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Two Flight Paths--911

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:35 pm
by DaGip
Okay, since it seems jay is itching for a conspiracy thread, here it goes.

Though I am not at liberty to condemn anyone, as we would need some form of credible investigation into the evidence; but it does seem that there may be evidence that the government is trying to cover up the true flight path of flight 77.

The two sources I came across were from a citizen's investigative team that calls itself The PentaCon and another separate entity called Pilots For Truth (PFT).

The interviews with witnesses done by the PentaCon team seems to corelate with the black box evidence that PFT had aquired from the NSTB.

It seems that from the evidence gathered by these two separate sources, the actual flight path occurred just South of the CitGo station, while the government's official flight path for flight 77 states that it passed North of the CitGo and knocked over 5 light poles.

Are these people and flight recorder evidence wrong? If so, then why? Please offer any evidence to the contrary on this.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... &plindex=1

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... &plindex=1

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:51 pm
by Backglass
How about the "Overplayed and Desperate" option? :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:02 pm
by DaGip
Backglass wrote:How about the "Overplayed and Desperate" option? :lol:

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Nobody would vote for the other options then...geesh! :roll:

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:21 pm
by 2dimes
I almost voted the fourth one, until I had someone read it to me. Turns out it was not "Dancingmustard iz a poop". I guess I abstain.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:47 pm
by Dancing Mustard
I have read the prophecy, and thus I have answered:

The American National Chipmunk Breeders Association wrote:What Are They Like As Pets?
Although we no longer keep chipmunks (since we decided to get cats instead) we kept them for about 4 years and they can make very entertaining pets. One thing is very important for these animals, however, and that is to make sure they have a sufficiently large enough cage for them to exercise and run around in. It would be cruel to keep them in a cage designed for smaller animals such as gerbils and mice.

We used to let our Chipmunks run around the house and if you handle them enough they will come and sit on your shoulder. They are not 'cuddly' pets, however, and do not like to be held for very long. The best you will get is a chipmunk sitting on your shoulder and letting you stroke it.

duckbar.gif (576 bytes)
What Do They Eat?

A very good question. The answer is "just about anything". We used to buy 'Supa Chipmunk' (hey, free advertising for the makers) which is a mix of maize, peanuts, sunflower seeds, wheat, flaked peas, pine kernels etc. etc. They also eat: peanut kernels (we enjoyed watching them open them), bird seed, dried or fresh bananas, carrots, dried apricots, apple, peas, sweetcorn, tomatoes, grapes, animal treats, dandelion (leaves and flowers), grass, flies (dead ones!), gravy granules (don't ask how Alex found this out), chicken, cabbage, cucumber and so on. In fact they seem quite happy to eat just about anything you put in the cage!

They are very cheap to keep as you will be able to give them left overs from dinner - particularly the vegetables and all the peelings from the veg before you actually ate it.

duckbar.gif (576 bytes)
What Do They Do?

Ummm, they run around the cage a lot (we had three large cages), they eat (well they store more food than they actually eat), they run round their wheel, they do acrobats on the tree branches they have in their cages, they sleep .... they make awful noises when ready to mate, and when we used to let them out of their cages for a run, they dug up all my plants and very kindly buried sunflower seeds in the pots instead. They also like eating curtains so beware. Did I mention that they sleep! Oh and they don't like gerbils very much - we found that out when we put our gerbils in with them - the gerbils took over the cage and the chipmunks were left homeless! Don't worry we soon moved the gerbils out.

Chipmunks are delightful little animals when you let them out of the cage as they run up your legs, sit on your head, chew your feet and have a particular fancy to towels and dressing gowns. If you have a chipmunk let him/her near your dressing gown - they love the towelling material

duckbar.gif (576 bytes)
What Should I Put In Their Cage?

