Oh no he didn't...

[Minister Masket]

you should be proud of being a Yank. we rule, and without us, our limey friends across the pond would be speaking German right now, instead of the Queen's english.

I am sick of this argument being used against us, because it just isn't true. We have the Russians - funnily enough to thank for that, not you Yanks.
You were too busy fighting Jip Jap over the ruddy Pacific. Sure you donated troops and nosh, but frankly your late entry meant you didn't get to do an awful lot.

To take offense at this thread is not the liability of "MM's Evil Scientist Corporation" or any of their flying monkeys of doom. Batteries not included.

[0ojakeo0]

you should be proud of being a Yank. we rule, and without us, our limey friends across the pond would be speaking German right now, instead of the Queen's english.

I am sick of this argument being used against us, because it just isn't true. We have the Russians - funnily enough to thank for that, not you Yanks.
You were too busy fighting Jip Jap over the ruddy Pacific. Sure you donated troops and nosh, but frankly your late entry meant you didn't get to do an awful lot.

To take offense at this thread is not the liability of "MM's Evil Scientist Corporation" or any of their flying monkeys of doom. Batteries not included.

face it. we won the war. you were losing b4 we came in.


Any link containing info. on this topic wether it be making my words false or something else just means i am the man and u suck balls

[Frigidus]

you should be proud of being a Yank. we rule, and without us, our limey friends across the pond would be speaking German right now, instead of the Queen's english.

I am sick of this argument being used against us, because it just isn't true. We have the Russians - funnily enough to thank for that, not you Yanks.
You were too busy fighting Jip Jap over the ruddy Pacific. Sure you donated troops and nosh, but frankly your late entry meant you didn't get to do an awful lot.

To take offense at this thread is not the liability of "MM's Evil Scientist Corporation" or any of their flying monkeys of doom. Batteries not included.

Well, we certainly didn't do it alone, that's just stupid, but it would have likely lasted much longer without our help. Besides, we focused on Germany before Japan. They did go down first ya know.

That said you're correct. Dragging up things that happened several generations earlier and somehow claiming it as your accomplishment, no matter the context, is ridicerous.

[Minister Masket]

you should be proud of being a Yank. we rule, and without us, our limey friends across the pond would be speaking German right now, instead of the Queen's english.

I am sick of this argument being used against us, because it just isn't true. We have the Russians - funnily enough to thank for that, not you Yanks.
You were too busy fighting Jip Jap over the ruddy Pacific. Sure you donated troops and nosh, but frankly your late entry meant you didn't get to do an awful lot.

To take offense at this thread is not the liability of "MM's Evil Scientist Corporation" or any of their flying monkeys of doom. Batteries not included.

Well, we certainly didn't do it alone, that's just stupid, but it would have likely lasted much longer without our help. Besides, we focused on Germany before Japan. They did go down first ya know.

That said you're correct. Dragging up things that happened several generations earlier and somehow claiming it as your accomplishment, no matter the context, is ridicerous.

Actually you didn't help the Russians at all so far as I know. So the war in Europe still would have ended in 1945, even if you didn't join.

[0ojakeo0]

you should be proud of being a Yank. we rule, and without us, our limey friends across the pond would be speaking German right now, instead of the Queen's english.

I am sick of this argument being used against us, because it just isn't true. We have the Russians - funnily enough to thank for that, not you Yanks.
You were too busy fighting Jip Jap over the ruddy Pacific. Sure you donated troops and nosh, but frankly your late entry meant you didn't get to do an awful lot.

To take offense at this thread is not the liability of "MM's Evil Scientist Corporation" or any of their flying monkeys of doom. Batteries not included.

Well, we certainly didn't do it alone, that's just stupid, but it would have likely lasted much longer without our help. Besides, we focused on Germany before Japan. They did go down first ya know.

That said you're correct. Dragging up things that happened several generations earlier and somehow claiming it as your accomplishment, no matter the context, is ridicerous.

Actually you didn't help the Russians at all so far as I know. So the war in Europe still would have ended in 1945, even if you didn't join.

We saved the whole country of france

[Colossus]

um, the US was a huge part of the invasion of Normandy, and of the north african and italian campaigns. Still, it is a bit of a dumb thing to say...certainly to the Brits. I think all of us (American, Brit, and Russian) can make that argument to the French, though....cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

[ignotus]

Warum müssen wir Deutsch schprechen?

