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Can any archeology or ancient history buffs dispute this?

Postby Iz Man on Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:41 pm

Long before radiocarbon dating and similar techniques, the first serious archaeologists divided Old World prehistory into the Stone Age, the Bronze Age and the Iron Age. The Stone Age was further divided into the Paleolithic (Old Stone Age), Mesolithic (Middle Stone Age) and Neolithic (New Stone Age). The Neolithic period was characterized by newer forms of stone tool technology; specifically, by the presence of ground, rather than chipped, stone tools. However, by the middle of the Twentieth Century, archaeologists understood that the Neolithic was about a whole lot more than tool-making technology. It was about a thorough revolution in the way human beings lived on this earth. After millions of years of depending on wild plants and animals, people settled into permanent villages, and supported themselves with herds of domestic animals and fields of cultivated crops. This led, over a relatively short time in archaeological terms, to the rise of cities and all the complex trappings of civilization.

The key ingredient that seems to anchor the switch from hunting and gathering to gardening, herding and farming, is the domestication of starchy staple foods. The first of these were grains — particularly wheat and barley — domesticated in the Near East and Asia Minor beginning around 12,000–10,000 years ago. Wheat and rice were largely responsible for fueling similar cultural evolution in Asia. Likewise, sorghum and yams were domesticated in Africa; as were maize, potatoes and cassava in the Americas.

Domesticated starchy staples revolutionized life because they provided huge amounts of energy and, especially, because they could be stored to feed folks even through lean seasons. As I noted, wheat and barley were among the very first domesticated plant foods. And what do we do with wheat and barley? Well, we make beer, of course, and for that reason some archaeologists have argued that beer was the reason that people settled down and began to farm in the first place. In this view, beer itself might have led to civilization. Life without beer could scarcely be called civilized!

Others have argued, using archaeological evidence in the form of pictures on pottery and the like, that bread was the primary product of early grain domestication. Back in the 1950s and 60s, there was a great debate in archaeology over whether it was beer or bread that most likely fueled the Neolithic Revolution.

Archaeologists have posited that beer was brewed by soaking bread in water, or by diluting porridge, to make a mash. But the big question was whether or not it was specifically the quest for beer that led to the enormous social, technological and economic changes we call the Neolithic Revolution.

To make a long story short: The quest for beer spawned civilization.
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Postby frogger4 on Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:02 pm

that is a really interesting point. In history class, obviously they do not teach that beer led to civilization, instead that they made bread, and bread led the revolution.

The concept behind bread leading this revolution is that in order for people to settle in one place and then to start making great technological advances, first there has to be a surplus of food. Because of the creation of agriculture, especially wheat, people could spend less time gathering food and more advancing in other things.

It seems plausible that beer helped to bring this about. Throughout any ancient culture, the consumption of some sort of alcohol was almost always an import part of their society, which might lead to the conclusion that alcohol created that society. Looking at most of European culture, wine, beer, etc. (depending on the location) is an important part of everyday life, at least for some people. In a historical perspective, in many places, there was no safe drinking water, so by fermenting it into an alcoholic beverage, people could more safely drink it.

My personal opinion is that it was probably a combination of a surplus of food and also the creation of beer and the like that led to civilization. Considering the importance of alcohol throughout history, it probably played a role in civilization. On the flip side though, civilization as we know it could not have been possible without a stable food source, leading me to say that it was a combination of both which led the revolution.
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Postby Gregrios on Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:04 pm

I've never in days heard of a more ridculas theory than that. It just so happens, I agree with you for the most part.

I have recently done research on the civilization of North America. New France being the first civilization to form past the ocean limits.

Jeanne Mance was the most successful of her group to develop a civilization in Quebec and surrounding areas.

It just so happens, that beer was one of the top commudities of trading in New France. I beleive beer did have a big role in the development of New France. (Which later became New England, but that's another topic all together).

For this reason, I'd have to agree with the importance of beer and the person who invented it was indeed very wise.

But, I also think that rules and regulations of newly developed civilizations had their part in the success of New France and every civilization before and after.

I do beleive that who ever invented beer, had the intention of making people humble in their newly aquired atmosphere.

That person having great "Wisdom".
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