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Sorry gals, its true...

Well duh?

Well, that's just demonstrably untrue, as we all know soccer is football

I played soccer from 1st to 7th grade, but then I started having a lot of problems with my knees by the 8th grade. So football was out of the question, though I have found it to be more exciting to watch then soccer. In other words, I'm indecisive at this point in time.

Its not up for debate, it is a fact

Lucky Se7en wrote:Its not up for debate, it is a fact

Exactly what I was saying

The great thing about playing soccer growing up is that, say when you get to college and realize you can't play with the big boys, you can play other sports. The football body doesn't really translate to anything besides football.

If you mean American football I will shake my head in disgust and leave this thread feeling quite sad

Comparing american football and soccer is like comparing apples and peanut butter jelly time.
It really doesn`t make a lot of sense, and the only arguments anyone can bring is their own personal opinion, which makes for a really crappy debate(that`s already been done way, way to many times).

American football vs Rugby though, there might be something to discuss there, eh?

Haggis_McMutton wrote:Comparing american football and soccer is like comparing apples and peanut butter jelly time.
It really doesn`t make a lot of sense, and the only arguments anyone can bring is their own personal opinion, which makes for a really crappy debate(that`s already been done way, way to many times).

American football vs Rugby though, there might be something to discuss there, eh?

True. Though I must honestly say it is more exciting to watch American Football then soccer, live or otherwise.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

Haggis_McMutton wrote:Comparing american football and soccer is like comparing apples and peanut butter jelly time.
It really doesn`t make a lot of sense, and the only arguments anyone can bring is their own personal opinion, which makes for a really crappy debate(that`s already been done way, way to many times).

American football vs Rugby though, there might be something to discuss there, eh?

True. Though I must honestly say it is more exciting to watch American Football then soccer, live or otherwise.

I don't get American Football all the much. The whole 'stop, start, stop, stop, talk and work out a play, timeout, stop, start - it gets a bit boring. European Football is definitely a lot more skillful. Then there is my personal favourite, Australian Rules Football, but that's probably just because I've grown up with it. I'm sure there is a direct correlation between most people's allegiances to their particular football code and where they happen to live (or were brought up), so the whole debate is rather stupid and will merely turn into a 'my countries sport is better than yours' - or whatever

Haggis_McMutton wrote:Comparing american football and soccer is like comparing apples and peanut butter jelly time.
It really doesn`t make a lot of sense, and the only arguments anyone can bring is their own personal opinion, which makes for a really crappy debate(that`s already been done way, way to many times).

American football vs Rugby though, there might be something to discuss there, eh?

Its not even a discussion, Rugby is clearly the superior sport...especially when played by South Africa, heheh

Yeah, but which rugby?

Obviously league for all you idiots.

american football is boring

edwinissweet wrote:american football is boring

That is not entirey true but it is clearly nowhere near football (american soccer). I will try to argue that Football is the best team sport to watch and to play

1) It is extremely dynamic (the weak spot of american f), has the long build up (without a goal) and then extreme moments of excignment (goal) like a good horror movie. The latter is a shortcoming of basketball (how exciting can it be to score 100 times in an hour?).

2) It is very unpredictable. A much weaker team has always a chance. (Compare to basketball or ice hockey!!) In essense, it is a bit of a lottery that makes it exceiting.

3) It has the most multinational appeal as nearly all nations play!!! No team sport is even close footie's international appeal.

4) It has a very low entry requirement, both in terms of skills (compare to volleybal) and equipment (compare to ice hockey)

5) It is a very tactical team game, where an idividual makes all the difference but cannot really win a game on his own!!

Today I watched Czech Rep v. Turkey, then US v. Barbados, and this exact debate entered my mind independently several times. I think the problem that a lot of US Americans have with soccer is that it has the potential to be really boring compared to our three other favorite games (basketball, football, and baseball). Scoring is just a lot less common, and scoring is the most exciting moment in all four of these sports, I reckon.

Czech Republic v. Turkey today gave an incredible edge to soccer over football. Coming so far so late in the game is just effectively impossible in football. I gotta say, it was one of the most exciting sports games I've seen in a long while.

