Conquer Club

It is all now clear.

WTC:
The government hired its own suicide bombers to fly the planes into the WTC towers. Bombs planted inside the building by george bush's brother Marvin himself make them fall down properly. They HAD to fall down. It was NEVER going to be enough to simply fly two jetliners full of passengers and fuel into the US' tallest buildings. Unluckily for our would-be reptilian overlords, the buildings fall faster than gravity, proving to structural engineers and subnormal risk addicts everywhere that it was thuh guvimint what dun it.
Meanwhile WTC 7 is demolished too, for good measure. It was NEVER going to be enough to just demolish the towers. That wouldn't make sense.

Pentagon:
The government steals another plane, a 757, which it buries somewhere, possibly at Area 51. Its passengers and crew are shot if they are liberals, or, if they admit to listening to rush limbaugh's show, are given new identities and shipped to switzerland. The shadowy NWO types fly a missile into the pentagon instead, perhaps painted to look like an AA plane. Anyway it kills loads of pentagon workers. They are all accountants. Everyone else in the pentagon is paid off to pretend it was a plane, which they do because a) all civil servants are essentially evil and b) they all hated the accountants anyway.

Seconds after the explosion, shadowy new world order types drag several tonnes of pieces of 757 wreckage into the building. They need to work quickly because the fire dept will be there any minute. These pieces include the rim of a wheel; part of the landing gear; and pieces of fuselage. They are into the blazing building with these chunks of metal and out again in seconds. Nobody sees anything. Our reptilian overlords wipe their scaly, cold-blooded brows in relief. Phew!

Days later, Retired US airforce Colonel Minerva Bannister Flangethorpe III dares to write to a conspiracy website asking why the shadowy new world order types didn't just fly the original 757 into the building instead of hiding it, chancing it with a missile instead and planting wreckage. He is never heard from again.



I am convinced. Thank god for the internet, and for ron paul.

omg could we just merge all the 9/11 threads!?

clapper011 wrote:omg could we just merge all the 9/11 threads!?

please do!!! im sick of them, like state your opinion is fine, but do it one thread

^^^^

NWO shills, the pair of you.


The thread is clearly labelled as more guff about 9/11. There is no need for anyone to read it who does not want to. Yet the first visitor is - yes - a mod. And surprise surprise, they are calling for it to be shut down. I smell a rat. Or should that be... a lizard?

What dark agendas are at work here? THE TRUTH MUST NEVER BE SILENCED!

/sings

AMERICA, AMEEEERICA, THE LAND OF FREEDOM FRIIIIIES...

heavycola wrote:^^^^

NWO shills, the pair of you.


The thread is clearly labelled as more guff about 9/11. There is no need for anyone to read it who does not want to. Yet the first visitor is - yes - a mod. And surprise surprise, they are calling for it to be shut down. I smell a rat. Or should that be... a lizard?

What dark agendas are at work here? THE TRUTH MUST NEVER BE SILENCED!

/sings

AMERICA, AMEEEERICA, THE LAND OF FREEDOM FRIIIIIES...

u can have free speach but for the convenience of the communtiy keep it to one thread

cola please edit your avatar.. its disgusting

Want the REAL truth about 9/11?

Smurfs.

Those blue sonsabitches were hired by Bush himself to hijack planes, plant random explosives, and fire missles at Pentagon shaped buildings.

i like it heavycola, its so obviously true and there is simply no other explanation.

heavycola wrote:It is all now clear.

WTC:
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I am convinced. Thank god for the internet, and for ron paul.

Good stuff.

(and it seems the new mods have as little sense of humour as the old ones...)

lord voldemort wrote:

clapper011 wrote:omg could we just merge all the 9/11 threads!?

please do!!! im sick of them, like state your opinion is fine, but do it one thread

Should this man keep his opinion in just one thread?


