Conquer Club

Do you believe that everyone has a destiny that they must follow, or do you believe in free will, or choice?

I believe that everyone has a destiny, but they are able to change that destiny through the choices they make.

Everyone has the free will to follow their destiny.

I think it's more like freewill.

Fircoal wrote:I think it's more like freewill.

But God knows exactly what you are going to do. So in a way, its both destiny and free will.

misterman10 wrote:

Fircoal wrote:I think it's more like freewill.

But God knows exactly what you are going to do. So in a way, its both destiny and free will.

Agreed with mm10.

but what if GOD doesn't exist?

Fircoal wrote:but what if GOD doesn't exist?

but he does
please, lets not turn this into another religious discussion

Yes, lets not.

Everyone makes their own decisions, there is no laid out plan.

dcowboys055 wrote:Everyone makes their own decisions, there is no laid out plan.

btw, nice sig

I know it was hilarious

misterman10 wrote:

Fircoal wrote:I think it's more like freewill.

But God knows exactly what you are going to do. So in a way, its both destiny and free will.

That's a cop out.

Your entire life's outcome is based on decisions that you make. For instance, last April i went and saw a band play in three different cities. At the one show i met a girl at the show and now 18 months later I've moved cities and am living with that girl. I love her to bits. Although she would say it was a kind of destiny, i think more it was just a series of circumstances. If I didn't go to that show, I would 99% probably be still living back in Adelaide and the last 18 months would've been completely different. It has nothing to do with god or destiny, but purely of the choices I made in my life. Pre-determined destiny is a mere product of humans who want another outlet to blame when their life choices turn out shit (or when people don't give themselves enough credit for their life's work. Like when people win awards of some sort, and they start off by thanking God or Jesus?? f*ck man, you wrote that book/song/screenplay - not god or jesus, don't thank them and give yourself more credit)

understand yeah?

radiojake wrote:

misterman10 wrote:

Fircoal wrote:I think it's more like freewill.

But God knows exactly what you are going to do. So in a way, its both destiny and free will.

That's a cop out.

Your entire life's outcome is based on decisions that you make. For instance, last April i went and saw a band play in three different cities. At the one show i met a girl at the show and now 18 months later I've moved cities and am living with that girl. I love her to bits. Although she would say it was a kind of destiny, i think more it was just a series of circumstances. If I didn't go to that show, I would 99% probably be still living back in Adelaide and the last 18 months would've been completely different. It has nothing to do with god or destiny, but purely of the choices I made in my life. Pre-determined destiny is a mere product of humans who want another outlet to blame when their life choices turn out shit (or when people don't give themselves enough credit for their life's work. Like when people win awards of some sort, and they start off by thanking God or Jesus?? f*ck man, you wrote that book/song/screenplay - not god or jesus, don't thank them and give yourself more credit)

understand yeah?

Nope, this entire thing is wrong. God knew you were going to do that as it was already planned out. He makes all the choices and he knows exactly what you will do. You may have made the decision to see the show, but God knew that you would because that was his will. Again, I don't want this to become another religious debate, but it will be what it will be. You can't argue with what I'm saying and make me believe it.

understand yeah?

misterman10 wrote:

radiojake wrote:

misterman10 wrote:

Fircoal wrote:I think it's more like freewill.

But God knows exactly what you are going to do. So in a way, its both destiny and free will.

That's a cop out.

Your entire life's outcome is based on decisions that you make. For instance, last April i went and saw a band play in three different cities. At the one show i met a girl at the show and now 18 months later I've moved cities and am living with that girl. I love her to bits. Although she would say it was a kind of destiny, i think more it was just a series of circumstances. If I didn't go to that show, I would 99% probably be still living back in Adelaide and the last 18 months would've been completely different. It has nothing to do with god or destiny, but purely of the choices I made in my life. Pre-determined destiny is a mere product of humans who want another outlet to blame when their life choices turn out shit (or when people don't give themselves enough credit for their life's work. Like when people win awards of some sort, and they start off by thanking God or Jesus?? f*ck man, you wrote that book/song/screenplay - not god or jesus, don't thank them and give yourself more credit)

understand yeah?

