Conquer Club

I have been having a debate over this footage on YouTube for a month or so. It seems the BBC has footage of the Israeli mission inside Syria to bomb military targets. At first glance, the objects look like real UFOs and then I read some of the skeptics. At first, I started to side with the skeptics on this footage, as they were saying the objects were jettisoned fuel reserve tanks from under the jets wings.

I looked at the footage, and sure enough, the fuel tanks are similar in shape to the blurry object (s) in the video. So I thought that was proof enough for me that this footage was not a real UFO, but indeed fuel tanks being dropped from jets above, but then, one of the Tubers I was debating this point to told me that jets wouldn't just drop fuel tanks above other jets heads, and also, that the supposed fuel tank is falling not in between the jets, but in FRONT of the jets! Which means the object would be larger than the jet!

So I looked at the footage until I could stop it just at the right point (about 0:53 and 0:57 on the YouTube vid and 0:31 on the original BBC vid, I will include both links so you can judge for yourselves), and sure enough, the Tuber was right! You can actually see the wing of the jet in FRONT of the UFO!

But nobody is talking about this video, why? Oh yeah, that's right, Tony Blaire told the Brits and the world that UFOs do not exist...ha ha! What a twit.

http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/ ... recipe=all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV8japFYbHw

No.

Are you openly suggesting that these tubes are alien craft? Or that they could be something military related, just something unidentified?

Juan_Bottom wrote:Are you openly suggesting that these tubes are alien craft? Or that they could be something military related, just something unidentified?

I don't have the foggiest, but it is quite clear that the craft flies in front of the jet.

Well, it seems that at the end of the clip, the larger object takes a dramatic jerk downward in an unrealistic fashion. I say nay to both the jettisoned tanks and the tubes...

Hey Da Gip, you know about Project Blue Beam right? Well, I found this clip and with the "we have to convert to HD TV by 2/2009" I wonder if there may be a correlation here...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtwjZQlrw2Y&feature=related

jay_a2j wrote:Hey Da Gip, you know about Project Blue Beam right? Well, I found this clip and with the "we have to convert to digital TV by 2/2009" I wonder if there may be a correlation here...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtwjZQlrw2Y&feature=related

Not digital, it's high definition. It's been on many TVs in the form of stickers and Bresnan has announced that if you are using Bresnan Cable, then you don't have to worry about getting a high def TV.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:Hey Da Gip, you know about Project Blue Beam right? Well, I found this clip and with the "we have to convert to digital TV by 2/2009" I wonder if there may be a correlation here...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtwjZQlrw2Y&feature=related

Not digital, it's high definition. It's been on many TVs in the form of stickers and Bresnan has announced that if you are using Bresnan Cable, then you don't have to worry about getting a high def TV.

Just bought one.

Look carefully, It is just a couple of small chinks in the cockpit canopy. If you look at them, they stay in exact relation to the ground. Take the second one for instance, when it jerks backwards you can also see the ground jerk the same way. The cameras are made to see through glass, but not through cracks like that, so it creates the effect that the mark is flying alongside the jet they're videoing.

Balsiefen wrote:Look carefully, It is just a couple of small chinks in the cockpit canopy. If you look at them, they stay in exact relation to the ground. Take the second one for instance, when it jerks backwards you can also see the ground jerk the same way. The cameras are made to see through glass, but not through cracks like that, so it creates the effect that the mark is flying alongside the jet they're videoing.

I have scanned through these videos a hundred times. It has been argued that those are just blemishes in the canopy, but the counter argument is: why would a blemish be in front of the jet being filmed?

I was with the skeptics on this one, until the point was made to look at the fact the larger object passes in front of the jet and not between the jet and the camera. If it was a blemish, or a fuel reserve, then you would expect those objects to be seen passing behind the jet being filmed as opposed to being in front.

Unless BBC is faking footage, I would say that something strange is happening in the skies around Israel.