[Frigidus]

um, the US was a huge part of the invasion of Normandy, and of the north african and italian campaigns. Still, it is a bit of a dumb thing to say...certainly to the Brits. I think all of us (American, Brit, and Russian) can make that argument to the French, though....cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

Oh shit! Run! Nappy will be here any second!

[unriggable]

you should be proud of being a Yank. we rule, and without us, our limey friends across the pond would be speaking German right now, instead of the Queen's english.

I am sick of this argument being used against us, because it just isn't true. We have the Russians - funnily enough to thank for that, not you Yanks.
You were too busy fighting Jip Jap over the ruddy Pacific. Sure you donated troops and nosh, but frankly your late entry meant you didn't get to do an awful lot.

To take offense at this thread is not the liability of "MM's Evil Scientist Corporation" or any of their flying monkeys of doom. Batteries not included.

Well, we certainly didn't do it alone, that's just stupid, but it would have likely lasted much longer without our help. Besides, we focused on Germany before Japan. They did go down first ya know.

That said you're correct. Dragging up things that happened several generations earlier and somehow claiming it as your accomplishment, no matter the context, is ridicerous.

Actually you didn't help the Russians at all so far as I know. So the war in Europe still would have ended in 1945, even if you didn't join.

We saved the whole country of france

I'm pretty sure the entire country was up in arms against Germany, and there were rebels literally everywhere.

Sure the americans helped, but America 1945 =/= America 2008. In the 40's most of the wealth was evenly distributed, the economy was skyrocketing, the US had half the wealth in the world. Now, its just shit. The only thing keeping us alive is the 600 billion a year we spend in military.

[unriggable]

FYI the americans did barely anything to help Stalingrad. That was the end of Germany.

[Grooveman2007]

you should be proud of being a Yank. we rule, and without us, our limey friends across the pond would be speaking German right now, instead of the Queen's english.

I am sick of this argument being used against us, because it just isn't true. We have the Russians - funnily enough to thank for that, not you Yanks.
You were too busy fighting Jip Jap over the ruddy Pacific. Sure you donated troops and nosh, but frankly your late entry meant you didn't get to do an awful lot.

To take offense at this thread is not the liability of "MM's Evil Scientist Corporation" or any of their flying monkeys of doom. Batteries not included.

Well, we certainly didn't do it alone, that's just stupid, but it would have likely lasted much longer without our help. Besides, we focused on Germany before Japan. They did go down first ya know.

That said you're correct. Dragging up things that happened several generations earlier and somehow claiming it as your accomplishment, no matter the context, is ridicerous.

Actually you didn't help the Russians at all so far as I know. So the war in Europe still would have ended in 1945, even if you didn't join.

You imbicile. Stalin specifically asked Roosevelt to open a second front in the WEST. It was an American by the name of Eisenhower who masterminded the Normandy invasions. It was America that took Italy out of the war. It was America that had to hop from island to island to knock out Japan. It was America that supplied the Soviets with the T-38 design. It was America that supplied Great Britain with machines and supplies before Pearl Harbor. Without American help, Britain and Russia would've both fallen to the Germans and the Japanese.

But I do credit British general Montgomory with the wonderful idea called "Market Garden" that ended the war by christmas and saved countless liv...wait a minute. Sorry, never mind.

[Dariune]

At the end of the day all of the aforemention countries were in the war All of them did what they could for their respective sides and all of them had victories and losses.

I think my only objection is for some reason some people (im afraid to say that in my experience it has been americans but im sure other people do this as well) think that their country won the war. Thats just ludicrous.

[Frigidus]

you should be proud of being a Yank. we rule, and without us, our limey friends across the pond would be speaking German right now, instead of the Queen's english.

I am sick of this argument being used against us, because it just isn't true. We have the Russians - funnily enough to thank for that, not you Yanks.
You were too busy fighting Jip Jap over the ruddy Pacific. Sure you donated troops and nosh, but frankly your late entry meant you didn't get to do an awful lot.

To take offense at this thread is not the liability of "MM's Evil Scientist Corporation" or any of their flying monkeys of doom. Batteries not included.

Well, we certainly didn't do it alone, that's just stupid, but it would have likely lasted much longer without our help. Besides, we focused on Germany before Japan. They did go down first ya know.