We are not going to list the sizes and types of cages that you can buy for chipmunks as there are so many. What we will say, however, is that the chipmunk is very active and needs room to be able to run, jump and 'play'. Don't even consider buying a cage suitable for other small animals such as hamsters, gerbils etc. Most pet shops/superstores offer a 'chipmunk' starter kit which is a fairly tall wire cage. We had two of these which cost about £70 each. We also splashed out on a much larger cage but it set us back £150!!

Originally we intended to keep our chipmunks inside until we bought a bigger house and then build them an aviary outside. We changed our minds, however, as we enjoyed watching them and wouldn't be able to see them so much if they were at the end of our garden.

There are a few essentials that should go in every chipmunk cage and most are fairly inexpensive to buy.

You should provide a nesting box for each adult. When our chipmunks were fairly young (we got them at 6 weeks old) they slept in the same nest box. When they got older, two of them still slept together but the other two chose to occupy one box each. Ideally the boxes should be off the ground and at the same height in the cage. This will help prevent one chipmunk from becoming dominant over the other. They will usually arrange their own nest so all you need to do is provide them with suitable bedding material and leave them to sort it out. We put a layer of sawdust in each nest box and provided fresh hay, small animal bedding (there are 2 types; one is like cotton wool and the other is like shredded J-cloths), paper tissues and empty toilet roll holders.

You should clean the cage out regularly but it is recommended that you only clean the nest box out twice a year and definitely not if you suspect the female is expecting a litter. We found that our chipmunks regularly emptied their nest box and then promptly collected it all up and put it back - kind of like having a spring clean we suppose.

Always provide fresh water in an animal drinking bottle that can be attached to the inside of the cage. It is pointless putting a bowl of water in the cage as it will inevitable get dirty and be knocked over. It doesn't seem to matter where you hang the water bottle as they always seem to be able to find it - we hang ours next to the food bowl, a logical place to be really.

The food containers should be fairly sturdy - stainless steel or pottery - so the chipmunks can sit on the side to eat without tipping it over. We also hade several plastic food containers that hang on the bars - these are usually sold in pet shops as bird food containers.

Provide 'toys' of some sort or another. We had branches that hung between the insides of the cage so the chipmunks can sit on them or climb up them. Make sure the wood is 'safe' in that there are no sharp edges or the bark isn't poisonous. They will gnaw at the wood so you need to make sure it won't splinter too easily or cause them any injury. We also bought rope ladders (again, you will find them in pet shops with the bird accessories) and last but not least a wheel. Ideally this should be metal and able to hang off the bars of the cage rather than stand on the floor. This makes it more stable and also provides a challenge for them to climb the cage to get to it. You will need a fairly large wheel - not one designed for a hamster or gerbil. Most pet shops sell them as 'rat wheels' and may give you a strange look if you ask for a chipmunk wheel!

Other than these essentials, you will find other animal 'toys' that probably amuse you more than the chipmunks. One fun thing to put in is a small plastic window box that can be tied to the cage bars. Fill this with compost or dirt and stand well back. Chipmunks love to dig and it won't take long before they start. All you will see is a tail sticking out of the compost as the chipmunk burrows down into the box. Note: this can get very messy as they throw the compost everywhere!!

duckbar.gif (576 bytes)
Who Can Live With Who?

When the Chipmunks are young they will live quite happily with either sex but as they mature into adults there are some rules that you will be well advised to follow.

Males will generally live together quite happily if they are introduced an early age (or are from the same litter) unless there is an uneven number of females in the same cage. If you are going to mix males and females then ensure that the number of females is either equal to or out-numbers the males. It is not a good idea, for example, to put 2 males and 1 female together as when the female is ready for breeding, the males will fight over her. Ideally you should have 2 females and 1 male (that will keep him happy anyway!)

Females seem happy to live together regardless - I have introduced a young female to an adult without problem.

