Pearl Harbor Day - December 7th

[Fireside Poet]

[MeDeFe]

Pearl Harbor was an inside job! The Illuminati allowed the Japanese to attack to get the USA into the war so they could make money selling weapons to every side.

That much for conspiracies.


Yeah, people died, the USA went to war, more people died, A-bombs were used, it was a sad day indeed.

[comic boy]

Just as well the Brits dont commemorate every punch up in their history

[Minister Masket]

Just as well the Brits dont commemorate every punch up in their history

Aye!

[DaGip]

Pearl Harbor was an inside job! The Illuminati allowed the Japanese to attack to get the USA into the war so they could make money selling weapons to every side.

That much for conspiracies.


Yeah, people died, the USA went to war, more people died, A-bombs were used, it was a sad day indeed.

It's my Dad's BIRTHDAY!

Happy Birthday, DAD! A day that will live in infamy!

[Fireside Poet]

Just as well the Brits dont commemorate every punch up in their history

That's because the brits aren't worth commemorating.

[jay_a2j]

Inside job. They needed a reason to enter the war....hmmmm much like 911.

[muy_thaiguy]

Inside job. They needed a reason to enter the war....hmmmm much like 911.

Yep, needed a reason to go to war where the President was adament to remain neutral, and even after it happened, Hitler declared war on us before we declared war ourselves.

[jay_a2j]

Inside job. They needed a reason to enter the war....hmmmm much like 911.

Yep, needed a reason to go to war where the President was adament to remain neutral, and even after it happened, Hitler declared war on us before we declared war ourselves.

I wonder why? Japan attacks the "sleeping giant" and Hitler was supposed to believe that we wouldn't enter the war? Anyways Hitler was funded by US bankers.

[dcowboys055]

FP you're on point with the Pearl Harbor memorial threads, I believe you started last year as well

A very sad day indeed.

[comic boy]

Just as well the Brits dont commemorate every punch up in their history

That's because the brits aren't worth commemorating.

And the Japanese are

[hrryflashman]

Hurrah for the Japs!

[Napoleon Ier]

Inside job. They needed a reason to enter the war....hmmmm much like 911.

Hang on jay, I must say I'm not in agreement there. US foreign policy had always been one of isolationist neutrality, and I think when you look at it, you can't possibly say Japan said "hey USA we bomb you then we'll have a massive war culminating in utter annhillation of two of our cities", (and you'd be hard pressed to find any evidence the US staged it, we're talking hundreds of thousands of US seamen and an entire japanese fleet)

[hrryflashman]

the conspiracy theory about Pearl Harbour is that Roosevelt had early warning of the Jap attack, and deliberately ignored it so as to create a Lusitania style outrage.
One of the more convincing conspiracy theories, but i suspect it just hastened Yank intervention-Rossevelt was determined to help Europe out, for fear of Nazi world domination.

[Anarkistsdream]

Man, I completely forgot about that yesterday...

I feel bad for not remembering.

You have to feel bad for all of those servicemen.

[hrryflashman]

nah it was a cracker of the day for the Japs! BOOM! BANG! loads of yanks dead. Up yours, you bunch of oil sanctions imperialist buggers.
class day.

[glide]

As a veteran of the navy, and having sailed into Pearl Harbor, and saluted the USS Arizona memorial on more than one occasion, I find your post disgusting.....especially coming from someone from UK. My uncle lost his life on a corvette, escorting supplies to Britain during the battle of the Atlantic. My father served in the Royal Navy during the same war. And during 21 years service in the Canadian Navy I made many friends in both the U.S. Navy, as well as the Royal Navy. Perhaps one of them will reach out and grab your uneducated ass and explain where UK would be right now if not for the efforts of Canada, the U.S., and many other countries. Show some respect. And if you don't think I'm right.....try asking your grandparents what they think of your comments.

[Fireside Poet]

As a veteran of the navy, and having sailed into Pearl Harbor, and saluted the USS Arizona memorial on more than one occasion, I find your post disgusting.....especially coming from someone from UK. My uncle lost his life on a corvette, escorting supplies to Britain during the battle of the Atlantic. My father served in the Royal Navy during the same war. And during 21 years service in the Canadian Navy I made many friends in both the U.S. Navy, as well as the Royal Navy. Perhaps one of them will reach out and grab your uneducated ass and explain where UK would be right now if not for the efforts of Canada, the U.S., and many other countries. Show some respect. And if you don't think I'm right.....try asking your grandparents what they think of your comments.