That said you're correct. Dragging up things that happened several generations earlier and somehow claiming it as your accomplishment, no matter the context, is ridicerous.

Actually you didn't help the Russians at all so far as I know. So the war in Europe still would have ended in 1945, even if you didn't join.

You imbicile. Stalin specifically asked Roosevelt to open a second front in the WEST. It was an American by the name of Eisenhower who masterminded the Normandy invasions. It was America that took Italy out of the war. It was America that had to hop from island to island to knock out Japan. It was America that supplied the Soviets with the T-38 design. It was America that supplied Great Britain with machines and supplies before Pearl Harbor. Without American help, Britain and Russia would've both fallen to the Germans and the Japanese.

But I do credit British general Montgomory with the wonderful idea called "Market Garden" that ended the war by christmas and saved countless liv...wait a minute. Sorry, never mind.

God damn it. There's no way this is staying civil now.

[Dariune]

you should be proud of being a Yank. we rule, and without us, our limey friends across the pond would be speaking German right now, instead of the Queen's english.

I am sick of this argument being used against us, because it just isn't true. We have the Russians - funnily enough to thank for that, not you Yanks.
You were too busy fighting Jip Jap over the ruddy Pacific. Sure you donated troops and nosh, but frankly your late entry meant you didn't get to do an awful lot.

To take offense at this thread is not the liability of "MM's Evil Scientist Corporation" or any of their flying monkeys of doom. Batteries not included.

Well, we certainly didn't do it alone, that's just stupid, but it would have likely lasted much longer without our help. Besides, we focused on Germany before Japan. They did go down first ya know.

That said you're correct. Dragging up things that happened several generations earlier and somehow claiming it as your accomplishment, no matter the context, is ridicerous.

Actually you didn't help the Russians at all so far as I know. So the war in Europe still would have ended in 1945, even if you didn't join.

You imbicile. Stalin specifically asked Roosevelt to open a second front in the WEST. It was an American by the name of Eisenhower who masterminded the Normandy invasions. It was America that took Italy out of the war. It was America that had to hop from island to island to knock out Japan. It was America that supplied the Soviets with the T-38 design. It was America that supplied Great Britain with machines and supplies before Pearl Harbor. Without American help, Britain and Russia would've both fallen to the Germans and the Japanese.

But I do credit British general Montgomory with the wonderful idea called "Market Garden" that ended the war by christmas and saved countless liv...wait a minute. Sorry, never mind.

This is exactly the kind of narrow minded attitude i was just talking about.

[Grooveman2007]

you should be proud of being a Yank. we rule, and without us, our limey friends across the pond would be speaking German right now, instead of the Queen's english.

I am sick of this argument being used against us, because it just isn't true. We have the Russians - funnily enough to thank for that, not you Yanks.
You were too busy fighting Jip Jap over the ruddy Pacific. Sure you donated troops and nosh, but frankly your late entry meant you didn't get to do an awful lot.

To take offense at this thread is not the liability of "MM's Evil Scientist Corporation" or any of their flying monkeys of doom. Batteries not included.

Well, we certainly didn't do it alone, that's just stupid, but it would have likely lasted much longer without our help. Besides, we focused on Germany before Japan. They did go down first ya know.

That said you're correct. Dragging up things that happened several generations earlier and somehow claiming it as your accomplishment, no matter the context, is ridicerous.

Actually you didn't help the Russians at all so far as I know. So the war in Europe still would have ended in 1945, even if you didn't join.

You imbicile. Stalin specifically asked Roosevelt to open a second front in the WEST. It was an American by the name of Eisenhower who masterminded the Normandy invasions. It was America that took Italy out of the war. It was America that had to hop from island to island to knock out Japan. It was America that supplied the Soviets with the T-38 design. It was America that supplied Great Britain with machines and supplies before Pearl Harbor. Without American help, Britain and Russia would've both fallen to the Germans and the Japanese.

But I do credit British general Montgomory with the wonderful idea called "Market Garden" that ended the war by christmas and saved countless liv...wait a minute. Sorry, never mind.

This is exactly the kind of narrow minded attitude i was just talking about.

It isn't narrow minded. He specifically stated the the US never helped Russia. I was only countering that foolish claim and tossing in my two bits.

