Conquer Club

im all for it

I am for it if it could be handled the way it was meant to be...

But considering that absolute power corrupts absolutely, there is no way a benign ruler would keep the system balanced for all people.

Anarkistsdream wrote:I am for it if it could be handled the way it was meant to be...

But considering that absolute power corrupts absolutely, there is no way a benign ruler would keep the system balanced for all people.

Valid point, hence why the soviet union ultimatley failed, but its ideals if controled would put capatilism to shame.

Against it, I like my independence, thank you very much.

muy_thaiguy wrote:Against it, I like my independence, thank you very much.

its much more than that acctaully but thanks for the input

The Soviet Union wasn't really communist. It was more like a dictatorship. Stalin killed more people than Hitler. The world has changed since Karl Marx but some of the basic ideas are still relevant in the 3rd world For developed countries it would never work because basically it runs against human nature.

graeme89 wrote:The Soviet Union wasn't really communist. It was more like a dictatorship. Stalin killed more people than Hitler. The world has changed since Karl Marx but some of the basic ideas are still relevant in the 3rd world For developed countries it would never work because basically it runs against human nature.

yes another valid point, which is why many people turn from it, but if were to be run not like a dicatorship i beleive it would work as long as people did not beleive in their capatilist ideals.

Bigfalcon65 wrote:

graeme89 wrote:The Soviet Union wasn't really communist. It was more like a dictatorship. Stalin killed more people than Hitler. The world has changed since Karl Marx but some of the basic ideas are still relevant in the 3rd world For developed countries it would never work because basically it runs against human nature.

yes another valid point, which is why many people turn from it, but if were to be run not like a dicatorship i beleive it would work as long as people did not beleive in their capatilist ideals.

One problem, a dictatorship is needed according to Marx, and that is one of it's major flaws. So I say, bah to Communism, for the simple reason that it throws everyone back centuries if it succeeds, and decades if it fails.

Liberal communism would be brilliant if we could get people to go along with it.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

Bigfalcon65 wrote:

graeme89 wrote:The Soviet Union wasn't really communist. It was more like a dictatorship. Stalin killed more people than Hitler. The world has changed since Karl Marx but some of the basic ideas are still relevant in the 3rd world For developed countries it would never work because basically it runs against human nature.

yes another valid point, which is why many people turn from it, but if were to be run not like a dicatorship i beleive it would work as long as people did not beleive in their capatilist ideals.

One problem, a dictatorship is needed according to Marx, and that is one of it's major flaws. So I say, bah to Communism, for the simple reason that it throws everyone back centuries if it succeeds, and decades if it fails.

of course it needs someone to run it, but not someone whos going to kill half his own population and it doesnt set you back it makes you equal which is what this country needs.

Chris7He wrote:Liberal communism would be brilliant if we could get people to go along with it.

only this is why it genrally never shows up, people cant deal with the fact of giving up their identity for the greater good of the nation.

Oh look.



A communist party...

Bigfalcon65 wrote:of course it needs someone to run it, but not someone whos going to kill half his own population

Ron Paul?

Bigfalcon65 wrote:.....people cant deal with the fact of giving up their identity for the greater good of the nation.

well DUH.......

Who determines the "greater good"?
You? Me?

Sorry, I'll take my chances on my own thank you.

You want someone else to tell you what you need, what you want, what you "should" have?

Can't imagine why its failed evey time its tried....

Chris7He wrote:Liberal communism would be brilliant if we could get people to go along with it.

But we never will, greed and self promotion are a part of human nature. The union movement is just another aspect of it. If your only way of getting out of a bad situation is to unite with other people then you'll do it.
But what annoys me about the anti-unionists is that their comfortable middle class lifestyles are owed to the union movements of the past.

Bigfalcon65 wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:

Bigfalcon65 wrote:

graeme89 wrote:The Soviet Union wasn't really communist. It was more like a dictatorship. Stalin killed more people than Hitler. The world has changed since Karl Marx but some of the basic ideas are still relevant in the 3rd world For developed countries it would never work because basically it runs against human nature.

yes another valid point, which is why many people turn from it, but if were to be run not like a dicatorship i beleive it would work as long as people did not beleive in their capatilist ideals.

One problem, a dictatorship is needed according to Marx, and that is one of it's major flaws. So I say, bah to Communism, for the simple reason that it throws everyone back centuries if it succeeds, and decades if it fails.

of course it needs someone to run it, but not someone whos going to kill half his own population and it doesnt set you back it makes you equal which is what this country needs.

Yet a dictator is going to kill those, or be the cause of those who die, if they do not agree with them, do not support them, or if they are simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Even if their power might be a threat to the dictator's. Besides, I was raised to be an individual and to look after myself, not to rely on others to do it for me. And I believe that is the best way to be, not to be collectivist or to to have communes. I believe in the traditional family values, not, well, you get the idea. Besides, in Capitalism, you are rewarded for hard work and job ethics, but not in Communism. You are stuck with where you are, no matter how hard you work.

communism is good but people are lazy...

Pff... Capitalism. It's a scam. If you're father is rich. You inherit his money. If you're father was poor. You inherit his debt. What's wrong with this system? It means whatever your father was. There's a good chance you'll be him. AKA... the George Bush system.

Bavarian Raven wrote:communism is good but people are lazy...

hahah... Wow... Way to prove your point... (About the laziness, that is)

Chris7He wrote:Pff... Capitalism. It's a scam. If you're father is rich. You inherit his money. If you're father was poor. You inherit his debt. What's wrong with this system? It means whatever your father was. There's a good chance you'll be him. AKA... the George Bush system.

Your lack of understanding dissapoints me.

What lack of understanding? Communism was the only thing that kept us capitalists from getting cocky. We always thought that the fog of war was hiding a utopian paradise and that we would be fucked if we touched any satellite nations near Russia.

Communist Russia kept terrorism out of the picture. Look now. We're flooded with terrorism and we're fucking with the world. Before, the trans-atlantic alliance was stronger, but we destroyed it after Communism disappeared. Communism kept an equilibrium and set a model for the US to follow.

Chris7He wrote:What lack of understanding? Communism was the only thing that kept us capitalists from getting cocky. We always thought that the fog of war was hiding a utopian paradise and that we would be fucked if we touched any satellite nations near Russia.

Communist Russia kept terrorism out of the picture. Look now. We're flooded with terrorism and we're fucking with the world. Before, the trans-atlantic alliance was stronger, but we destroyed it after Communism disappeared. Communism kept an equilibrium and set a model for the US to follow.

Actually, how do you think Soviet Russia kept so many people "under control" for so long? They used terrorism themselves, and yes, even Lenin did use it during his short reign. So, what example of Soviet Russia should we follow? Space? They beat the US to Space, but we jumped ahead and got to the moon first. We developed the first A-bomb, leading us to Nuclear Energy. AND, we are still around, Soviet Russia collapsed and was set back decades in many, if not all places.

communism doesnt work cause theres not quality control. in capitalism if a product sucks no one buys it so the company makes it better or else they will lose money. the government running business isnt profit minded so it doesnt care how good somethign is as long as it gets built

Just one question... I only skimmed the topic, but why is the U.S.S.R. being used as an example for communism? Not really fair to the ideology...

theres never been a pure communist country