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jusplay4fun wrote:About one year ago, the USA went into a major shut-down for 2 weeks (15 days) to "flatten the curve." That has become a nearly year long shut down in most of the USA.

We are finally significant easing restrictions in some states, such as Texas, Florida, and Mississippi. (There was some easing in the summer, but that did not last.) In Virginia, there are some easing of a few restrictions, but masks and social distancing is still the expectations and the RULE.

How are restrictions going where you are?

Have restrictions been effective?

How soon do we "Return to Normal"?

Still under Whitlermer Rule...But No one in Southwest Detroit,follows American Laws anyway...And no cop ,gets out of their cars ever anymore...They used to ,get out to eat....But they just have Uber Eats,deliver to their squad car....

No, change in our neck off the woods...People turned their houses into Mexican Restaurants long ago....So,people just went about their lives,except for school...No one went anyway...But,since they 've been online,they actually were learning...

As Soon As The SOUTH rises again...The USA had a good 245 year run...

Mayor Ted Wheeler seeks $2 million to bring back uniformed police team to address spike in shootings
Updated Mar 11, 7:29 PM; Posted Mar 11, 4:55 PM

Days after Portland recorded its 20th homicide, Mayor Ted Wheeler said Thursday he’ll seek $2 million in one-time funding to allow more proactive policing on city streets with greater civilian oversight to try to stem a growing wave of gun violence.

The mayor made the announcement alongside religious and community leaders, who urged city officials to take immediate action to prevent more people from dying in shootings, particularly young Black and brown people who have been disproportionately affected by the violence.

ConfederateSS wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:About one year ago, the USA went into a major shut-down for 2 weeks (15 days) to "flatten the curve." That has become a nearly year long shut down in most of the USA.

We are finally significant easing restrictions in some states, such as Texas, Florida, and Mississippi. (There was some easing in the summer, but that did not last.) In Virginia, there are some easing of a few restrictions, but masks and social distancing is still the expectations and the RULE.

How are restrictions going where you are?

Have restrictions been effective?

How soon do we "Return to Normal"?

-----Still under Whitlermer Rule...But No one in Southwest Detroit,follows American Laws anyway...And no cop ,gets out of their cars ever anymore...They used to ,get out to eat....But they just have Uber Eats,deliver to their squad car....
-----No, change in our neck off the woods...People turned their houses into Mexican Restaurants long ago....So,people just went about their lives,except for school...No one went anyway...But,since they 've been online,they actually were learning...
-----As Soon As The SOUTH rises again...The USA had a good 245 year run... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

jusplay4fun wrote:About one year ago, the USA went into a major shut-down for 2 weeks (15 days) to "flatten the curve." That has become a nearly year long shut down in most of the USA.

We are finally significant easing restrictions in some states, such as Texas, Florida, and Mississippi. (There was some easing in the summer, but that did not last.) In Virginia, there are some easing of a few restrictions, but masks and social distancing is still the expectations and the RULE.

How are restrictions going where you are?

Have restrictions been effective?

How soon do we "Return to Normal"?

betiko wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:About one year ago, the USA went into a major shut-down for 2 weeks (15 days) to "flatten the curve." That has become a nearly year long shut down in most of the USA.

We are finally significant easing restrictions in some states, such as Texas, Florida, and Mississippi. (There was some easing in the summer, but that did not last.) In Virginia, there are some easing of a few restrictions, but masks and social distancing is still the expectations and the RULE.

How are restrictions going where you are?

Have restrictions been effective?

How soon do we "Return to Normal"?

I see the date of your post and I see March 13th. that day, they decided to shut down schools last year here in Spain and the next a total shutdown and people were not allowed to leave home, and just a few essential businesses were allowed to open. I remember that the USA was acting as if nothing was happening during that span, and trump took at least 2 or 3 weeks to react. Over 30 million americans have been infected and half a million have died ever since. good jub, donald

jusplay4fun wrote:Where I live, and in much of the USA, we all did as Spain did: nearly a total shut down. For weeks, we only left to shop for groceries (food). NO church, no school, people worked from home where possible.

I cannot speak for every one of the 50 states, but nearly ALL shut down to the same extent, as I recall. AND President Trump allowed the individual state governors (leaders) make that decision to shut down and to what extent. Low density and low population states like Montana and Alaska need not follow the example of California or New York.

Unlike Spain, the USA is a much larger country (population and land) and so Spain is about the equivalent in size to many of the states in the USA.

betiko wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:About one year ago, the USA went into a major shut-down for 2 weeks (15 days) to "flatten the curve." That has become a nearly year long shut down in most of the USA.

