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Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:29 am
by gdeangel
... O'Bama says he's got the grass roots support (at least in funding) and will get the nomination. He's managed to back-pocket the super delegates by starting outside the beltway, with the governors of bannana stand states who think they are/have cut an inroad with the future president who is not already in with the beltway insiders, and then, as no surprise, the beltway insiders, not to be outflanked by a bunch of bannana stand governors, jump on the bandwagon too. At the same time he is talking about reviving democracy, the guy is writing letters to the superdelegates that say they don't have to wait for the people to vote in every state... they should decare alegece to him so that the people will know who to follow (in politico speak - "rally around").

nytimes.com wrote:Mr. Obama’s effort with the superdelegates began early Tuesday — at 6:58 a.m. Eastern time, Mr. Obama’s campaign announced that Joyce Lalonde, a Democratic superdelegate from Michigan, had joined the Obama campaign. If all goes as planned, it will continue through the day with a steady stream of endorsements. The moment the polls close in South Dakota, marking the official end of the nominating season — at 10 p.m. Eastern — a delegation of at least eight members of Congress who had been holding out until after the primaries will announce their support of Mr. Obama, according to Mr. Obama’s aides.


These are nothing but underhanded maneuvers to get Clinton supporters to lose hope. There are cheap wranglings to get the undecided voter to "go with the flow"... after all, most people would rather back a winner than be right, yes? So if your running a campaign based on that level of disrespect for voters intelligence, what does that say about your true appreciation for the base... not a lot! If I were one of the 8 members of Congress planning to declare, and the campaign leaked it to the press prior to the voting, I'd pull my support based on the campaign's unconcealed contempt for the democratic process.

To the candidate with the lifetime experience, the candidate who had won the battleground states, the candidate who understands the magnitude of the issues and is not going around with a can of whitewash making promises that are unequivocally "feel good" dreams... she is told to stop making trouble... to drop out of the race so all the dumb Democratic voters will know who to rally around. While the O'Bama zealots were happy to out-maneuver Mrs. Clinton in the various state caucuses, they now are quaking in their boots about the notion that they might actually get outmaneuvered at the National Convention.

Shame on you Howard Dean. Shame on you Democratic party leaders. I'd like to see Clinton tell you to go f*ck yourselves and break off to form a new party. Who else feels the same way?

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:13 am
by Psy Oct
Oh god no, that's a horrible idea. It'd completely split the Democrat vote, giving the republicans an easy victory.

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:14 am
by bedub1
gdeangel wrote:I'd like to see Clinton tell you to go f*ck yourselves and break off to form a new party.


I agree. Clinton should say that on public tv...and then break off to go form her own party, and hopefully I'd never have to see her again.

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:17 am
by jonesthecurl
Take a look at the history of the SDP in the UK - cost the Labour party the election in the 80's. (I can't remember the year offhand). Ironically, the Labour party that ultimately gained power after the SDP was eaten by the Liberal party was far to the right of founders of the SDP itself.

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:18 am
by Psy Oct
Image

Experience.

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:22 am
by jonesthecurl
She is just so photogenic.
She looks like Gollum in that one.

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:25 am
by Psy Oct
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Vote for me <:

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:26 am
by tzor
gdeangel wrote:These are nothing but underhanded maneuvers to get Clinton supporters to lose hope.


:lol: Loose hope? :lol: Loose hope? :lol:

Clinton is nothing but a liar and a cheat. She has not "won" the popular vote and no matter how many times she has stated this as a fact it no more a fact as Bush's weapons of mass destruction. She went against the party twice in cases where the states went against the party, especially in one state where she was the only damn person on the ballot. I'm sorry but this isn't the Soviet Union, this isn't Russia, we are not supposed to have one candidate elections and when we do we don't gloat over the numbers over the person who followed the party rules and didn't ran.

If she or her followers wants to start their own Feminazi party then they can all go to political oblivion. In the rare chance she has a snowballs chance there is always the nuclear option.

You see if we impeach Bush and Cheney (at the same time) then Pelosi becomes the first Woman President of the United States and poor Hillary is left holding the bag! After all who want's to be number two?