If you are not sure how an adult Chipmunk will react to a stranger then be aware that you may end up having to buy a second cage to keep the new Chipmunk in! It is preferable to buy 2 Chipmunks (1 male a 1 female) whilst they are still young so you won't get any problems. Do not, however, buy the Chipmunks from the same litter if you are intending to breed them.

duckbar.gif (576 bytes)
Breeding

Chipmunks are not that easy to breed. They do not breed until they are at least 1 year old and then they only breed twice a year. This is good news if you do not want loads of Chipmunks running around but bad news if you are desperately waiting for 'the patter of tiny feet'.

In the 4 years we kept Chipmunks we only had 3 litters - 2 from one female and 1 from another.

Generally you will know when the female is ready to breed as she 'chirps' continuously and it will probably drive you mad - it did us. From then on in, you never really know whether the breeding has taken place or not.



Don't you ever say that I don't love you...

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:55 pm
by DaGip
Dancing Mustard wrote:I have read the prophecy, and thus I have answered:

The American National Chipmunk Breeders Association wrote:What Are They Like As Pets?
Although we no longer keep chipmunks (since we decided to get cats instead) we kept them for about 4 years and they can make very entertaining pets. One thing is very important for these animals, however, and that is to make sure they have a sufficiently large enough cage for them to exercise and run around in. It would be cruel to keep them in a cage designed for smaller animals such as gerbils and mice.

We used to let our Chipmunks run around the house and if you handle them enough they will come and sit on your shoulder. They are not 'cuddly' pets, however, and do not like to be held for very long. The best you will get is a chipmunk sitting on your shoulder and letting you stroke it.

duckbar.gif (576 bytes)
What Do They Eat?

A very good question. The answer is "just about anything". We used to buy 'Supa Chipmunk' (hey, free advertising for the makers) which is a mix of maize, peanuts, sunflower seeds, wheat, flaked peas, pine kernels etc. etc. They also eat: peanut kernels (we enjoyed watching them open them), bird seed, dried or fresh bananas, carrots, dried apricots, apple, peas, sweetcorn, tomatoes, grapes, animal treats, dandelion (leaves and flowers), grass, flies (dead ones!), gravy granules (don't ask how Alex found this out), chicken, cabbage, cucumber and so on. In fact they seem quite happy to eat just about anything you put in the cage!

They are very cheap to keep as you will be able to give them left overs from dinner - particularly the vegetables and all the peelings from the veg before you actually ate it.

duckbar.gif (576 bytes)
What Do They Do?

Ummm, they run around the cage a lot (we had three large cages), they eat (well they store more food than they actually eat), they run round their wheel, they do acrobats on the tree branches they have in their cages, they sleep .... they make awful noises when ready to mate, and when we used to let them out of their cages for a run, they dug up all my plants and very kindly buried sunflower seeds in the pots instead. They also like eating curtains so beware. Did I mention that they sleep! Oh and they don't like gerbils very much - we found that out when we put our gerbils in with them - the gerbils took over the cage and the chipmunks were left homeless! Don't worry we soon moved the gerbils out.

Chipmunks are delightful little animals when you let them out of the cage as they run up your legs, sit on your head, chew your feet and have a particular fancy to towels and dressing gowns. If you have a chipmunk let him/her near your dressing gown - they love the towelling material

duckbar.gif (576 bytes)
What Should I Put In Their Cage?

We are not going to list the sizes and types of cages that you can buy for chipmunks as there are so many. What we will say, however, is that the chipmunk is very active and needs room to be able to run, jump and 'play'. Don't even consider buying a cage suitable for other small animals such as hamsters, gerbils etc. Most pet shops/superstores offer a 'chipmunk' starter kit which is a fairly tall wire cage. We had two of these which cost about £70 each. We also splashed out on a much larger cage but it set us back £150!!

Originally we intended to keep our chipmunks inside until we bought a bigger house and then build them an aviary outside. We changed our minds, however, as we enjoyed watching them and wouldn't be able to see them so much if they were at the end of our garden.

There are a few essentials that should go in every chipmunk cage and most are fairly inexpensive to buy.