We are finally significant easing restrictions in some states, such as Texas, Florida, and Mississippi. (There was some easing in the summer, but that did not last.) In Virginia, there are some easing of a few restrictions, but masks and social distancing is still the expectations and the RULE.

How are restrictions going where you are?

Have restrictions been effective?

How soon do we "Return to Normal"?

I see the date of your post and I see March 13th. that day, they decided to shut down schools last year here in Spain and the next a total shutdown and people were not allowed to leave home, and just a few essential businesses were allowed to open. I remember that the USA was acting as if nothing was happening during that span, and trump took at least 2 or 3 weeks to react. Over 30 million americans have been infected and half a million have died ever since. good jub, donald

Spain/Population
46.94 million (2019)

California
39.37 million people

USA
331 million people
The U.S. population today, at the start of 2020, numbers just over 331 million people

betiko wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:Where I live, and in much of the USA, we all did as Spain did: nearly a total shut down. For weeks, we only left to shop for groceries (food). NO church, no school, people worked from home where possible.

I cannot speak for every one of the 50 states, but nearly ALL shut down to the same extent, as I recall. AND President Trump allowed the individual state governors (leaders) make that decision to shut down and to what extent. Low density and low population states like Montana and Alaska need not follow the example of California or New York.

Unlike Spain, the USA is a much larger country (population and land) and so Spain is about the equivalent in size to many of the states in the USA.

betiko wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:About one year ago, the USA went into a major shut-down for 2 weeks (15 days) to "flatten the curve." That has become a nearly year long shut down in most of the USA.

We are finally significant easing restrictions in some states, such as Texas, Florida, and Mississippi. (There was some easing in the summer, but that did not last.) In Virginia, there are some easing of a few restrictions, but masks and social distancing is still the expectations and the RULE.

How are restrictions going where you are?

Have restrictions been effective?

How soon do we "Return to Normal"?

I see the date of your post and I see March 13th. that day, they decided to shut down schools last year here in Spain and the next a total shutdown and people were not allowed to leave home, and just a few essential businesses were allowed to open. I remember that the USA was acting as if nothing was happening during that span, and trump took at least 2 or 3 weeks to react. Over 30 million americans have been infected and half a million have died ever since. good jub, donald

well I know states like new york and such did... but all did it much later. Like Italy did it 2 weeks before us as their case was much more alarming at the time. Then most of Europe shut down around the 13th. We were just wondering though what the f*ck were the USA and the UK doing... you can just see the results in both countries today.
For your reference, there is not a single state in the US as populated as Spain. I can even take the 10 least populated states in the USA and combined, they have less population than the autonomic region I live in, which is one out of 17.. and that would be the same thing as your states with your governments. You probably can't name any and yet you want people to see the USA as several states as in "countries". Each Spanish autonomic region is a case on its own too and hasn't been following uniform confinement rules. So if you want me not to generalise and know what I'm talking about, you might apply it to yourself.

betiko wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:About one year ago, the USA went into a major shut-down for 2 weeks (15 days) to "flatten the curve." That has become a nearly year long shut down in most of the USA.

We are finally significant easing restrictions in some states, such as Texas, Florida, and Mississippi. (There was some easing in the summer, but that did not last.) In Virginia, there are some easing of a few restrictions, but masks and social distancing is still the expectations and the RULE.

How are restrictions going where you are?

Have restrictions been effective?

How soon do we "Return to Normal"?

I see the date of your post and I see March 13th. that day, they decided to shut down schools last year here in Spain and the next a total shutdown and people were not allowed to leave home, and just a few essential businesses were allowed to open. I remember that the USA was acting as if nothing was happening during that span, and trump took at least 2 or 3 weeks to react. Over 30 million americans have been infected and half a million have died ever since. good jub, donald

jusplay4fun wrote:Population:

The entire country of Spain has a slightly larger population than the state of California. SO what? Spain's entire population is less than 15% of the US population. You totally missed my point. The USA is far larger land than Spain and therefore what is important in one state is not true of all states and therefore a NATIONAL policy on ALL things is not always the best or wisest choice.

Spain/Population
46.94 million (2019)

California
39.37 million people

USA
331 million people
The U.S. population today, at the start of 2020, numbers just over 331 million people

How is the vaccinations against COVID in Spain? and what about the number of death and cases in Spain regarding COVID? Honestly, I do not keep up with all that data as it little impact on me.

As far as autonomous regions of Spain: how about Galacia, Andalusia, Valencia, Aragon, Castille & La Mancha, and the area around Barcelona (whose name I cannot recall at the moment). You also have the Southern region north of Grenada, too. AND all that without looking up any information before posting here.

