities will have to get involved on their own merit and solve these problems on their own. It shouldn't necessarily be entirely up to the US to provide all these things.

I would say that if the government is friendly towards American policy, that we should offer help in the form of a Peace Corpse effort to help civil engineer a working system that would provide the needed resources, but refrain from providing all the food and resources. Offering knowledge and education as one of the most important resources, just not handing out bags of rice or GMO corn.

But in dealing with a hostile government towards American policy, I would recommend that the issue should be left up to the local communities that are either part or surround such said hostile government. In such a fashion, the people from such a hostile government could possibly learn from localized emulation.

The most important aspect is forming a peaceful trade relationship with all these nations, and keep our noses out as much as possible. What's so bad about trading? Surely all governments (friendly or oppressive) have some sort of resources of which to offer us? We are, after all, considered a capitalist nation. Then our policies should reflect that.