Dr. Ernest Partridge: Consultant, writer and lecturer in the field of Environmental Ethics and Public Policy. He has taught Philosophy at the University of California, and in Utah, Colorado and Wisconsin



Much of the “evidence” presented by the WTC conspiracy theorists is demonstrably false, fallacious, or irrelevant. For example:

“The temperatures were not hot enough to melt steel.” True but irrelevant. This is a persistent criticism by the CT. However, the OV does not claim that the steel melted at the impact points (melting temperature, 2700°F), only that it was weakened. The temperature sufficient to weaken steel by fifty-percent (1170°F) was well within the range of the burning jet fuel and office supplies.

“The debris was quickly collected without inspection and shipped off to Asia for recycling.” False. It was relocated to a collection site at Staten Island, where it was examined by forensic engineers, and where personal effects were identified. (Here, here, and here are three of the 54,000 Google hits from a search for “World Trade Center” and “Staten Island” and “Debris”)

No steel frame building has ever collapsed because of a fire.” Another “fact” repeatedly asserted by CT-s. Irrelevant, even if true. The WTC towers were brought down by a combination of fire and structural damage caused by the impact from the planes. (The collapse of WTC Building #7 was not caused by either fire or impact from planes -- a problem for the CV which we will discuss later).

Now look very carefully at these images of the collapse of the WTC towers, here (north tower, 35:20. 36:40), here (south tower, 5:37), and here. (The numbers in parenthesis indicate the time locations in the videos). Notice that the collapse begins at the points of impact. Below the points of impact, the towers remain in place as the disintegration proceeds from the top down.

Next look at these video images of controlled demolitions (131:40) and also the collapse of WTC #7 (1:05). In all these cases, the collapse begins at the base, where the charges were set.

Assume now what your eyes plainly tell you: that (a) the collapse of each tower begins at the point of impact, and (b) that the collapse proceeds from that point downward. Next, try to weave these assumptions into the standard CT hypothesis that the towers were brought down by pre-located explosive charges. What results is this highly improbable scenario:

Charges had to be set beforehand at the points of impact, the 94th to the 98th floors of the north tower, and the 78th to the 84th floors of the south tower. Both aircraft, in stunning feats of piloting skill, succeeded in striking precisely at those pre-arranged locations. However, all charges placed below those points of impact were either duds or were insufficient to precipitate collapses. The towers stood firm as the demolition moved downward from the impact points.

In rebuttal, one might point out that the towers were supported by both the outer walls and an inner core. Might not the charges at the base have caused the collapse of the inner core, while the outer walls remained intact? This would account for the downward vertical plunge of the north tower.

Nice try, but it won’t wash. If the core collapsed within, the accumulating debris from above would have demolished the outer walls below. This did not happen.

However, the official version is not without problems, and the conspiracy theory is not yet out of the contest. There remain some troubling anomalies for the OV:

Foremost among these is the collapse of WTC Building No. 7. Five hours after the towers came down, this forty story structure collapsed. And this time, as you can see here (1:05), the collapse followed the exact pattern of a controlled demolition: beginning at the base and falling uniformly on its own “footprint.” The best that the OV can offer as explanation is that the foundation was weakened by fire, by seismic shock of the collapsing towers, and by the overload of debris from the towers. It is not a compelling explanation, to say the least. Perhaps this explains why an account of the collapse of WTC #7 is missing from the 9/11 Commission report.

Prof. Steven Jones, to my mind the most credible of the 9/11 critics, claims that melted and congealed steel was found in the rubble, and that it originated at the base of the standing buildings. The only plausible cause of melting with these properties, Jones claims, would be a high temperature explosive such as thermite. Jones is well-qualified to make this assessment. He is a professor of physics at Brigham Young University, with a specialty in metal-catalyzed fusion.

And this is just the beginning of a long list of anomalies that undercut the official version. Among them:

There were numerous reports of explosions below the impact points at the time the towers were hit. Others report that there were explosions before the planes hit.

Tapes of interviews with air traffic controllers were destroyed.

When news of the attack reached the Florida school where Bush was visiting, the Secret Service failed to remove the president from that previously publicized location.

There was a flood of "put options" (anticipations of loss) on American Airlines and United Airlines stock, within the week before 9/11.

The website, 911research.wtc7.net lists numerous additional anomalies; no doubt many of these are bogus, but there are others that are troubling.

