Conquer Club

Here's an interesting question that I certainly did not plagerise from an obscure comment on a YouTube video.

Let's say that God exists, then he can do everything, correct?
That means he would have the power to kill himself and yet being God, he cannot die. So you have a paradox right there.

An original thought of mine is how the Devil hasn't and will never understand that God is immortal and cannot be defeated.
He actually seems a bit dim to me.

Anyway, discuss with glee.

i was under the impression that the devils big flaw was that he found himself pretty capable as well.

f*ck God.

Minister Masket wrote:Here's an interesting question that I certainly did not plagerise from an obscure comment on a YouTube video.

Let's say that God exists, then he can do everything, correct?
That means he would have the power to kill himself and yet being God, he cannot die. So you have a paradox right there.

An original thought of mine is how the Devil hasn't and will never understand that God is immortal and cannot be defeated.
He actually seems a bit dim to me.

Anyway, discuss with glee.

1/ God is still constraind by logic
2/ Your question is actually philosophical sophistry, and is actually non-sensical (a bit like the problem of induction).

Why did you just put logic and God in the same sentence?

it does seem a bit inconvient dont you think that arguably the best tools that God would have given humanity as far as discerning things would be logic and reason....which seemingly cannot bridge the gap between God and man if that is in fact what God had original sought.

If you can prove God exists, then I'll hate God


Haha, always loved this quote

unriggable wrote:f*ck God.

That's a statement right there.

Minister Masket wrote:An original thought of mine is how the Devil hasn't and will never understand that God is immortal and cannot be defeated.
He actually seems a bit dim to me.

Anyway, discuss with glee.

Angels make the choice once how to live, once they've sinned they're eternaly corrupted.

This is rather similar to something I thought of in my philosophical internal reflection period of my life! It goes a little something like this:

Basing your theory around the ideal that "God" can do anything and is all powerful. Could "God" make a rock that "God" could not lift? Supposing "God" manages to make a rock that he himself cannot lift, in turn, would that rock become God, because "God" cannot lift it?

Yet another "God" paradox, there are too many of them!

My personal stance on the whole "God" subject is:

0 ≠ 11
0 + 11 = 11

You cannot get 11 from 0 unless you ADD 11 to it, everything comes from somewhere, but in order for everything to come from this somewhere, the "somewhere" itself HAD to come from somewhere-else. If somewhere did NOT come from somewhere-else, then everything does not need to come from somewhere.


( I hope everyone can understand that )

I'll give a few quotes from famouse theologians:

Augustine: Our minds are in contact with eternal, objective, and absalute truth superior to our mindsand the eternal is divine, not human.

Descartes: Our idea of a perfect God could not have come from any imperfect source (cause), for the effect cannot be greater than the cause. Thus it must have come from God.

C.S. Lewis: Innate desires correspond to real objects, and we have an innate desire (at least unconsciously) for God, and Heaven.

Descartes was a theologian? I thought he was a mathematician.

Melonanade Master, if everything has to come from somewhere, how do you validate the existance of the universe? Or do you think it's been around forever (non-rhetorical)?

could Jesus microwave a burrito to make it so hot that even he himself could not eat it?
-Homer Simpson

Hitman079 wrote:could Jesus microwave a burrito to make it so hot that even he himself could not eat it?
-Homer Simpson

i LOVE that episode. when I'm high i like watching the clips of it on youtube.

I'm of the belief that God has rules like everything else but that compared to us all powerful isn't that much of a stretch.

That God can do anything can't possibly be. Almost anything? That's more likely.

bob the pirate wrote:Descartes was a theologian? I thought he was a mathematician.

Melonanade Master, if everything has to come from somewhere, how do you validate the existance of the universe? Or do you think it's been around forever (non-rhetorical)?

I'm saying that the basic principal is that everything needs to have come from some where, but if you go back far enough its apparent that something needed to alwase be there in order to make sense of things.

Yes everything starts somewhere and in the case of the Earth it was probably with a combination of interstellar dust and gas. Mundane I know but far more likely than it being the result of the whim of a supernatural being.

Coleman wrote:I'm of the belief that God has rules like everything else but that compared to us all powerful isn't that much of a stretch.

That God can do anything can't possibly be. Almost anything? That's more likely.

I believe the more technical way to say it is "God has knowledge of and power over everything that exists." To say "God can do anything" is misleading, in that there are some things which are inherent contradictions. For instance, God cannot make a square circle, because it is impossible to define within reality.

Can God make a rock to for Him to lift? Let's think about it.
There is an Infinite lifter and an Infinite creator.
Is it possible for the infinite lifter to find something he cannot lift? No matter how big the infinite creator makes it, it's always liftable. This is not a testament to the weakness of the infinite creator, he can make it infinitely big. It is rather a testament to the ability of the infinite lifter. God is unlimited in power, but essentially, the question is "Can God be less than God by making something He no longer has authority over?" And the answer, clearly, is no.

I now expect a question on free will, because whenever I talk about omnipotence, it inevitably leads to omniscience and into free will.

MR. Nate wrote:
I now expect a question on free will, because whenever I talk about omnipotence, it inevitably leads to omniscience and into free will.

Why did God give us free will. My theory is that he would be too bored if we were his slaves/minions/brainwashed loyal folowers.

fireedud wrote:

MR. Nate wrote:
I now expect a question on free will, because whenever I talk about omnipotence, it inevitably leads to omniscience and into free will.

Why did God give us free will. My theory is that he would be too bored if we were his slaves/minions/brainwashed loyal folowers.

I think it's the "If you love something let it go." concept. It's the only way to know it loves you back.