You should provide a nesting box for each adult. When our chipmunks were fairly young (we got them at 6 weeks old) they slept in the same nest box. When they got older, two of them still slept together but the other two chose to occupy one box each. Ideally the boxes should be off the ground and at the same height in the cage. This will help prevent one chipmunk from becoming dominant over the other. They will usually arrange their own nest so all you need to do is provide them with suitable bedding material and leave them to sort it out. We put a layer of sawdust in each nest box and provided fresh hay, small animal bedding (there are 2 types; one is like cotton wool and the other is like shredded J-cloths), paper tissues and empty toilet roll holders.

You should clean the cage out regularly but it is recommended that you only clean the nest box out twice a year and definitely not if you suspect the female is expecting a litter. We found that our chipmunks regularly emptied their nest box and then promptly collected it all up and put it back - kind of like having a spring clean we suppose.

Always provide fresh water in an animal drinking bottle that can be attached to the inside of the cage. It is pointless putting a bowl of water in the cage as it will inevitable get dirty and be knocked over. It doesn't seem to matter where you hang the water bottle as they always seem to be able to find it - we hang ours next to the food bowl, a logical place to be really.

The food containers should be fairly sturdy - stainless steel or pottery - so the chipmunks can sit on the side to eat without tipping it over. We also hade several plastic food containers that hang on the bars - these are usually sold in pet shops as bird food containers.

Provide 'toys' of some sort or another. We had branches that hung between the insides of the cage so the chipmunks can sit on them or climb up them. Make sure the wood is 'safe' in that there are no sharp edges or the bark isn't poisonous. They will gnaw at the wood so you need to make sure it won't splinter too easily or cause them any injury. We also bought rope ladders (again, you will find them in pet shops with the bird accessories) and last but not least a wheel. Ideally this should be metal and able to hang off the bars of the cage rather than stand on the floor. This makes it more stable and also provides a challenge for them to climb the cage to get to it. You will need a fairly large wheel - not one designed for a hamster or gerbil. Most pet shops sell them as 'rat wheels' and may give you a strange look if you ask for a chipmunk wheel!

Other than these essentials, you will find other animal 'toys' that probably amuse you more than the chipmunks. One fun thing to put in is a small plastic window box that can be tied to the cage bars. Fill this with compost or dirt and stand well back. Chipmunks love to dig and it won't take long before they start. All you will see is a tail sticking out of the compost as the chipmunk burrows down into the box. Note: this can get very messy as they throw the compost everywhere!!

duckbar.gif (576 bytes)
Who Can Live With Who?

When the Chipmunks are young they will live quite happily with either sex but as they mature into adults there are some rules that you will be well advised to follow.

Males will generally live together quite happily if they are introduced an early age (or are from the same litter) unless there is an uneven number of females in the same cage. If you are going to mix males and females then ensure that the number of females is either equal to or out-numbers the males. It is not a good idea, for example, to put 2 males and 1 female together as when the female is ready for breeding, the males will fight over her. Ideally you should have 2 females and 1 male (that will keep him happy anyway!)

Females seem happy to live together regardless - I have introduced a young female to an adult without problem.

If you are not sure how an adult Chipmunk will react to a stranger then be aware that you may end up having to buy a second cage to keep the new Chipmunk in! It is preferable to buy 2 Chipmunks (1 male a 1 female) whilst they are still young so you won't get any problems. Do not, however, buy the Chipmunks from the same litter if you are intending to breed them.

duckbar.gif (576 bytes)
Breeding

Chipmunks are not that easy to breed. They do not breed until they are at least 1 year old and then they only breed twice a year. This is good news if you do not want loads of Chipmunks running around but bad news if you are desperately waiting for 'the patter of tiny feet'.

In the 4 years we kept Chipmunks we only had 3 litters - 2 from one female and 1 from another.