[radiojake]

As a veteran of the navy, and having sailed into Pearl Harbor, and saluted the USS Arizona memorial on more than one occasion, I find your post disgusting.....especially coming from someone from UK. My uncle lost his life on a corvette, escorting supplies to Britain during the battle of the Atlantic. My father served in the Royal Navy during the same war. And during 21 years service in the Canadian Navy I made many friends in both the U.S. Navy, as well as the Royal Navy. Perhaps one of them will reach out and grab your uneducated ass and explain where UK would be right now if not for the efforts of Canada, the U.S., and many other countries. Show some respect. And if you don't think I'm right.....try asking your grandparents what they think of your comments.

Pff, its always the old 'if it weren't for such and such you'd all be speaking german/japanese/insert another scary foreign language... ooh scary' -

You're uncle didn't have to die, he didn't have to join the navy. Servicemen who die during service don't deserve any special rememberance. They chose to be a pawn for the government. (unless, ofcourse, they were conscripted, but they still did go. I'd sit in jail before I joined the fucking army)

Whatever... The ironic thing about all the rememberance days there are for different wars is that people obviously DO forget because they keep sending out more troops to be killed. Morons.

[Napoleon Ier]

The French representative of the forum apologises for the ingratitide of his countrymen at the US, expresses alarm at the perfidious comments perpetrated by Bolshevik conspirators above, prays that the souls of departed servicemen dead in service of freedom and their country will come through the mercy of God to rest in peace, and prays for the US and its allies to acheive final victory against the mohametans in Iraq.

dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori.

That is all.

[jay_a2j]

Inside job. They needed a reason to enter the war....hmmmm much like 911.

Hang on jay, I must say I'm not in agreement there. US foreign policy had always been one of isolationist neutrality, and I think when you look at it, you can't possibly say Japan said "hey USA we bomb you then we'll have a massive war culminating in utter annhillation of two of our cities", (and you'd be hard pressed to find any evidence the US staged it, we're talking hundreds of thousands of US seamen and an entire japanese fleet)

From what I've heard:

1) The US knew weeks in advance that the Japanese were going to attack.

2) Australia alerted the US when a Japanese fleet was headed toward us.

3) The US cut off trade with Japan in order to provoke a response.


I'm looking through different eyes then you. It has nothing to do with "being isolationist" or not.... (US policy can be very different then those calling the shots).


Questions (concerning another war):

1. Why were we not allowed to bomb the Ho-Chi-Min trail? (this is where N.Vietnam was getting supplies via)

2. Why were US troops instructed NOT to fire on enemy anti-aircraft unless they were "100% sure it was fully operational"?

[Serbia]

It's my Dad's BIRTHDAY!

Also happens to be my Mom's birthday.

There are some children here who are completely ignorant of history, and life in general. There are bad people in this world, who can only be faced using the violent use of force. You choose to call soldiers pawns, and give them no respect. They have more courage than the little boys who make statements by sitting in jail cells. I appreciate the sacrifices of those who died, and those who fought and lived, fighting not only for their freedoms, but for the freedoms of the very frequently ungrateful other in both our nation and those we liberated.

[Napoleon Ier]

From what I've heard:

1) The US knew weeks in advance that the Japanese were going to attack.

2) Australia alerted the US when a Japanese fleet was headed toward us.

3) The US cut off trade with Japan in order to provoke a response.

I was unfairly dismissive, thats something to think about. Still, I think he US hardly needed a motive to enter war.

That said, I do hope you don't believe that the US should have let Adolf get away with doing his stuff?

Questions (concerning another war):

1. Why were we not allowed to bomb the Ho-Chi-Min trail? (this is where N.Vietnam was getting supplies via)

2. Why were US troops instructed NOT to fire on enemy anti-aircraft unless they were "100% sure it was fully operational"?

Indochina....our boys were betrayed by the Communists jay. Yours were betrayed by the hippies...
If only they'd let the Army do its job France or America would have won.

[comic boy]

Jay the USA did bomb the Ho Chi Minh trail extensively,the consequencies for Cambodia proved disasterous. Surely you shouldnt need to ask why it is not legal to bomb a neutral country ?

[glide]

RadioJake: the last line of my post goes for you too.......try expressing that opinion of yours to your grandparents about the Battle Of Galipoli for example....or better still.....stroll into a pub in Oz and mouth off like you did here......unless of course your vast world experience hasn't included turning an age old enough to enter a pub. Grow up kid. Brave men and women die in wars defending YOUR right to talk crap.....without any repercussions with the exception of people like me shaking their heads at your ignorance. Again I say, show a little respect. Doing that may earn you the same some day.