Nope, this entire thing is wrong. God knew you were going to do that as it was already planned out. He makes all the choices and he knows exactly what you will do. You may have made the decision to see the show, but God knew that you would because that was his will. Again, I don't want this to become another religious debate, but it will be what it will be. You can't argue with what I'm saying and make me believe it.

understand yeah?

no he doesn't. I'm not sure about God, but if he does exist he isn't planning out our life.

Fircoal wrote:no he doesn't. I'm not sure about God, but if he does exist he isn't planning out our life.

Your thoughts are your thoughts, and you can believe what you want. But in actuality, YES, God does have everything planned out.

sorry if I sound like an ass, but we are talking about religion

dcowboys055 wrote:Everyone makes their own decisions, there is no laid out plan.

But obviously there is, because you always make the same choice.

You cant take it back..
Therefore there is a laid out plan.

misterman10 wrote:

radiojake wrote:

misterman10 wrote:

Fircoal wrote:I think it's more like freewill.

But God knows exactly what you are going to do. So in a way, its both destiny and free will.

That's a cop out.

Your entire life's outcome is based on decisions that you make. For instance, last April i went and saw a band play in three different cities. At the one show i met a girl at the show and now 18 months later I've moved cities and am living with that girl. I love her to bits. Although she would say it was a kind of destiny, i think more it was just a series of circumstances. If I didn't go to that show, I would 99% probably be still living back in Adelaide and the last 18 months would've been completely different. It has nothing to do with god or destiny, but purely of the choices I made in my life. Pre-determined destiny is a mere product of humans who want another outlet to blame when their life choices turn out shit (or when people don't give themselves enough credit for their life's work. Like when people win awards of some sort, and they start off by thanking God or Jesus?? f*ck man, you wrote that book/song/screenplay - not god or jesus, don't thank them and give yourself more credit)

understand yeah?

Nope, this entire thing is wrong. God knew you were going to do that as it was already planned out. He makes all the choices and he knows exactly what you will do. You may have made the decision to see the show, but God knew that you would because that was his will. Again, I don't want this to become another religious debate, but it will be what it will be. You can't argue with what I'm saying and make me believe it.

understand yeah?

I don't want it to be a religious debate either, but it ends up that way so often because you guys seem to think he does everything. I don't believe in pre-determined destiny, and you can't prove that it exists. Again it comes down to whether or not someone has faith or belief in stuff like this. (I'm sure their are quite a few who are not Christian or anything but believe in destiny as well). Humans just think they're more important than they really are. 6 Billion people on the planet. How can anyone think that everyone's life is pre-determined? We're just animals. Are animals live's pre-determined too? (oh wait, they probably are, just humans control how long they are in the slaughterhouses for or how long their natural habitat is going to last for before it's destroyed for more housing developments.)

radiojake wrote:I don't want it to be a religious debate either, but it ends up that way so often because you guys seem to think he does everything. I don't believe in pre-determined destiny, and you can't prove that it exists. Again it comes down to whether or not someone has faith or belief in stuff like this. (I'm sure their are quite a few who are not Christian or anything but believe in destiny as well). Humans just think they're more important than they really are. 6 Billion people on the planet. How can anyone think that everyone's life is pre-determined? We're just animals. Are animals live's pre-determined too? (oh wait, they probably are, just humans control how long they are in the slaughterhouses for or how long their natural habitat is going to last for before it's destroyed for more housing developments.)

I see where you are coming from, all I am saying is that, as a Christian, you won't be able to alter my views, just like I won't be able to alter your views

misterman10 wrote:

Fircoal wrote:no he doesn't. I'm not sure about God, but if he does exist he isn't planning out our life.

Your thoughts are your thoughts, and you can believe what you want. But in actuality, YES, God does have everything planned out.

sorry if I sound like an ass, but we are talking about religion

Well God is a f*ck then

why would s/he plan out the destruction of the planet s/he loves so much?? Maybe because s/he made it in 7 days (apparently) and ultimately doesn't care because there was so little effort put in.

radiojake wrote:

misterman10 wrote:

Fircoal wrote:no he doesn't. I'm not sure about God, but if he does exist he isn't planning out our life.

