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ATTENTION Non United States Residents

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:50 am
by Jamie
After seeing the headline of the news article below, I find it hard to believe any non US resident would give a rats ass about the US presidential election. I doubt many US residents give a damn about elections in foreighn countries. If you are not a resident of the US, do you honestly give a crap about our presidential election?


World Captivated by US Presidential Race

Feb 1, 3:44 AM (ET)

By WILLIAM J. KOLE

(AP) Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., left, gestures for time as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., responds...
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Germans are gaga over Barack Obama. He's got Japan pretty jazzed, too, along with Hillary Rodham Clinton. Russia's leaders, not so much: They prefer a Republican - as long as it's not Kremlin critic John McCain.

And Mexico's president? He doesn't have much use for any of them.

America's extraordinary presidential campaign has captivated politicians and ordinary people around the globe. With so much at stake in the race for the White House, the world is watching with an intensity that hasn't been seen since the Clinton era began in 1992.

After eight years of President Bush, the latest mantra in U.S. politics - "transformational change" - is resonating across the rest of a planet desperate for a fresh start.

"They feel there's a real chance to work with the U.S.," said Julianne Smith, a senior fellow at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. "America's image in the world is really on the line."

Non-Americans, she said, are looking for someone who can "restore faith in the United States."

Obama, perhaps not surprisingly, is generating most of the buzz abroad.

"Der schwarze Kennedy," some German admirers are calling him: "The black JFK."

"He is young, charming and sexy!" the mass-circulation newspaper Bild gushed. "Obama is now the ideal projection screen for hopes and expectations in Europe" and the U.S. alike, said Christian Hacke, a professor at the University of Bonn.

"I like him. I like his ideas, his attitude, his appearance. I prefer him to Hillary Clinton, who is more artificial," said Eva Berto, a Rome doctor who thinks Obama would bring a new approach to the crisis in Iraq and the nuclear standoff with Iran.

Japanese media are closely tracking both Obama and the woman they refer to simply as "Hillary," and focusing on the possibility that either could make history.

"The idea since the country's founding - 'You can't become president if you're not a white man' - has already been destroyed," the Mainichi newspaper said in an editorial.

But in Europe, where some see Obama as untested, support for Clinton is widespread, and nostalgia for her husband's charisma runs deep. When scandals rocked the Clinton White House, most Europeans responded with a Gallic shrug.

"Nobody in Europe ever took Bill Clinton's problems in office seriously," said Patrick Dunleavy, a political scientist at the London School of Economics. "Nobody could ever understand why Americans were so upset. Bill Clinton was always a fantastic presence in Europe."

The Republican presidential hopefuls, by contrast, are not highly regarded in Europe: Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee are seen as too religious, and the 71-year-old McCain as too old.

To Britons, history's most popular postwar presidents were Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton because of their perceived levelheadedness and intelligence, said Dunleavy. The most despised? President Bush and Ronald Reagan "because they were seen as erratic and unpredictable," he said.

Yet Democrats don't rule the entire world of public opinion.

Saad al-Hadithi, a political analyst in Baghdad, contends the Republican candidates are more committed to Iraq and have a better approach.

"They show more support to the political progress and to combating terrorist groups in Iraq," he said. "The Democrats, especially Hillary Clinton, are calling for the withdrawal of U.S. forces, but they are not offering an alternative. Such a withdrawal while the Iraqi security forces are still weak will lead to disastrous results."

Russia's leaders also consider Republicans more pragmatic, said Nkolai Petrov, an analyst with the Carnegie Moscow Center.

But the Kremlin, Petrov said, would likely have "serious concerns" if McCain wins the Republican nomination because of the Arizona senator's harsh and persistent criticism of Vladimir Putin's autocratic government.

Others in Russia are drawn to the lively U.S. campaign if only because it's such a sharp contrast to Moscow's tightly choreographed March 2 presidential election - a contest that Putin's favored successor, Dmitry Medvedev, is seen as certain to win.

Africans naturally gravitate toward Obama, whose father was from Kenya.

Israelis, though, seem to prefer Hillary Clinton - even though Obama has voiced support for key Israeli demands in peace talks with the Palestinians - because of her experience and the backing Bill Clinton gave to the Jewish state during his two terms as president.

