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I am tired of these fucking president elections

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:41 pm
by oggiss
USA's president elections campaigns can feed friggin whole africa for decades..


It's fucking morron. What do you guys think?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:54 pm
by Napoleon Ier
I am tired of these fucking president elections


Move to North Korea.

Re: I am tired of these fucking president elections

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:55 pm
by brooksieb
oggiss wrote:USA's president elections campaigns can feed friggin whole africa for decades..


It's fucking morron. What do you guys think?


i think alot of em are overrated i think we need to merge em like all the norse threads that were made

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:56 pm
by brooksieb
Napoleon Ier wrote:
I am tired of these fucking president elections


Move to North Korea.


lol!

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:56 pm
by brooksieb
Napoleon Ier wrote:
I am tired of these fucking president elections


Move to North Korea.


lol!

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:10 pm
by oggiss
Napoleon Ier wrote:
I am tired of these fucking president elections


Move to North Korea.


Ye, much better *sigh*

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:13 pm
by suggs
oggiss wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
I am tired of these fucking president elections


Move to North Korea.


Ye, much better *sigh*


Well, it would be better for us-as you wouldn't be allowed to access this forum/express any personal opinions what so ever.
So please move to N. Korea.

You are blessed by having being born in one of the free (ish) countries in the world-get involved, and help make your country great-stop whining, enjoy the the thrill of the democratic cut and thrust!

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:25 pm
by Grooveman2007
Democracy is the base of Western Civilization! Get involved, you've been blessed with rights not experenced by many!

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:35 pm
by SolidLuigi
I think the OP is trying to say that all the millions spent on pretty much just the candidates advertising themselves could be going to better causes like helping the sick or feeding the hungry. If that is the point then I agree, why do you need millions to run for prez? That alone limits it to only the richest or highest endorsed people in the US. If their policies are what everyone is voting on, then there should just be state controlled debates and presentations. This system we have now of who can spend the most to get their name out the most skews the fairness and does waste alot of money that could be going to better causes.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:49 pm
by InkL0sed
SolidLuigi wrote:I think the OP is trying to say that all the millions spent on pretty much just the candidates advertising themselves could be going to better causes like helping the sick or feeding the hungry. If that is the point then I agree, why do you need millions to run for prez? That alone limits it to only the richest or highest endorsed people in the US. If their policies are what everyone is voting on, then there should just be state controlled debates and presentations. This system we have now of who can spend the most to get their name out the most skews the fairness and does waste alot of money that could be going to better causes.


It doesn't necessarily limit it the rich – where do you think Obama got more money than Hillary? Why, from running, of course!

However, you are right for the most part.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:49 pm
by oggiss
SolidLuigi wrote:I think the OP is trying to say that all the millions spent on pretty much just the candidates advertising themselves could be going to better causes like helping the sick or feeding the hungry. If that is the point then I agree, why do you need millions to run for prez? That alone limits it to only the richest or highest endorsed people in the US. If their policies are what everyone is voting on, then there should just be state controlled debates and presentations. This system we have now of who can spend the most to get their name out the most skews the fairness and does waste alot of money that could be going to better causes.


Finally someone with a brain! :)

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:04 pm
by johnnyrotten
I agree.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:31 pm
by Frigidus
johnnyrotten wrote:I agree.


I agree, lol!

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:32 pm
by Snorri1234
I AM TIRED OF THESE MOTHERFUCKING PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES IN THIS MOTHERFUCKING RACE!

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:33 pm
by SolidLuigi
Snorri1234 wrote:I AM TIRED OF THESE MOTHERFUCKING PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES IN THIS MOTHERFUCKING RACE!


ahh a quote from one of my favorite movies "Presidential Elections on a Planet"

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:47 pm
by OnlyAmbrose
SolidLuigi wrote:why do you need millions to run for prez?


Because it costs money to run commercials. Really easy answer.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:49 pm
by SolidLuigi
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
SolidLuigi wrote:why do you need millions to run for prez?


Because it costs money to run commercials. Really easy answer.


Yeah, I should have phrased it better. I meant why should you need millions. Politics shouldn't be based on who has fancier commercials, it should be strictly based on the facts of who believes what and that info should be presented in general debates etc. No private commercials

sorry for that

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:11 pm
by Frigidus
SolidLuigi wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
SolidLuigi wrote:why do you need millions to run for prez?


Because it costs money to run commercials. Really easy answer.


Yeah, I should have phrased it better. I meant why should you need millions. Politics shouldn't be based on who has fancier commercials, it should be strictly based on the facts of who believes what and that info should be presented in general debates etc. No private commercials

sorry for that


You overestimate your average American. Whatever rumor/insult/famous supporter they first see/hear determines who they vote for. They need to get back to TV after all.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:11 pm
by Hologram
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
SolidLuigi wrote:why do you need millions to run for prez?


Because it costs money to run commercials. Really easy answer.
And to travel the country 30 times over. And that's just for the primaries/caucuses.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:36 am
by Suzy1
SolidLuigi wrote:I think the OP is trying to say that all the millions spent on pretty much just the candidates advertising themselves could be going to better causes like helping the sick or feeding the hungry. If that is the point then I agree, why do you need millions to run for prez? That alone limits it to only the richest or highest endorsed people in the US. If their policies are what everyone is voting on, then there should just be state controlled debates and presentations. This system we have now of who can spend the most to get their name out the most skews the fairness and does waste alot of money that could be going to better causes.



They need all those millions, for private jets, first class accomodations, new attire, etc. when they are visiting the places where all those starving children are. :(

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:03 am
by HayesA
That and it's already a media event. Comon, if you think any Joe Schmoe can run just because he has good policies is kidding them selves into a deluted fantasy world. It's called unwritten Presidential running rules. Hand shakes, and money. Candidates have to have money or else they're not going anywhere. The problem is not the candidates them selves as it belongs to the media, and public opinion.

I voted no to your stupid poll. Democratic elections, besides our downfalls, are still one of the best rights as citizens of our great country we can enjoy.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:21 am
by Snorri1234
SolidLuigi wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
SolidLuigi wrote:why do you need millions to run for prez?


Because it costs money to run commercials. Really easy answer.


Yeah, I should have phrased it better. I meant why should you need millions. Politics shouldn't be based on who has fancier commercials, it should be strictly based on the facts of who believes what and that info should be presented in general debates etc. No private commercials

sorry for that


I am Snorri and I approve of this message.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:21 am
by oggiss
Just to clear this, I am not against democracy. I am against the billions spent on unnecessary commercials etc.

Re: I am tired of these fucking president elections

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:35 am
by Backglass
oggiss wrote:It's fucking morron. What do you guys think?


I think you need a dictionary.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:04 pm
by OnlyAmbrose
SolidLuigi wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:
SolidLuigi wrote:why do you need millions to run for prez?


Because it costs money to run commercials. Really easy answer.


Yeah, I should have phrased it better. I meant why should you need millions. Politics shouldn't be based on who has fancier commercials, it should be strictly based on the facts of who believes what and that info should be presented in general debates etc. No private commercials

sorry for that


Well that's a bit more difficult answer, but it's still answerable...

The reason is that most Americans (or people in general) don't like to think. A lot of people just adopt the views of their parents and leave it at that. Still others see a commercial about a candidate who's promising "change" (and what candidate isn't?). Some choose a candidate based on their religion.

I think most of us can agree that all three of the above means of choosing a candidate are stupid, but it's the reality of the matter. People don't think, and when they do, it's not about the politics of something as big as the United States.

And the best way to reach such people is in a plop a flashy 30-second commercial in the middle of Heroes which stays at a superficial level. Go too deep and you lose your audience.

Not much you can do about it. Well, I guess there are two options:

1) Limited democracy, or
2) Make everyone think

#2 is never going to happen. Personally, I'm starting to become a fan of the concept of limited democracy, but that's another thread...