Generally you will know when the female is ready to breed as she 'chirps' continuously and it will probably drive you mad - it did us. From then on in, you never really know whether the breeding has taken place or not.



Don't you ever say that I don't love you...


Self-fulfilling prophecy. I commend you, sir! :o

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:45 pm
by jay_a2j
Jim Ritter "Ahhh duh.... what flight are you calling about?" "I'll have someone contact you later"


You gotta be kidding! This REEKS of a cover up!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:46 pm
by jay_a2j
jay_a2j wrote:Jim Ritter "Ahhh duh.... what flight are you calling about?" "I'll have someone contact you later"


You gotta be kidding! This REEKS of a cover up!


According to the flight data recorder... "flight 77 was too high in altitude to KNOCK DOWN THOSE LIGHT POLES"

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:06 pm
by Backglass
jay_a2j wrote:According to the flight data recorder... "flight 77 was too high in altitude to KNOCK DOWN THOSE LIGHT POLES"


The same flight data recorders Xtratabasco claims have never been released? ;)

So, I assume these are flight data recorders from a 757 or is the military putting flight data recorders on missiles and drones now. :lol:

And how exactly DID those poles get knocked down in full view of the public? Men in Black erasing memories again?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:09 pm
by DaGip
Backglass wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:According to the flight data recorder... "flight 77 was too high in altitude to KNOCK DOWN THOSE LIGHT POLES"


The same flight data recorders Xtratabasco claims have never been released? ;)

So, I assume these are flight data recorders from a 757 or is the military putting flight data recorders on missiles and drones now. :lol:

And how exactly DID those poles get knocked down in full view of the public? Men in Black erasing memories again?


Backglass, I believe the flight recorders that haven't been released are the VOICE RECORDERS, but the FLIGHT RECORDERS have been released. You see, every airplane has two black boxes, one is a voice recorder and the other is a flight instruments recorder. The government hasn't released the voice recordings, but you can obtain the flight recordings from the NSTB via the Freedom Of Information Act. I don't have the time right now to research if my statement is right or not, but I believe it is. You guys can look into it, or if I have time, I will dig the info up for you and post it. But I am running short on time at the moment.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:27 am
by MeDeFe
HERE IS THE TRUTH BEHIND 911!! YOU MUST BELIEVE ME BECAUSE I WRITE IN CAPS!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt_tv7t79WY

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:36 am
by Backglass
DaGip wrote:Backglass, I believe the flight recorders that haven't been released are the VOICE RECORDERS, but the FLIGHT RECORDERS have been released. You see, every airplane has two black boxes, one is a voice recorder and the other is a flight instruments recorder.


Yes yes yes, of course. I am only restating Xtra's comments.

DaGip wrote:The government hasn't released the voice recordings, but you can obtain the flight recordings from the NSTB via the Freedom Of Information Act.


Exactly. The point being that this recorder and it's data is from a 757. Not a drone or missile.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:10 am
by DaGip
Backglass wrote:
DaGip wrote:Backglass, I believe the flight recorders that haven't been released are the VOICE RECORDERS, but the FLIGHT RECORDERS have been released. You see, every airplane has two black boxes, one is a voice recorder and the other is a flight instruments recorder.


Yes yes yes, of course. I am only restating Xtra's comments.

DaGip wrote:The government hasn't released the voice recordings, but you can obtain the flight recordings from the NSTB via the Freedom Of Information Act.


Exactly. The point being that this recorder and it's data is from a 757. Not a drone or missile.


Hehe..point made :wink: But why the two flight paths? I believe this is what the theorists are saying:

Flight 77 gets taken over in Chicago (? Is this right, xtra or jay?), it is flown to Washington under the noses of the world's most powerful and vigilant AirForce (which is being told to stand down by Dick Cheney), the plane does a 360 degree round about by passing over the Pentagon the first time (no defense of Pentagon at this time???), and then it returns at an altitude too high to knock over any light poles and farther South than the flight path given by the government.