Amid the raging debate over immigration, Mexicans arguably have more at stake in the U.S. election than any other nation. But President Felipe Calderon doesn't think very highly of any of the candidates.

"The only theme," he declared in December, "is to compete to see who can be the most swaggering, macho and anti-Mexican."

In the post-Bush era, the bottom line is blunt and simple, Dunleavy said.

"People all around the world are pretty worried," he said. "They want a president who will restore a kind of U.S. legitimacy in the world."

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:11 am
by Nobunaga
... Typical US media tripe. How slanted is that?

... To your point, though, considering the US role world-wide, interest in the election and its candidates should be easy to understand. But when it comes down to individual folks . . . probably the election outcome won't make much difference at all and so indifference is probably the most common reaction.

... It's easy enough to understand why the Europeans by and large like Hillary and Obama. Much of Europe is (comparatively) socialist, and that jives well with US Democrats. Social services galore, cradle to grave reliance on government, etc... The more conservative (US "conservative") notions of being responsible for one's own well being is foreign to them.

... In my most humble opinion, anyway, and given with an admitted lack of expertise.

...

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:18 am
by Dariune
America being the current super power of course affects the world around it but no i dont care. Both the English and American leaders all seem to be as bad as each other at the moment in my opinion.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:40 am
by apey
As an american (of legal voting age) I don't give a flying f*ck about the elections we are screwed no matter who wins

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:41 am
by Dariune
Amen

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:46 am
by darvlay
I care.

Sadly, American politics deeply affect Canadian politics, economics, industry and our war efforts in the Middle East.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:48 am
by Neoteny
Politics really aren't that important in the grand scheme of things...

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:29 pm
by Frigidus
Neoteny wrote:Politics really aren't that important in the grand scheme of things...


But nothing we can do really affects the grand scheme. Not that we can do much about politics, but at least they want our opinion.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:32 pm
by Neoteny
Frigidus wrote:
Neoteny wrote:Politics really aren't that important in the grand scheme of things...


But nothing we can do really affects the grand scheme. Not that we can do much about politics, but at least they want our opinion.


Psst...

I was being facetious

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:05 pm
by suggs
I'm interested in who becomes the Emperor of Western Civilization-only a moron wouldn't be.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:28 pm
by karel
apey wrote:As an american (of legal voting age) I don't give a flying f*ck about the elections we are screwed no matter who wins


I have to agree,i don't give a rats ass also.Untill they get rid of the electoral college votes and let the people vote,cuz right now are vote does not count.And besides they are a corrupt anyway.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:19 pm
by Grooveman2007
karel wrote:
apey wrote:As an american (of legal voting age) I don't give a flying f*ck about the elections we are screwed no matter who wins


I have to agree,i don't give a rats ass also.Untill they get rid of the electoral college votes and let the people vote,cuz right now are vote does not count.And besides they are a corrupt anyway.


The electoral collage was a great idea back when the constitution was written. Unfortunatly times have changed since the 18th century. I agree with karel, scrap it and count the votes one at a time.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:05 pm
by khazalid
its a good idea to have a grounding in world politics generally, but the USA, being the hulking big imperialistic superpower that it is, controls/manipulates foreign policy in a lot of nations.

generally speaking id say that europeans (the brits most of all after bush/blair/iraq) are interested, in that they are praying for a democrat this time..

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:13 am
by MeDeFe
I don't feel particularly captivated by the campaigning, as for who every else in the world thinks should win... I can only speak for myself, but I'm just hoping you don't elect an utter moron like you did the last two times. That article got one thing right, noone in Europe understood what the big fuss about Clinton was, ooh, he got a blowjob and cheated on his wife, so what? Are you jealous or something?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:21 am
by suggs
Too bloody right MedeFe- Clinton was a great President.
"Dear God, Please Help The USA To Elect A Democrat So We Make It To 2050 Without The World Getting Blown Up".

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:40 am
by mr. incrediball
you're not allowed to have bush again.

that's all that matters.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:04 am
by lalaland
mr. incrediball wrote:you're not allowed to have bush again.

that's all that matters.


Lets hope his daughters never go into politics.... :shock: