Trump 100% Stole "classified nuclear documents"

[mookiemcgee]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-fbi-search-nuclear-documents-b2143554.html

FBI were looking for ‘classified nuclear documents’ during search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home

I guess this is why he's already pivoting to "The FBI planted it", he knows he's caught.

[saxitoxin]

The idea that Trump may still have the Gold Codes, and this guy -



- doesn't, makes me sleep easier at night.

Thank you, President Trump!

[saxitoxin]

Also, it will never be possible to bring criminal charges against Trump for possessing anything that wasn't initially classified after January 20, 2021.

The President can declassify anything simply by pointing at something and speaking the words "I declassify this" with no other procedure or process required. The DOJ would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt he never said that regarding any documents purportedly in his possession. Proving someone did or did not vocalize three words while alone with no other persons present is an impossible standard of evidence to meet.

[jimboston]

Also, it will never be possible to bring criminal charges against Trump for possessing anything that wasn't initially classified after January 20, 2021.

The President can declassify anything simply by pointing at something and speaking the words "I declassify this" with no other procedure or process required. The DOJ would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt he never said that regarding any documents purportedly in his possession. Proving someone did or did not vocalize three words while alone with no other persons present is an impossible standard of evidence to meet.

keep arguing with yourself over some minutiae point…

[mookiemcgee]

Trump new defense (for today anyway):
I did steal classified nuclear documents, which are still classified above top secret. The gov has been asking for them back both publicly and in court for over a year. I did knowingly not comply with their attempts to get the files back...which forced the FBI to search my property and recover the nuclear docs but... Obama did it too.

"President Barack Hussein Obama kept 33 million pages of documents, much of them classified. How many of them pertained to nuclear? Word is, lots!"

in case you are wondering about the obama claim

show

[mookiemcgee]

Also, it will never be possible to bring criminal charges against Trump for possessing anything that wasn't initially classified after January 20, 2021.

The President can declassify anything simply by pointing at something and speaking the words "I declassify this" with no other procedure or process required. The DOJ would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt he never said that regarding any documents purportedly in his possession. Proving someone did or did not vocalize three words while alone with no other persons present is an impossible standard of evidence to meet.

There are two obvious counters to this grasp at straws argument Saxi.

Anything Trump 'declassified' before he left office, could have been 'reclassified' by Biden on his first hour in office and Trump is powerless to stop this and would mean he was in possession of classified material.

The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 say anything related to the production or use of nuclear weapons and nuclear power is inherently classified, and Trump could utter whatever words he pleased yet still be in possession of classified material.

[saxitoxin]

Also, it will never be possible to bring criminal charges against Trump for possessing anything that wasn't initially classified after January 20, 2021.

The President can declassify anything simply by pointing at something and speaking the words "I declassify this" with no other procedure or process required. The DOJ would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt he never said that regarding any documents purportedly in his possession. Proving someone did or did not vocalize three words while alone with no other persons present is an impossible standard of evidence to meet.

There are two obvious counters to this grasp at straws argument Saxi.

Anything Trump 'declassified' before he left office, could have been 'reclassified' by Biden on his first hour in office and Trump is powerless to stop this and would mean he was in possession of classified material.

The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 say anything related to the production or use of nuclear weapons and nuclear power is inherently classified, and Trump could utter whatever words he pleased yet still be in possession of classified material.

Being in possession of unclassified documents which are then classified is not a crime, nor is being in possession of classified documents by someone not authorized to possess them (otherwise the U.S. would regularly jail journalists who get whistleblower documents). USC §1924 only pertains to unauthorized removal or disclosure of classified documents by a person authorized to keep or access them. If unclassified documents were removed by Trump, Trump ceased being president, and those documents then became classified, he would have no legal responsibility since - at the point they became reclassified - he was not authorized to have them. The government could certainly demand those documents back but Trump would have committed no crime by merely being in possession of them.

The Atomic Energy Act of 1954 modified the restrictions of 1946 so that nuclear information related to military use came under the control of the DOD and, thus, presidential classification authority; only civil reactor material is under NRC restriction. I doubt very much Donald Trump was in possession of design schematics for a nuclear power plant.