Your thoughts are your thoughts, and you can believe what you want. But in actuality, YES, God does have everything planned out.

sorry if I sound like an ass, but we are talking about religion

Well God is a f*ck then

why would s/he plan out the destruction of the planet s/he loves so much?? Maybe because s/he made it in 7 days (apparently) and ultimately doesn't care because there was so little effort put in.

Honestly, there is no use in me trying to explain to you any of this. But to put it simply, you are wrong.

misterman10 wrote:I see where you are coming from, all I am saying is that, as a Christian, you won't be able to alter my views, just like I won't be able to alter your views

Actually I have an open mind and change my opinion, views and ideas quite regularly. I'm only 23 so it would be especially arrogant to believe my views now are concrete for the rest of my life. But yes, Christian's are unable to change their view because God's word is it? yeah?

misterman10 wrote:

radiojake wrote:

misterman10 wrote:

Fircoal wrote:no he doesn't. I'm not sure about God, but if he does exist he isn't planning out our life.

Your thoughts are your thoughts, and you can believe what you want. But in actuality, YES, God does have everything planned out.

sorry if I sound like an ass, but we are talking about religion

Well God is a f*ck then

why would s/he plan out the destruction of the planet s/he loves so much?? Maybe because s/he made it in 7 days (apparently) and ultimately doesn't care because there was so little effort put in.

Honestly, there is no use in me trying to explain to you any of this. But to put it simply, you are wrong.

Wait, is that because humans have FREE WILL ??

misterman10 wrote:

radiojake wrote:

misterman10 wrote:

Fircoal wrote:no he doesn't. I'm not sure about God, but if he does exist he isn't planning out our life.

Your thoughts are your thoughts, and you can believe what you want. But in actuality, YES, God does have everything planned out.

sorry if I sound like an ass, but we are talking about religion

Well God is a f*ck then

why would s/he plan out the destruction of the planet s/he loves so much?? Maybe because s/he made it in 7 days (apparently) and ultimately doesn't care because there was so little effort put in.

Honestly, there is no use in me trying to explain to you any of this. But to put it simply, you are wrong.

I doubt it. And on the topic of god and free will. Why would god punish people who don't believe in him. No-one is born a christian so the old"You tturned away from god" doesn't work.

radiojake wrote:

misterman10 wrote:

radiojake wrote:

misterman10 wrote:

Fircoal wrote:no he doesn't. I'm not sure about God, but if he does exist he isn't planning out our life.

Your thoughts are your thoughts, and you can believe what you want. But in actuality, YES, God does have everything planned out.

sorry if I sound like an ass, but we are talking about religion

Well God is a f*ck then

why would s/he plan out the destruction of the planet s/he loves so much?? Maybe because s/he made it in 7 days (apparently) and ultimately doesn't care because there was so little effort put in.

Honestly, there is no use in me trying to explain to you any of this. But to put it simply, you are wrong.

Wait, is that because humans have FREE WILL ??

As humans, it is free will, but that doesn't mean God doesn't know what we will decide to do. He knew I was going to post this message, even though I didn't know I would until this point.

misterman10 wrote:

radiojake wrote:

misterman10 wrote:

radiojake wrote:

misterman10 wrote:

Fircoal wrote:no he doesn't. I'm not sure about God, but if he does exist he isn't planning out our life.

Your thoughts are your thoughts, and you can believe what you want. But in actuality, YES, God does have everything planned out.

sorry if I sound like an ass, but we are talking about religion

Well God is a f*ck then

why would s/he plan out the destruction of the planet s/he loves so much?? Maybe because s/he made it in 7 days (apparently) and ultimately doesn't care because there was so little effort put in.

Honestly, there is no use in me trying to explain to you any of this. But to put it simply, you are wrong.

Wait, is that because humans have FREE WILL ??

As humans, it is free will, but that doesn't mean God doesn't know what we will decide to do. He knew I was going to post this message, even though I didn't know I would until this point.

actually I think you were pretty sure that you would unless a meteor hit you sometime soon.