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:41 am
by jonesthecurl
Psy Oct wrote:
Vote for me <:

My god when I said that I was working from memory, but she bloody does, doesn't she? Poor girl.

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:05 pm
by Caleb the Cruel
GO HILLARY!

Popular vote! Experience! First female president! Realistic ideas! Deserves the nomination!

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:06 pm
by Timminz

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:15 pm
by Frigidus
I'd approve if Hillary Clinton died.

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:35 pm
by spurgistan
How can you say that Obama's convincing voters they're vote doesn't matter? There aren't any more freaking voters!! The last primaries are today, and are being held in states that have absolutely no impact on the final delegate tolls. I applaud Hillary Clinton for hanging tough in this excruciating primary season, but she simply didn't plan for the extended campaign correctly, throwing all her dice on the hopes that she could sweep Obama out of the election on Super Tuesday, ironically - at least to OP's post - telling the voters in all subsequent contests that their vote didn't matter. So, shame on OP for misrepresenting the facts, and furthermore encouraging Hillary (even though she won't) to do something that could only be damaging to the Democratic Party. Face it, Hillary fans - of which I am one, but voted for Obama - Hillary gambled on Super Tuesday and lost, and after that she couldn't really scrape her way back in.

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:01 pm
by Juan_Bottom
This isn't even a realistic option.

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:07 pm
by MeDeFe
Hillary Clinton
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Master Splinter
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't see very many similarities.

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:08 pm
by bedub1
MeDeFe wrote:Hillary Clinton
Image


Master Splinter
Image


I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't see very many similarities.

They are both rats

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:39 pm
by muy_thaiguy
But I'd rather have the one with the tail and fur then the chronic liar as a president.

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:02 pm
by DaGip
Hillary should UNITE the Dems, not splinter it. Ron Paul is splintering the Republicans, Obama should have an easy victory! =D>

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:02 pm
by Juan_Bottom
http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/ ... 1200309767

She isn't splitting the Dems anymore?.....

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:06 pm
by CoffeeCream
Continuing with the Hillary Clinton slideshow tour

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I think that's what she's going to look like when someone finally tells her Obama won.

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:15 pm
by Juan_Bottom
COFFEECREAM missed my post?

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:26 pm
by InkL0sed
Someone doesn't know their history.

Look at how Woodrow Wilson got elected. TR was so upset at Taft that he ran as a third-party candidate (and did the best as one ever), and thus gave the election to Wilson, the first Democrat in a long time.

There are so many other examples of a split party handing an easy win to its opponent, but this is just the most obvious one (to me, anyway).

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:41 am
by MeDeFe
I think the best thing that could happen is if both the democrats and the republicans split. Then you can finally make a break with your de facto two-party system.

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:46 am
by tzor
MeDeFe wrote:I think the best thing that could happen is if both the democrats and the republicans split. Then you can finally make a break with your de facto two-party system.


It's a great idea for everything but the presidental election. You need a majority to get elected. There are no run off elections, you just get the buck passed to Congress.

At the local level a four party system is viable. Still in general they tend to form coalitions and the weaker party tends to become a shadow of the stronger party. In New York we have this with the Republican - Conservative and the Democratic - Liberal parties. The Conservative party is a viable party in its own right, the latest candidates to the town council where I live were actually from the Conservative party and it was the Republican party that rubber stamped the decision.

Re: Should Hillary form a Splinter Party?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:00 am
by got tonkaed
MeDeFe wrote:I think the best thing that could happen is if both the democrats and the republicans split. Then you can finally make a break with your de facto two-party system.


to this i say meh. For there really to be a legit third party Hilliary is all wrong for it. She isnt really a break from the democratic party in a way that could establish a new party, and she really isnt pushing hard for an issue (other than nationalized healthcare, which isnt a sustainable party platform) that really can set up a new party.

The only real party split that makes sense as far as i can tell right now, is a green something or other emerging or maybe a rift in the conservative section, between what they call "the true conservatives" and the family values conservatives.