Believe me, I am really trying hard to find an explanation, but when I viewed the video frame by frame and stopped it just as the object was converging on the position of the jet, I am at a loss of words. It is quite clear that the jet is behind the large object.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIEbcmFzICE&NR=1

Kaplowitz wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIEbcmFzICE&NR=1

Did you see all those bad actors running and looking up at the sky, not even looking at the direction the UFOs are coming from? Yeah, that one is a fake. Not the best fake that I have seen, check this one out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-1zj5Os-RM

Any video about a ufo is a fake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i-aJ7Qf ... re=related
OMG A STAR DESTROYER

suggs wrote:Any video about a ufo is a fake.

Word.

jay_a2j wrote:

suggs wrote:Any video about a ufo is a fake.

Word.

What about the declassified Brazilian government's collection? Or the declassified USSR's archive?

I am not saying that they are aliens, but they are legitimate videos. Top-secret whatever, but not purposeful hoaxes.

suggs wrote:No.

I think Suggs' response is the longest response this topic deserves.

Ray Rider wrote:

suggs wrote:No.

I think Suggs' response is the longest response this topic deserves.

Agreed but i just can't help this.

DaGip wrote:

Balsiefen wrote:Look carefully, It is just a couple of small chinks in the cockpit canopy. If you look at them, they stay in exact relation to the ground. Take the second one for instance, when it jerks backwards you can also see the ground jerk the same way. The cameras are made to see through glass, but not through cracks like that, so it creates the effect that the mark is flying alongside the jet they're videoing.

I have scanned through these videos a hundred times. It has been argued that those are just blemishes in the canopy, but the counter argument is: why would a blemish be in front of the jet being filmed?

I was with the skeptics on this one, until the point was made to look at the fact the larger object passes in front of the jet and not between the jet and the camera. If it was a blemish, or a fuel reserve, then you would expect those objects to be seen passing behind the jet being filmed as opposed to being in front.

Unless BBC is faking footage, I would say that something strange is happening in the skies around Israel.

Believe me, I am really trying hard to find an explanation, but when I viewed the video frame by frame and stopped it just as the object was converging on the position of the jet, I am at a loss of words. It is quite clear that the jet is behind the large object.

I think you have your perspective messed up. Lets see,

Camera-----window-----------------------jet

You are saying you would expect a blemish on the window to look like it's behind the jet? I checked and its definatly between the camera and the other jet, just where the cockpit window would hopefully be.

I wish I could remember the Bill Hick's sketch better. But its something like:

"Whats up with these aliens anyway? They always have to go and choose some Redneck farm in the back of beyond. Come to New York, then I'll believe in you!"

(its much funnier than that )

suggs wrote:I wish I could remember the Bill Hick's sketch better. But its something like:

"Whats up with these aliens anyway? They always have to go and choose some Redneck farm in the back of beyond. Come to New York, then I'll believe in you!"

(its much funnier than that )

True. Stop abducting middle-aged white woman who have no husband or children. Why do the aliens always pick on them? Rednecks, and old maids......

This is almost as good as the post about your encounter with Jesus.

DaGip wrote:

Balsiefen wrote:Look carefully, It is just a couple of small chinks in the cockpit canopy. If you look at them, they stay in exact relation to the ground. Take the second one for instance, when it jerks backwards you can also see the ground jerk the same way. The cameras are made to see through glass, but not through cracks like that, so it creates the effect that the mark is flying alongside the jet they're videoing.

I have scanned through these videos a hundred times. It has been argued that those are just blemishes in the canopy, but the counter argument is: why would a blemish be in front of the jet being filmed?

I was with the skeptics on this one, until the point was made to look at the fact the larger object passes in front of the jet and not between the jet and the camera. If it was a blemish, or a fuel reserve, then you would expect those objects to be seen passing behind the jet being filmed as opposed to being in front.

Unless BBC is faking footage, I would say that something strange is happening in the skies around Israel.

Believe me, I am really trying hard to find an explanation, but when I viewed the video frame by frame and stopped it just as the object was converging on the position of the jet, I am at a loss of words. It is quite clear that the jet is behind the large object.

Is this hard to understand?