The governments, New York City and State, and the Feds still have a lot of 'splainin to do.

The Attack on the Pentagon.

Unlike the WTC attacks, the Pentagon is rather simple and cut-and-dried. The official version is correct: The west side of the building was struck by American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757. The evidence is clear, unequivocal, and overwhelming. The alternative conspiracy theories (impact by a fighter plane or cruise missile) are plainly false, and at times simply pathetic.

This conclusion is compelling when we apply "the David Hume test” to the conspiracy theory: namely, the improbability of CT being true, despite the evidence for OV. Specifically, for CT to be true, we must also assume that:

Hundreds of eyewitnesses on the George Washington Parkway at morning rush-hour were either (a) victims of mass-hallucination, or (b) taken aside and threatened or bribed to testify falsely that they saw a commercial aircraft.

Immediately after the impact, squads of conspirators rushed to the scene (including the inside of the burning Pentagon) to plant body parts, personal effects, and bogus aircraft parts (some, like the engines and landing gear weighing several hundred pounds). Others dumped aviation fuel, to "falsely" suggest involvement of an airplane.

Alternatively, eyewitness testimony of those claiming to find these parts were also coerced, and published photographic evidence faked. All press reports were also concocted to give credence to the official version.

Finally, some explanation must be presented as to the fate of Flight 77 and its passengers, which somehow disappeared without any further trace at the precise time the alleged military aircraft or cruise missile approached and struck the Pentagon.

Sorry, but its just too much for me to swallow.



It's very simple, but some of you don't seem to understand that.


Why are you making it so difficult?





Lol

Dancing Mustard wrote:
This conclusion is compelling when we apply "the David Hume test” to the conspiracy theory: namely, the improbability of CT being true, despite the evidence for OV.

Jokes aside,

What's the "David Hume test"? The "is-ought problem"? Does anyone know?

“The temperatures were not hot enough to melt steel.” True but irrelevant. This is a persistent criticism by the CT. However, the OV does not claim that the steel melted at the impact points (melting temperature, 2700°F), only that it was weakened.


Then why did they find MELTED STEEL in all 3 WTC buildings? (Hint: because they used thermite to blow them up)

This is getting old. ANYONE who seriously researches what happened on 911 can come to no other conclusion other than "we were duped". Way too much evidence pointing to an inside job. But.... the sheep don't wanna believe that their own government could kill thousands of its own people and even more in the middle east. And by the time they do come around to the truth...it will be too late, they will already have given up way too many liberties to continue calling themselves a "free people". They will have chosen the government they will be getting.

NIST says that it does not support the PancakeTheory...therefore, the collapse of the Towers can not be explained without the introduction of "blast events".

Look it up.

Now, they just need to tell us what "blast events" means? Since the NIST is going WAY out of its way to not say "controlled demolition"...but it needs to answer us in the best way without using that kind of terminology. Otherwise, Americans will be grabbin' a gun!

jay_a2j wrote:This is getting old. ANYONE who seriously researches what happened on 911 can come to no other conclusion other than "we were duped". Way too much evidence pointing to an inside job. But.... the sheep don't wanna believe that their own government could kill thousands of its own people and even more in the middle east. And by the time time they do come around to the truth...it will be too late, they will already have given up way too many liberties to continue calling themselves a "free people". They will have chosen the government they will be getting.

We said once in the religious threads, but we'll say it again:

You are beyond salvation. If you want to dedicate your life to what you think is the truth, go ahead.

If anybody watches CSI, there's an episode staring a cult who thinks that aliens are infiltrating positions of power worldwide. Jay reminds me of them. Sure they aren't sheep per se, but they sure as hell aren't free either.

jay_a2j wrote:
“The temperatures were not hot enough to melt steel.” True but irrelevant. This is a persistent criticism by the CT. However, the OV does not claim that the steel melted at the impact points (melting temperature, 2700°F), only that it was weakened.