[Dariune]

Your two bits clearly implied that the Americans were the saviours of the day. They werent, well no more than the Brits or any of the other "fighting" nations. Yes you helped. No you did not win the war. We all did.

[Grooveman2007]

Your two bits clearly implied that the Americans were the saviours of the day. They werent, well no more than the Brits or any of the other "fighting" nations. Yes you helped. No you did not win the war. We all did.

In Europe I agree with you, the Russian broke the German's fighting spirit. And without the successful defense of England and the leadership of Churchill there would've been no base for the invasion. The US played a late game role with economy and numbers.

In the Pacific, it was indeed mostly Americans (and chinese rebels) that did most of the fighting. The Russians refused to give us aid after May of '45 and the Brits were understandably busy licking their wounds in Europe. Jungle fighting was just as bad as the fighting on the Eastern Front. And Japanese culture was so ridged that it took two nukes to get them to surrender.

[Dariune]

You see i would have more readily accepted a comment like that.

We are not a large country and yet with the defense of are air power (admittedly it was as good as gone by the end of the war) we managed to hold off the germans for an awful long time.

The Americans played their part.

The truth is, who knows who would have won the war had the Americans not joined in. Its like trying to understand what the world would be like had the spanish captain Cuzco not decided to kill lots of Aztecs.

[Grooveman2007]

Hitler's NWO was actually supposed to involve two Allied power, USA and UK. He even offered an early peace to the British so it could happen. An Eastasian power, a European/Northern Asian/African power, A naval power, and a western power. Almost like Orwell's 1984. Eerie.

[Snorri1234]

It's a good thing the USA never tried to get on Hitlers good side.

[Grooveman2007]

It's a good thing the USA never tried to get on Hitlers good side.

We almost got on Wilhelm's good side during the first one. Can't even imagine what the world would be like today.

[got tonkaed]

It's a good thing the USA never tried to get on Hitlers good side.

I think there is still some debate in a few circles about whether or not there werent reasonably sized portions of the US who at the time attempted to or wanted to at the very least.

The German population and certainly a number of people at the time thought for a while Hitler might be the better chioce.

[Snorri1234]

It's a good thing the USA never tried to get on Hitlers good side.

I think there is still some debate in a few circles about whether or not there werent reasonably sized portions of the US who at the time attempted to or wanted to at the very least.

The German population and certainly a number of people at the time thought for a while Hitler might be the better chioce.

(I was actually sort of being sarcastic.)

[got tonkaed]

It's a good thing the USA never tried to get on Hitlers good side.

I think there is still some debate in a few circles about whether or not there werent reasonably sized portions of the US who at the time attempted to or wanted to at the very least.

The German population and certainly a number of people at the time thought for a while Hitler might be the better chioce.

(I was actually sort of being sarcastic.)

im well below picking up things like sarcasm or rational thought.

[reminisco]

I am sick of this argument being used against us, because it just isn't true. We have the Russians - funnily enough to thank for that, not you Yanks.
You were too busy fighting Jip Jap over the ruddy Pacific. Sure you donated troops and nosh, but frankly your late entry meant you didn't get to do an awful lot.

To take offense at this thread is not the liability of "MM's Evil Scientist Corporation" or any of their flying monkeys of doom. Batteries not included.

in some ways, i agree with you. i've read Armageddon: The Battle for Germany 1944-45 by Max Hastings. A historian of huge repute, from your side of the pond.

and so in the grand scope of the war, the Russian contribution played a bigger part in the fall of Germany than did the Western Allies.

however, you cats were getting starved out, before Russia entered the war. and we were sending you much needed food, passing the German U-Boat blockade.

had we not given that support, Britain easily could have fallen. While it is not the practice of historians to ask "what if", it is a safe extrapolation that without US support, Britain would have had to eventually capitulate, or fight to the last starving man, woman and child.

and i'm not one of those to claim that the US won WWII. and clearly SHAEF was a plodding, slow, political machine. without the Russians, the war would probably not have been won by 1945, and would have been cataclysmic in terms of the numbers of Western Allied casualties.

but the US did commit at least twice as many troops to the war as Britain (mostly because our population was just that much larger), and provided the unstopping supply of munitions, armor, artillery, air power, etc.

however, without Britain, the US never could have contributed to the European theater in the first place... there'd have been no staging ground.