Conquer Club

While I find turning Petraeus into Betray-Us almost 8th-grade in it's sophistication, i feel Keith Olbermann has the gist of the uproar just about dead to rights here.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bj6s5M68Raw

For those of you who won't click (most of you) he gets pretty angry about the fact that the right-wing sound machine is treating this like the Democrats broke some sacred ground by criticizing an active general, when it is Bush's fault for making Petraeus more or less a mouthpiece of the administration, and therefore crossing the traditional line between the military and the civilian government that is crucial to democracy. Thoughts?

I think he was being alarmist. Bush is a lame duck; so the damage that he can do along these lines is minimal. I have never thanked God and the ammendment process more for the term limits for the U.S. President though. I think that any talk of overturning those limits would bring open criticism to the point of revolt in this country.
I'm no fan of Bush; I'll support him while he holds the office and speak out against his policies where I see fit. I think that a healthy review of legislation passed after 9-11 is in order. That single event was used to push a lot of bad legislation through. I do agree that liberty isn't as free or assured as it was before the Patriot Act. The soldiers doing their jobs; the civilian workers putting their lives on the line, these people have my complete support. I'm just very skeptical of the types of measures that have been taken in response to the threat of terrorism.

Oh no terrorists! You can either:
A: Change your retarded policy in the Middle East and try to prevent any future terrorism attacks through steady police work.
B: Further instigate hostilities with the rest of the world by declaring war on a couple random countries that barely had anything to do with 9-11, and then acting like the butt hurt faggots you are and acting like 2,000 civilian deaths and 5,000 or so military deaths is a big deal.

Keep in mind that no matter which option you choose, your countries retarded political leaders will whore the event for their own gain, republicans and democrats alike. Yeah gee, you have such a nice country Amerikkka, for all your wealth you only have to show high crime rates, shitty education, a fucking massive and useless military and very little self-respect, the little self-respect Amerikkka does have is only used when it can benefit a minority group or politician (black pride, 'do you hate Amerikkka' etc.). I guess your fucked up country's shortcomings don't matter when you have so many useless consumer goods and McDonalds to stuff yourself with 3 times a day.

cawck mongler wrote:Oh no terrorists! You can either:
A: Change your retarded policy in the Middle East and try to prevent any future terrorism attacks through steady police work.
B: Further instigate hostilities with the rest of the world by declaring war on a couple random countries that barely had anything to do with 9-11, and then acting like the butt hurt faggots you are and acting like 2,000 civilian deaths and 5,000 or so military deaths is a big deal.

Keep in mind that no matter which option you choose, your countries retarded political leaders will whore the event for their own gain, republicans and democrats alike. Yeah gee, you have such a nice country Amerikkka, for all your wealth you only have to show high crime rates, shitty education, a fucking massive and useless military and very little self-respect, the little self-respect Amerikkka does have is only used when it can benefit a minority group or politician (black pride, 'do you hate Amerikkka' etc.). I guess your fucked up country's shortcomings don't matter when you have so many useless consumer goods and McDonalds to stuff yourself with 3 times a day.

Tell me...

Do you have a brain?

Oh look at me, I'm a little faggot with a really shitty username, I don't like your political opinion so I will type a sentence that doesn't address anything you just said, it will have to be without swears though or my mommy will get mad. Also, I'm a twelve year old faggot AmeriKKKan who gets mad whenever someone insults my country, even though its the shittiest industrialised country ever (other then Mexico and any other 3rd world shithole that pretends to be 1st world).

cawck mongler wrote:Oh look at me, I'm a little faggot with a really shitty username, I don't like your political opinion so I will type a sentence that doesn't address anything you just said, it will have to be without swears though or my mommy will get mad. Also, I'm a twelve year old faggot AmeriKKKan who gets mad whenever someone insults my country, even though its the shittiest industrialised country ever (other then Mexico and any other 3rd world shithole that pretends to be 1st world).

Nope... you don't.

pancakemix wrote:

cawck mongler wrote:Oh look at me, I'm a little faggot with a really shitty username, I don't like your political opinion so I will type a sentence that doesn't address anything you just said, it will have to be without swears though or my mommy will get mad. Also, I'm a twelve year old faggot AmeriKKKan who gets mad whenever someone insults my country, even though its the shittiest industrialised country ever (other then Mexico and any other 3rd world shithole that pretends to be 1st world).

Nope... you don't.

There's a reason I see the name cawck mongler and immediately ignore the post.

MSNBC???? Democrat(ic) Party....could we stop splitting hairs? As I watched this guy read the teleprompter I though, "this isn't this guys jokes and jabs at the president ...its MSNBC's fed bashing of the president."


Give me a break

all namecalling aside....from a machiavellian perspective, the us would possibly be very well served by altering many aspects of their foriegn policy in the middle east.

But just because something is a good idea doesnt mean it would ever be accepted by interests and the population at large.