[saxitoxin]

Of course, this is all nonsense anyway since this is a Garland-concocted scheme to try to subvert and influence the midterm elections.

Democratic Party national security experts claimed the Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation in October 2020 and there was no such laptop. Reporting on it was censored by social media platforms. After the election it turned out it was genuine. No apologies or retractions.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Why do the Rats, their allies in Big Business, and their supporters in the War and Death Industrial Complex, keep trying to subvert elections and spread disinformation?

[saxitoxin]

Trafalgar Group, rated A- for polling accuracy by 538:



The American people are waking up and turning away from the ongoing drive of the duopoly of Democrats and Establishment Republicans to unleash the American war machine on the world; to brutally murder Arab children; to violate the sovereignty of independent states; to run hidden torture camps; to provoke conflict in Europe and Asia. They are aligning behind a more peaceful, restrained, and demure vision of the United States which limits its action to its own borders.

When the American people finally rip down these corrupt "national security" institutions -- including the so-called "FBI" -- built by Cheney and Biden it will be to memorialize Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, burned alive at age 14 by orders of the putrid and vile American war machine for the benefit of Raytheon and Lockheed's stock prices. The American state of the 21st century is the most wicked and evil entity ever conceived by the mind of man. For all his faults, only Donald Trump has the ability to lead its demise.

[mookiemcgee]

Trafalgar Group, rated A- for polling accuracy by 538:

This is a poll concluded Aug 10th, BEFORE anything came out what they were looking (highly classified nuclear material) for and Republicans were screaming about how this is the end of the republic.

[saxitoxin]

Trafalgar Group, rated A- for polling accuracy by 538:

This is a poll concluded Aug 10th, BEFORE anything came out what they were looking (highly classified nuclear material) for and Republicans were screaming about how this is the end of the republic.

So 36 hours ago?

Do you ever get tired of carrying water for the War Machine?

[mookiemcgee]

Do you ever get tired of carrying water for the War Machine?

I'm not the one who was served a warrant citing the espionage act, maybe he owed Putin one last favor? It's time your party just gives DeSantis a big bear hug and move on. Trump wasn't loyal to anyone, why do you keep carrying his water?

[saxitoxin]

Reminder: The 105 year old Espionage Act was mostly an anachronism until the Obama regime when the ruler, Obama, began using it to crack down on his critics and political opponents.

The Obama administration used the 1917 Espionage Act with unprecedented vigor, prosecuting more people under that law for leaking sensitive information to the public than all previous administrations combined. Obama’s Justice Department dug into confidential communications between news organizations and their sources as part of that effort. “The Obama administration,” The New York Times editorial board wrote at the time, “has moved beyond protecting government secrets to threatening fundamental freedoms.”

https://apnews.com/article/north-americ ... 9832369c92

If Obama's geriatric disciple, Biden, is now deploying his Secret Police and threatening to use the Espionage Act to remove opposition party members who dare run against him, cling to power, and remain in office, that definitely shows how vigorously Biden is working to overthrow our democracy.

[PureStink]

A source close to Donald told me that these documents are only photocopies and the real ones never left the White House, so frankly I don't see what the problem is here.

[saxitoxin]

Biden just ordered a labor union banned after it took steps that would lead to it endorsing his political opponent.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2022 ... bor-union/

The self proclaimed protectors of democracy remain silent as the spectre of fascist authoritarianism marches out of the shadows; as its 80 year old hetman accelerates the merger of party and state. As his popularity crumbles, he is weaponizing the government to cling to power while his dwindling ranks of slack jawed, wild eyed supporters cheer. This is just as Jack London predicted in The Iron Heel:

The members of the favored unions became the aristocracy of labor. They were set apart from the rest of labor. They were better housed, better clothed, better fed, better treated. They were grab-sharing with a vengeance. In the meantime, the rest of the working class was more harshly treated.

[saxitoxin]

This is why you can't argue with Rats. They're literally the Borg; just an unthinking, non-analytical, hive mind; simple automatons. When the Party Leader makes a decision, the collective is bound to obey. The ones who do are rewarded, the ones who do not are punished, and the opposition are raided and arrested.