Then why did they find MELTED STEEL in all 3 WTC buildings? (Hint: because they used thermite to blow them up)

This is getting old. ANYONE who seriously researches what happened on 911 can come to no other conclusion other than "we were duped". Way too much evidence pointing to an inside job. But.... the sheep don't wanna believe that their own government could kill thousands of its own people and even more in the middle east. And by the time they do come around to the truth...it will be too late, they will already have given up way too many liberties to continue calling themselves a "free people". They will have chosen the government they will be getting.

How to go fishing for crazies, pt III

1) Post tard-baiting thread in an online risk forum.
2) Wait.

heavycola wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:
“The temperatures were not hot enough to melt steel.” True but irrelevant. This is a persistent criticism by the CT. However, the OV does not claim that the steel melted at the impact points (melting temperature, 2700°F), only that it was weakened.


Then why did they find MELTED STEEL in all 3 WTC buildings? (Hint: because they used thermite to blow them up)

This is getting old. ANYONE who seriously researches what happened on 911 can come to no other conclusion other than "we were duped". Way too much evidence pointing to an inside job. But.... the sheep don't wanna believe that their own government could kill thousands of its own people and even more in the middle east. And by the time they do come around to the truth...it will be too late, they will already have given up way too many liberties to continue calling themselves a "free people". They will have chosen the government they will be getting.

How to go fishing for crazies, pt III

1) Post tard-baiting thread in an online risk forum.
2) Wait.

Part IV - A new hope.

In addition to NIST refuting the government's Pancake Theory, the NIST tries to explain the collapse from a structural point of view from "observable evidence", that is, what you see on the video tape happening. So they see puffs of debris jetting out from the sides, and try to explain it off structurally in accordance with the GOvernment's Conspiracy Theory. But if a PancakeCollapse did not happen, then what is bringing the floors down?

DaGip wrote:But if a PancakeCollapse did not happen, then what is bringing the floors down?

That effect that happens with these things.

unriggable wrote:

DaGip wrote:But if a PancakeCollapse did not happen, then what is bringing the floors down?

That effect that happens with these things.

Kinetic energy from one floor dropping on another floor? But the NIST says that they do not support that?

And those things are hanging in the air, in a near frictionless state...they are not giant skyscrapers.

DaGip wrote:But if a PancakeCollapse did not happen, then what is bringing the floors down?

Ron Paul?

jay_a2j wrote:ANYONE who seriously researches what happened on 911

ahahahahahaha

/composes self

unriggable wrote:

DaGip wrote:But if a PancakeCollapse did not happen, then what is bringing the floors down?

That effect that happens with these things.

Notice the ball on the left DOES NOT move the other 4 balls. Just the ball on the right (through transfer of momentum). Why are not ALL the balls moved like in the case of the WTC?

jay_a2j wrote:Then why did they find MELTED STEEL in all 3 WTC buildings? (Hint: because they used thermite to blow them up)

Another way to convince you.


That is Thermite burning. Did you see such a bright reaction inside the WTC? No, you didn't. The amount of thermite required to pancake the building as it did would have to be huge, and the reaction visible. It wasn't.

jay_a2j wrote:Notice the ball on the left DOES NOT move the other 4 balls. Just the ball on the right (through transfer of momentum). Why are not ALL the balls moved like in the case of the WTC?

Jay you may have skipped biology - thank goodness you were there in physics class.

unriggable wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:Then why did they find MELTED STEEL in all 3 WTC buildings? (Hint: because they used thermite to blow them up)

Another way to convince you.


That is Thermite burning. Did you see such a bright reaction inside the WTC? No, you didn't. The amount of thermite required to pancake the building as it did would have to be huge, and the reaction visible. It wasn't.

You don't need thermite all through the WTC to create a pancake effect. The thermite used in the basement to weaken the base of the towers(by blowing out the basement creating a "footprint"[look it up]) then regular explosives throughout the towers to make the floors collapse and "pancake".

heavycola wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:Notice the ball on the left DOES NOT move the other 4 balls. Just the ball on the right (through transfer of momentum). Why are not ALL the balls moved like in the case of the WTC?

Jay you may have skipped biology - thank goodness you were there in physics class.

No, I took Biology,