Like Duk, you want to assume that I am something I am not: I am not an ignorant American who has not travelled outside of the USA and am NOT also Xenophobic. You are both wrong on such assumptions. Comprende usted.?

betiko wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:Population:

The entire country of Spain has a slightly larger population than the state of California. SO what? Spain's entire population is less than 15% of the US population. You totally missed my point. The USA is far larger land than Spain and therefore what is important in one state is not true of all states and therefore a NATIONAL policy on ALL things is not always the best or wisest choice.

Spain/Population
46.94 million (2019)

California
39.37 million people

USA
331 million people
The U.S. population today, at the start of 2020, numbers just over 331 million people

How is the vaccinations against COVID in Spain? and what about the number of death and cases in Spain regarding COVID? Honestly, I do not keep up with all that data as it little impact on me.

As far as autonomous regions of Spain: how about Galacia, Andalusia, Valencia, Aragon, Castille & La Mancha, and the area around Barcelona (whose name I cannot recall at the moment). You also have the Southern region north of Grenada, too. AND all that without looking up any information before posting here.

Like Duk, you want to assume that I am something I am not: I am not an ignorant American who has not travelled outside of the USA and am NOT also Xenophobic. You are both wrong on such assumptions. Comprende usted.?

oh well, I'll just give you an apology if you felt insulted.

regarding cases (I'm a frenchman living in spain by the way so I'll put other countries that are relevant to me)

cases per million as per today:
USA: 90,685
Spain: 68,318
UK: 62,573
France: 62,380
Italy: 53,617
Germany: 30,803

death per million as per today:
UK: 1,843
Italy: 1,697
USA: 1,649
Spain: 1,549
France: 1,388
Germany: 883


regarding Bill Cosby; it's actually doctor Hoextable not Bill Cosby on my picture. What looked like a funny face in the 80s now looks creepy as hell. I find it hilarious.
Why do you have a menacing viking on your avatar that raped and pillaged Europe? creepy (oops just noticed you changed it)

(CNN) Dr. Anthony Fauci got into a contentious exchange with Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) Thursday over whether people should wear masks if they have recovered from Covid-19 or been vaccinated against it.

Paul, who says he has been infected with coronavirus and who pointedly refuses to wear a mask, attacked Fauci during a hearing of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee.
"You're telling everybody to wear a mask, whether they've had an infection or a vaccine," Paul said to Fauci, who is director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. "If people that have had the vaccine or have had the infection ... if we're not spreading the infection, isn't it just theater?" Paul asked.
"Here we go again with the theater. Let's get down to the facts," Fauci replied. "Let me just state for the record that masks are not theater. Masks are protective."

N95 respirator(disposable):
Can help protect healthcare workers from germs by blocking out at least 95% of small airborne particles — if worn correctly.

Dukasaur wrote:Yeah, it's interesting people understand the concept of playing the odds when they're at the casino, but they seem to want to talk in absolutes when it come to health.

Avoiding disease, like anything else, is a game of compounding probabilities.

jusplay4fun wrote:I heard at one point (Before COVID) that medicine is still an ART and not a Science.

One big reason, I think, is that different people react and respond to differently to things, be they good or bad for health.

Not all smokers get lung cancer and not all jogger live or have better overall health.

Dukasaur wrote:Yeah, it's interesting people understand the concept of playing the odds when they're at the casino, but they seem to want to talk in absolutes when it come to health.

Avoiding disease, like anything else, is a game of compounding probabilities.

Take a bottle of vinegar. It's full of water and hydrogen acetate. 1% of the hydrogen acetate dissociates to form acetic acid. Which 1%? Can you point at a specific molecule of hydrogen acetate and say, "That one! That one will dissociate!" Of course not. Some of them will dissociate and the majority won't, and you don't know which ones.

As an example, glacial acetic acid has an acid dissociation constant of 1.75 x 10-5. A 10 M solution of acetic acid has a percent ionization of only 0.132 %. However, a 0.10 M solution has a percent ionization of 1.32 %.

Glacial acetic acid is a name for water-free (anhydrous) acetic acid. Similar to the German name Eisessig (ice vinegar), the name comes from the ice-like crystals that form slightly below room temperature at 16.6 °C (61.9 °F) (the presence of 0.1% water lowers its melting point by 0.2 °C).

jusplay4fun wrote:Okay, I will "pick" on Duk on this MINOR point:

Duk said:

Take a bottle of vinegar. It's full of water and hydrogen acetate. 1% of the hydrogen acetate dissociates to form acetic acid. Which 1%? Can you point at a specific molecule of hydrogen acetate and say, "That one! That one will dissociate!" Of course not. Some of them will dissociate and the majority won't, and you don't know which ones.