Meanwhile, like all good little apparatchiks, they are the only ones who remain confident in the Secret Police and willingly squeal and snitch on their countrymen.

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And, in newly released court discovery, it's emerged the Regime secretly issues orders to social media companies telling them which of their critics should be banned; then, when the companies obey the Regime's orders, the Regime throws its hands in the air and claims they are merely private companies acting independently.

Andrew Slavitt, senior advisor to President Biden’s Covid response team, complained specifically about me, according to a Twitter employee in another Slack conversation discussing the White House meeting.

“They really wanted to know about Alex Berenson,” the employee wrote.

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the ... y-demanded

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the ... y-demanded

[Dukasaur]

They're literally the Borg; just an unthinking, non-analytical, hive mind; simple automatons. When the Party Leader makes a decision, the collective is bound to obey.

Sounds familiar.

Throughout his time in the White House, Donald Trump collected a number of exceedingly reliable footstools. There was Attorney General William Barr, who basically served as the former president’s personal lawyer. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, who regularly shredded his dignity on the guy’s behalf. Mike Pence, other than that one time. And, of course, the vast majority of the Republican Party, which lived in constant fear of getting on the wrong side of the then president.

One member of the GOP who consistently stood out from the bunch in his fealty to 45 was Senator Lindsey Graham. After declaring in June 2016 that he wouldn’t support Trump’s bid for office, referring to the then Republican candidate as a “jackass,” a “kook,” “a race-baiting bigot,” and “the most flawed nominee in the history of the Republican Party,” Graham subsequently became one of Trump’s most ardent and obsequious fans.

When Democrats were getting ready to impeach the guy the first time around, over his attempt to extort another country for his personal gain, Graham told reporters the whole thing should be “disposed of very quickly” by the Senate. When people brought up the fact that Trump regularly slandered Graham’s friend John McCain even after McCain was dead, the senator from South Carolina said he was willing to overlook the attacks because “when we play golf, it’s fun.” Two months after a literal insurrection, Graham told Axios: “Donald Trump was my friend before the riot and I’m trying to keep a relationship with him after the riot. I still consider him a friend.” Pressed on the fact that he’d already been reelected for another six years, so politically, he didn’t have to keep this relationship going, Graham doubled down, telling reporter Jonathan Swan it would be “too easy” to simply dump the guy, before claiming, in a highly worrisome way, that while there was a “dark side” to the man who incited a violent attack on the U.S. Capitol, there was also “some magic there.”
In short, Graham has more than proved his servility to Trump over the last six years, and should probably be inducted into some kind of Hall of Fame for bootlicking hacks, or given a key to Mar-a-Lago. Unfortunately, Graham forgot the cardinal rule of serving at the pleasure of Trump, which is that one must vigorously and without fail agree with every single thing the guy does and says, at all times, forever and always. Instead, God help him, the Republican lawmaker expressed an independent thought, and this happened:

Yes, Trump dubbed Graham, a lifelong Republican, a Republican in Name Only, in an interview with Newsmax that aired Tuesday night. That may not sound so bad to some people, but as Trump made clear in 2020, it’s among the worst things he can think to accuse someone of. (“Do you know what RINO is?” he asked a crowd in Arizona. “A RINO may be the lowest form of human life.”) Why is Graham, in Trump’s eyes, a RINO? Because Graham had claimed it was “inappropriate” for Trump to say over the weekend that he might pardon some of the January 6 rioters if reelected in 2024, a move that effectively would allow Trump supporters to get away with waging a violent insurrection.

“Lindsey Graham doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about if he says that,” Trump added to Newsmax’s Rob Schmitt.