Flight 77 is being tailed by some other military airplane and drops a missile to synchronize with Flight 77's second passover. Flight 77 pulls up slightly (according to eyewitness) to just miss the Pentagon, while a missile hits the Pentagon at approximately the same time.

Flight 77 from the most watched view point looks like it hit the Pentagon and escapes behind a curtain of fire and smoke. From the other side of the Pentagon, no one would notice, because RonaldReagan airport is behind the Pentagon, and people would just think it was another airplane.

Did I get this theory correct?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:37 am
by Guiscard
What does Ron Paul have to say on this matter?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:18 pm
by DaGip
Okay, watch this vid again...(i am sure you have seen it a million times, but you have to watch it to see what I am trying to get at).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6702794915

Now, somebody should be able to measure the heighth of the tailfin of whatever object that is as compared to landmarks and the obivious police car in the beginning. Has anyone done this? Then we could compare the heighth of the tailfin in the video to the heighth of a Boeing 757. You should also be able to estimate the speed of impact from this vid as well.

Now after the impact, there are some objects overhead, but could be debris...but I know the conspiracy theorists would like to say that those are something else.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:32 pm
by DaGip
The 757-200
As we can see from the freely available information for the Boeing 757 (from the Boeing website). The 757 is a midsized commercial airliner designed for short haul and medium haul routes (Medium Range Transport (MR-TR)), although since its release, and the subsequent discovery of the Wake Vortex it leaves behind the FAA has classified the 757 as a "Heavy" aircraft; the FAA places the 757 in the Geometric Design Classification IV, and an ATC Operation Class C. (source)

The 757-200 dimensions:
Tail Height: 44 ft 6 in (13.6m) Length: 155 ft 3 in (47.32m)
Wingspan: 124 ft 10 in (38.05m)
Body Exterior Width: 12 ft 4 in (3.7m)
Fuel Capacity: 11,489 us gal (43,490l / 43,490kg)
Maximum Takeoff weight: 255,000lb (115,680kg)
Typical Cruise Speed: 0.80 Mach (573.6mph / 956kmh)
Engines used on a 757: Two 166.4kN (37,400lb) Rolls-Royce RB211-535C turbofans, or 178.8kN (40,200lb) RB211-535E4s, or 193.5kN (43,500lb) RB211-535E4-Bs, or 162.8kN (36,600lb) Pratt & Whitney PW2037s, or two 178.4kN (40,100lb) PW2040s, or 189.5kN (42,600lb) PW2043s. (source1)www.flybernhard.de..." target="_blank" class="postlink"> (source2)
Auxiliary Power Unit: Honeywell GTCP331-200


Here are the dimensions, now why can't we put those same dimensions to the thing flying into the Pentagon? Also, keep in mind that the Tailfin heighth would be shorter than what is given, since the heighth given is for hanger clearance. That is to say, the heghth of the tailfin also includes the landing gear fully extended.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:39 pm
by DaGip
DaGip wrote:Okay, watch this vid again...(i am sure you have seen it a million times, but you have to watch it to see what I am trying to get at).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6702794915

Now, somebody should be able to measure the heighth of the tailfin of whatever object that is as compared to landmarks and the obivious police car in the beginning. Has anyone done this? Then we could compare the heighth of the tailfin in the video to the heighth of a Boeing 757. You should also be able to estimate the speed of impact from this vid as well.

Now after the impact, there are some objects overhead, but could be debris...but I know the conspiracy theorists would like to say that those are something else.


Does anyone know what that white flash is about 32 seconds into the video, well after the explosion happened?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:48 pm
by heavycola
DaGip wrote:
DaGip wrote:Okay, watch this vid again...(i am sure you have seen it a million times, but you have to watch it to see what I am trying to get at).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6702794915

Now, somebody should be able to measure the heighth of the tailfin of whatever object that is as compared to landmarks and the obivious police car in the beginning. Has anyone done this? Then we could compare the heighth of the tailfin in the video to the heighth of a Boeing 757. You should also be able to estimate the speed of impact from this vid as well.