The extent of ionization or dissociation of acetic acid (hydrogen acetate) or any weak acid is measured by Ka, the ionization constant of a weak acid. That value for acetic acid is 1.8 x 10^-5, so it is less that 1%, which (based on my memory) is measured at 25 degrees Celsius. If my math is correct, that works out to 0.4% dissociation, so Duk was not off by MUCH, Well Done, Duk...! I had wrongly assumed that it was MUCH less than 1%.

HOWEVER, Duk's main point about probability an not knowing WHICH specific molecules of the acid dissociates is still very valid. I think that he he used the 1% as a point of discussion.

The Bohr–Einstein debates were a series of public disputes about quantum mechanics between Albert Einstein and Niels Bohr. Their debates are remembered because of their importance to the philosophy of science, since the disagreements and the outcome of Bohr's version of quantum mechanics that became the prevalent view form the root of the modern understanding of physics.[1] Most of Bohr's version of the events held in Solvay in 1927 and other places was first written by Bohr decades later in an article titled, "Discussions with Einstein on Epistemological Problems in Atomic Physics".[2][3] Based on the article, the philosophical issue of the debate was whether Bohr's Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum mechanics, which centered on his belief of complementarity, was valid in explaining nature.[4] Despite their differences of opinion and the succeeding discoveries that helped solidify quantum mechanics, Bohr and Einstein maintained a mutual admiration that was to last the rest of their lives.[5][6]

What Is Real?: The Unfinished Quest for the Meaning of Quantum Physics Adam Becker Basic: 2018.

All hell broke loose in physics some 90 years ago. Quantum theory emerged — partly in heated clashes between Albert Einstein and Niels Bohr. It posed a challenge to the very nature of science, and arguably continues to do so, by severely straining the relationship between theory and the nature of reality. Adam Becker, a science writer and astrophysicist, explores this tangled tale in What Is Real?.


Whereas Bohr proposed that entities (such as electrons) had only probabilities if they weren’t observed, Einstein argued that they had independent reality, prompting his famous claim that “God does not play dice”. Years later, he added a gloss: “What we call science has the sole purpose of determining what is.” Suddenly, scientific realism — the idea that confirmed scientific theories roughly reflect reality — was at stake.

Quantum phenomena were phenomenally baffling to many. First was wave–particle duality, in which light can act as particles and particles such as electrons interfere like light waves. According to Bohr, a system behaves as a wave or a particle depending on context, but you cannot predict which it will do.

Second, Heisenberg showed that uncertainty, for instance about a particle’s position and momentum, is hard-wired into physics. Third, Bohr argued that we could have only probabilistic knowledge of a system: in Schrödinger’s thought experiment, a cat in a box is both dead and alive until it is seen. Fourth, particles can become entangled. For example, two particles might have opposite spins, no matter how far apart they are: if you measure one to be spin up, you instantly know that the other is spin down. (Einstein called this “spooky action at a distance”.)

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Thus, the Solvay Conference can be seen as a stand-off between two mathematically equivalent but fundamentally different paradigms: Bohr’s instrumentalist view of quantum physics and Einstein’s realist one. In science, a dominant paradigm determines which experiments are done, how they’re interpreted and what kind of path a research programme follows.

and more....The FULL Paragraph for above quote

Becker lingers on the 1927 Solvay Conference in Brussels, where 29 brilliant scientists gathered to discuss the fledgling quantum theory. Here, the disagreements between Bohr, Einstein and others, including Erwin Schrödinger and Louis de Broglie, came to a head. Whereas Bohr proposed that entities (such as electrons) had only probabilities if they weren’t observed, Einstein argued that they had independent reality, prompting his famous claim that “God does not play dice”. Years later, he added a gloss: “What we call science has the sole purpose of determining what is.” Suddenly, scientific realism — the idea that confirmed scientific theories roughly reflect reality — was at stake.

jusplay4fun wrote:Anyone want to make predictions?

So I want to know:

1) When can we stop wearing Masks? (this is one of my biggest COMPLAINTS about this situation)

2) When does social distancing end?

3) We do we open up so there are NO RESTRICTIONS on business AT ALL?

4) When can we return to social gatherings with NO Restrictions?

5) OVERALL, when do we return to NORMAL?

For all these, when do Governors and other political leaders say these things end? And when do health leaders say the same? It is likely when political and health leaders agree that this will allow ALL THIS to end without real controversy.

IF not soon, I may have to find a signature where all my Guys and Gals are wearing Masks.....