Which is not a very nice thing to say about someone who’s basically had his head lodged inside your ass for over half a decade now! Though if we know Lindsey, and we think we do, it’ll all be water under the bridge by the end of the month. Last week, the South Carolina senator said in an interview with Fox’s Brian Kilmeade that he’d spent the “whole weekend” with Trump and suggested that the ex-president apparently has total control over the Republican Party. “He will be the nominee in 2024 if he wants it. Stay tuned,” Graham said, adding: “From my point of view, there’s nobody that’s going to beat Donald Trump if he wants to run.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/02/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-rino

[jimboston]

That sad truth is that no matter what they find or demonstrate about Trump… some significant % of the population is going to believe the lies that his cronies spew… and believe that he is somehow framed.

I don’t know what fixes it…. I do know that a fair number of people higher up the food chain in Republican/Conservative politics and “news” sources like Fox… I do believe that these people KNOW it’s all lies, but they continue to spew those lies because it’s a cycle and they are soooo deep in the lies they have already told they can’t get out.

[jusplay4fun]

There is a significant minority of Americans and voters who will support Trump NO Matter what he does or say. The same for the opposition to Trump. I would put the publishers of Vanity Fair in the Opposition to Trump.

I would argue that about 30-35% of the American votes support (largely or totally) support Trump. I put his opposition at least 40% or more.

The public media (print and electronic and Social media) has now added to this divide.

[mookiemcgee]

I don’t know what fixes it….

The ONLY thing that turns the corner here is Fox + rep in house/senate moving away from blind support of Trump. If/when this happens everything trumpworld starts falling like a house of cards.

That or Trump signs a legal document disqualifying himself from ever running for public office.

Neither appears likely anytime soon.

[saxitoxin]

LOL, after kicking and screaming, the DOJ has now been forced to release the probable cause affidavit. It basically confirms what everyone was saying. Their "evidence" is a story they saw on a local CBS affiliate in Miami and something they read on Breitbart. No wonder they were so adamant about the affidavit not getting released.

Fund the Police / Defund the Secret Police

[saxitoxin]

Based on further analysis of the affidavit, Khasam says it appears the FBI was attempting to seize evidence related to the debunked Russiagate hoax that further implicated the FBI beyond the levels they've already been implicated.

https://raheemkassam.substack.com/p/the ... eally-does

Remember, FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith was fired, disbarred and nearly jailed after a court determined he'd forged emails as part of an FBI plot to hoodwink Low IQ Americans into believing the Russiagate conspiracy theory (some functionally retarded ones still believe it). It appears the FBI was trying to save the rest of their necks by grabbing any other dirt that had the potential to either be revealed to the public or turned over to Special Counsel Durham's inquiry.

Time to defund the Secret Police.

[mookiemcgee]

Saxi's claim : The gov't is using a story they read on Breitbart as justification for the search

Saxi's source for the claim - former editor of Breitbart, a self described "far right nationalist' who was once almost banned entirely from entering Australia due to his vocal bigotry.

Rest assured his analysis is totally unbiased, and doesn't jump to any conclusions about what's in the affidavit

[jimboston]

LOL, after kicking and screaming, the DOJ has now been forced to release the probable cause affidavit. It basically confirms what everyone was saying. Their "evidence" is a story they saw on a local CBS affiliate in Miami and something they read on Breitbart. No wonder they were so adamant about the affidavit not getting released.

Fund the Police / Defund the Secret Police

Yeah… umm this isn’t even an arguable position.

It’s an outright lie.

Here’s a link to actual affidavit… not Saxi’s bullshit lies..

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document ... -lago-affi

Yeah Breitbart and CBS are mentioned in the document but they are by no means the main justification for the warrant… only minor supporting/additional justification on-top-of everything else that was provided as reasons for requesting a warrant. The warrant would’ve been approved even without those two paragraphs.

… oh and yeah… you know what. they did find a lot of documents that shouldn’t have been in his possession.
Imagine that.

[saxitoxin]

Saxi's claim : The gov't is using a story they read on Breitbart as justification for the search

Saxi's source for the claim - former editor of Breitbart, a self described "far right nationalist' who was once almost banned entirely from entering Australia due to his vocal bigotry.

UHHHH ... that's the FBI's source, dummy. I've never even read Breitbart once. I certainly wouldn't use something I read on it as evidence for a search warrant. Everyone was wondering why the DOJ was so hysterical about no one seeing the affidavit. I guess this answers it.