Now after the impact, there are some objects overhead, but could be debris...but I know the conspiracy theorists would like to say that those are something else.


Does anyone know what that white flash is about 32 seconds into the video, well after the explosion happened?


It was the RonPaul signal, and it was being beamed into the sky by a desperate populace on the brink of disaster. Looks like he got here just in time.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:51 pm
by Backglass
DaGip wrote:Here are the dimensions, now why can't we put those same dimensions to the thing flying into the Pentagon? Also, keep in mind that the Tailfin heighth would be shorter than what is given, since the heighth given is for hanger clearance. That is to say, the heghth of the tailfin also includes the landing gear fully extended.


I have gone through this three times now complete with dimensions.

To quote Xtra, go back and re-read.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:03 pm
by DaGip
DaGip wrote:
DaGip wrote:Okay, watch this vid again...(i am sure you have seen it a million times, but you have to watch it to see what I am trying to get at).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6702794915

Now, somebody should be able to measure the heighth of the tailfin of whatever object that is as compared to landmarks and the obivious police car in the beginning. Has anyone done this? Then we could compare the heighth of the tailfin in the video to the heighth of a Boeing 757. You should also be able to estimate the speed of impact from this vid as well.

Now after the impact, there are some objects overhead, but could be debris...but I know the conspiracy theorists would like to say that those are something else.


Does anyone know what that white flash is about 32 seconds into the video, well after the explosion happened?


Okay, I hate having to quote myself all the time, but...this flash starts half way into 00:31 and lasts until half way after 00:33 (a total of about 2 seconds). This is a blinding flash that occurs, obscuring the camera and the entire view of the sky. Why? (explosion happens at 00:24 and then 9 or 10 seconds later you get a blinding flash?)

Even weirder is that the security gate opens up and a nearly invisible thing flys through the gate? Looks like one of the rod things, but why would it open the security gate? It appears at 1:24 then shortly after the gate opens, the object continues in a straight path and looks like it begins to slow down a bit as it appears on the lawn (1:36) and continues out of the frame. What is this thing?

Just a few strange tid-bits, I am sure I am not the first to question them.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:24 pm
by Minister Masket
Aliens. Definately aliens. No question.
Even better: Aliens with Elvis Presley. Flying into the Pentagon. Yup.

No idea what the flash is all about though.

Freeze it at 24 seconds. Just before the "thing" hits. To me, that looks not like a plane, but actually a MISSILE. Notice also how the footage speeds up whn it hits so that we can't see it fully.

Bear in mind that apart from this, the FBI took EVERY video footage of the "thing" approching the Pentagon. They have never been released.
I'm actually surprised the FBI haven't said that the tapes don't exist yet.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:12 am
by DaGip
In answer to the second mystery object that flys in, I found a second video that clearly shows that it is a police car zooming past, but why I couldn't make it out on the Google vid is beyond me? I looked at the Google vid over and over, and I could not make out a cop car. Then I went to another website, and you can clearly see the cop car coming in. But it still doesn't explain the bright blue flash that obscures the camera? I think the government will tell you that it is the light from an emergency vehicle, but I don't know about that...possibility I guess.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:17 am
by Iliad
Minister Masket wrote:Aliens. Definately aliens. No question.
Even better: Aliens with Elvis Presley. Flying into the Pentagon. Yup.

No idea what the flash is all about though.

Freeze it at 24 seconds. Just before the "thing" hits. To me, that looks not like a plane, but actually a MISSILE. Notice also how the footage speeds up whn it hits so that we can't see it fully.

Bear in mind that apart from this, the FBI took EVERY video footage of the "thing" approching the Pentagon. They have never been released.
I'm actually surprised the FBI haven't said that the tapes don't exist yet.

Aliens with Spiderman in their league! I found the answer!