Then, about an hour later, I watched US v. Barbados and got a sick feeling in my stomach. I was so ashamed of the US picking on a small Caribbean country (hah!)! In football, the tradition is, if you're tearing someone to shreds, you let up. Yet, in soccer tournament play, there's a great incentive to never let up. Moreover, I think the value to an INDIVIDUAL scoring in soccer is much greater than in football. Since, as I mentioned in the first paragraph, scoring is less common, a goal scored for a soccer player is much more valuable to their lifelong career than a goal scored for a football player, no matter the competitive setting.

could you all stop calling it soccer, it's name is Football, a game where you mainly use your feet. we invented it and did nt steal the concept from another sport, unlike American nicked the concept from Rugby. but thought it is to hard to go forward whilst only being able to throw the ball backwards. so well throw it forward and make it easier for Americans.

btownmeggy wrote:Today I watched Czech Rep v. Turkey, then US v. Barbados, and this exact debate entered my mind independently several times. I think the problem that a lot of US Americans have with soccer is that it has the potential to be really boring compared to our three other favorite games (basketball, football, and baseball). Scoring is just a lot less common, and scoring is the most exciting moment in all four of these sports, I reckon.

But goals come from teamwork, passing, movement, creating space... there is so much more to football than just scoring. Holland have scored plenty of goals in Euro 08 but watching them move the ball around has been a joy, too.

has anyone watched much australian football?

Just wondering what you think of it and how it rates compared to the code you follow most

btownmeggy wrote:Today I watched Czech Rep v. Turkey, then US v. Barbados, and this exact debate entered my mind independently several times. I think the problem that a lot of US Americans have with soccer is that it has the potential to be really boring compared to our three other favorite games (basketball, football, and baseball). Scoring is just a lot less common, and scoring is the most exciting moment in all four of these sports, I reckon.

Czech Republic v. Turkey today gave an incredible edge to soccer over football. Coming so far so late in the game is just effectively impossible in football. I gotta say, it was one of the most exciting sports games I've seen in a long while.

Then, about an hour later, I watched US v. Barbados and got a sick feeling in my stomach. I was so ashamed of the US picking on a small Caribbean country (hah!)! In football, the tradition is, if you're tearing someone to shreds, you let up. Yet, in soccer tournament play, there's a great incentive to never let up. Moreover, I think the value to an INDIVIDUAL scoring in soccer is much greater than in football. Since, as I mentioned in the first paragraph, scoring is less common, a goal scored for a soccer player is much more valuable to their lifelong career than a goal scored for a football player, no matter the competitive setting.

if you werent so sh*te at it and had good skill level like the premier league/la liga, then u might like it.

i was talking to an american and we had this conv. he said that real football doesnt require much skill, so i shown him goals by the likes of Bergkamp, Van Basten, Thierry Henry, Torres, Ronaldinho, Aguero and more and he said....

Kyle wrote:Ok, it rules when played by decent players, but we only see crappy players

and guess what, he now watches la liga and premiership games all the time

That Czech vs Turkey was awesome. That's what soccer is about.

wheres the euro 2008 topic gone?

Football is better than soccer

It's a better name for a great sport. That's for sure.

I enjoy all sports because I've discarded preconceived notions of national and cultural superiority. I can see positive and negative aspects of all forms of sport and thoroughly enjoy the spirit of competition and good well that these games foster.

I call soccer "soccer" because it avoids confusion in reference to sports that people I generally talk to observe. Piss off you elitist pricks.

heavycola wrote:But goals come from teamwork, passing, movement, creating space... there is so much more to football than just scoring. Holland have scored plenty of goals in Euro 08 but watching them move the ball around has been a joy, too.

Duh, same can be said for American football (where scoring is still less common than in basketball or baseball), but get real: You don't scream the same way during a great pass as you do during a great goal.

sam_levi_11 wrote:if you werent so sh*te at it and had good skill level like the premier league/la liga, then u might like it.

Well, I will NEVER be at the premier league level. Maybe la liga, if I really apply myself.

Neoteny wrote:I enjoy all sports because I've discarded preconceived notions of national and cultural superiority. I can see positive and negative aspects of all forms of sport and thoroughly enjoy the spirit of competition and good well that these games foster.

I call soccer "soccer" because it avoids confusion in reference to sports that people I generally talk to observe. Piss off you elitist pricks.

Yes, and yes.