The camera is at point A (inside the cockpit). The cockpit, with the blemish, is at point B, inbetween the camera and everything else you see. The blemish will be in front of everything that isn't inside the cockpit with you. The other planes and everything else will be at point C, i.e. outside the plane and behind the blemish in the plane's cockpit.

There was a case back in the 70's where an airplane passenger got some of the most convincing UFO footage ever. A shape hung alongside the plane, It turned, twisted, got nearer and futher, shged shape, all sorts of stuff. The BBC program, Tomorrow's World, put two teams on it. ONe prdoduced a 3d model of a body which could assume the shapes in the footage from differnt angles, and worked out the speeds and accelerations necessary for a craft to perform thusly. The other team got on the same plane, sat in the same seat, and videoed the strange images causes by the blemish in the glass distorting the image of the plane's own wing.

Balsiefen wrote:

Ray Rider wrote:

suggs wrote:No.

I think Suggs' response is the longest response this topic deserves.

Agreed but i just can't help this.

DaGip wrote:

Balsiefen wrote:Look carefully, It is just a couple of small chinks in the cockpit canopy. If you look at them, they stay in exact relation to the ground. Take the second one for instance, when it jerks backwards you can also see the ground jerk the same way. The cameras are made to see through glass, but not through cracks like that, so it creates the effect that the mark is flying alongside the jet they're videoing.

I have scanned through these videos a hundred times. It has been argued that those are just blemishes in the canopy, but the counter argument is: why would a blemish be in front of the jet being filmed?

I was with the skeptics on this one, until the point was made to look at the fact the larger object passes in front of the jet and not between the jet and the camera. If it was a blemish, or a fuel reserve, then you would expect those objects to be seen passing behind the jet being filmed as opposed to being in front.

Unless BBC is faking footage, I would say that something strange is happening in the skies around Israel.

Believe me, I am really trying hard to find an explanation, but when I viewed the video frame by frame and stopped it just as the object was converging on the position of the jet, I am at a loss of words. It is quite clear that the jet is behind the large object.

I think you have your perspective messed up. Lets see,

Camera-----window-----------------------jet

You are saying you would expect a blemish on the window to look like it's behind the jet? I checked and its definatly between the camera and the other jet, just where the cockpit window would hopefully be.

If you stop the videos in the right spot, you will see that the left wing tip is in front of the UFO. You should rub the NeoCon bullshit from your eyes...

I agree it's a UFO--because we don't know what it is. But I doubt its a flying saucer or anything of that nature. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's between the camera and the plane.

I see where it might look like the wing is in front of the shape. However, it seems that it's more likely just light refracting around the object. Since the frame rate is so low in that video, there's only one frame where they overlap, and it's only the very tip of the wing touching the edge of the unidentified object. The light reflects the wing in a very grainy way, so that there's a little bit of white sticking into the black shape.

Try it by turning on a flashlight, putting it on the far side of a dark object, aligning your view just-so, and squinting. Part of the object will be obscured by the light. If this were filmed very poorly, it would look like there was something in front of the dark object.

Ditocoaf wrote:I agree it's a UFO--because we don't know what it is. But I doubt its a flying saucer or anything of that nature. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's between the camera and the plane.

I see where it might look like the wing is in front of the shape. However, it seems that it's more likely just light refracting around the object. Since the frame rate is so low in that video, there's only one frame where they overlap, and it's only the very tip of the wing touching the edge of the unidentified object. The light reflects the wing in a very grainy way, so that there's a little bit of white sticking into the black shape.

Try it by turning on a flashlight, putting it on the far side of a dark object, aligning your view just-so, and squinting. Part of the object will be obscured by the light. If this were filmed very poorly, it would look like there was something in front of the dark object.

That makes no sense. You will have to post some credible links on what you are suggesting. First off, the camera being used is a F-16 gun camera, it is not a person in a cockpit. Secondly, do you really think that the camera can turn on a flashlight, put it on the far side of a dark object, align its view just-so, and squint?

I am still sticking to the belief that the object passes in front of the jet in the frame in question. To shun it off for being a trick of light is going to need some optic expertise, I am afraid.