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Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:17 am**

Seriously, I am reasonably sure the democrats ran him figuring they couldn't win, "Hey, why not try Joe?" and were grooming the real candidate for when the second term was done.

They must be shocked he got in. No?

I don't dislike him but look at this objectively.

He's 82
Career politician with no exciting history
Not great in the debates
Made plenty of odd mistakes on camera
Busted smelling women (not that I see a problem but woke culture etc.)

He's a solid Vice President but for their main guy? I think they were saving a better choice for the next round.

I actually like the guy after seeing him drive his Corvette with Jay Leno. I just don't know why he's president. He should retire so he can drive around.

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:28 am**

basically, a deseased cat would've won against Trump. a leaking teapot could've won against Trump. a 1981 honda civic with 500k miles would've won against Trump. In what world democrats thought they couldn't win against Trump? that is a dumb statement. America voted against Trump, not really for Joe Biden. He's had the most votes in the history of the nation.

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:53 am**

Dream on, he barely won. They're still arguing about it. When is the last time a president didn't get the second term? The 1970s.

Unless they are too stupid to face the facts they figured it was unlikely at best.

You're saying Joe is their best guy? Possible but I don't believe it. More like they thought, "Run him with a chick. If they accidentally win maybe he will kick the bucket and we can sneak a women president in."

As soon as he's sworn in they'll be feeding him bacon and pulling scary pranks all day.

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:00 am**

betiko wrote:basically, a deseased cat would've won against Trump. a leaking teapot could've won against Trump. a 1981 honda civic with 500k miles would've won against Trump. In what world democrats thought they couldn't win against Trump?

Um, in 2016 world?

Honestly, Betty, one would think you'd know better. Trump is a master at seizing and controlling the terms of the debate. He's a very dangerous customer, and you'd have to be really stupid to underestimate him. 40% of the country is in love with him, so in order to get to 50% all he would have had to get is one-sixth of the rest. Just 1/6!

Beating Trump was always going to be an uphill slog, and Joe and Kamela deserve full credit.

2dimes wrote:I actually like the guy after seeing him drive his Corvette with Jay Leno. I just don't know why he's president.

He's president because the average American is sick and tired of extremism. Yeah, he's not a firebrand. The last four years have shown just how much damage a firebrand can do. The people on the extremes are invested in their extremes, but the big block in the middle is composed of people who are sick of ideologies, sick of extremism, sick of polarization, sick of rabid hate in politics. The block in the middle were really relieved to be able to vote for someone who was safe, calm and yes, a little boring. Someone who has proven in four decades in politics that he's willing to look at both sides, work with both sides, seek out compromise instead of confrontation.

Joe Biden was the man the country was waiting for. The safe, reasonable, and moderate choice to put up against the shrieking orangutan from hell.

And yeah, he's just here to start the healing process. He's too old to see it through to the end. He'll be happy to retire after one term and Kamela will be a magnificent president.

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:13 am**

I agree Biden is not my ideal or first choice.

The Democratic Party chose him because the process for choosing a nominee is flawed.

It definitely was not a shoo-in or slam dunk.
Incumbents are generally favored.

Honestly it was Covid-19 that brought him down... primarily via the impact this pandemic has had on the economy.

Incumbents win, that’s the historical precedent... the only time incumbents lose, it’s when the economy is bad.
There’s a good podcast “My History Can Beat Up Your Politics” that I listen to...
https://myhistorycanbeatupyourpolitics.wordpress.com/
https://www.facebook.com/myhist/

It’s worth a listen.

He’s talked about the Incumbent Advantage in recent episodes, maybe from this summer.

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:20 am**

C'mon Duke, if Kamela is magnificent why not run her instead?

Their last guy was cool well spoken and now takes the blame for whatever junk happened under a Republican congress. Joe is set up to be Saxi's next Carter.

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:31 am**

betiko wrote:basically, a deseased cat would've won against Trump. a leaking teapot could've won against Trump. a 1981 honda civic with 500k miles would've won against Trump. In what world democrats thought they couldn't win against Trump? that is a dumb statement. America voted against Trump, not really for Joe Biden. He's had the most votes in the history of the nation.

Trump has more votes than Obama in 2008 and 2012. Population changes make these meaningless stats.

In other news, a never before seen photo of Biden without his dentures has leaked.

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:15 pm**

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:02 pm**

2dimes wrote:C'mon Duke, if Kamela is magnificent why not run her instead?

She did, if you recall. The party wasn't willing to take the chance. With so much at stake, they wanted to minimize the unknowns and go with a time-tested face.

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:14 pm**

Dukasaur wrote:
2dimes wrote:C'mon Duke, if Kamela is magnificent why not run her instead?

She did, if you recall. The party wasn't willing to take the chance. With so much at stake, they wanted to minimize the unknowns and go with a time-tested face.

The democrats issue was that no single candidate 'unified' the party. The closest two were Bernie and Biden, Kamela didn't actually do very well when it came down to getting votes. Voters found her insincere and inauthentic. She also managed to flip flop more than any other candidate during the primary season. I don't personally think she makes a good presidential candidate...also she's from CA. Has any democrat from CA ever won the white house? I think 'the media' and 'the party organization' actually wanted her to be the winner, but voters did not.

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:30 pm**

Great news!

The Department of Justice just opened a criminal tax fraud investigation into Hunter Biden. In response, Joe Biden released a statement saying he's "incredibly proud of his son." Hunter is an admitted cocaine addict who was kicked out of the Navy on his first day, tried to get out of paying child support for one of his bastards, and has been featured in a sex tape. He's suspected of pedophilia and money laundering and is now a criminal suspect in a tax fraud case. Joe Biden is incredibly proud of him.

President-elect Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden on Wednesday revealed he’s under federal investigation for possible tax fraud.

Biden, 50, disclosed the probe in a statement released by his father’s presidential transition office.

“I learned yesterday for the first time that the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Delaware advised my legal counsel, also yesterday, that they are investigating my tax affairs,” Hunter Biden said in a statement.

https://nypost.com/2020/12/09/hunter-bi ... tax-fraud/

Once convicted, Biden faces 10 years imprisonment, however, it's suspected his 82 year old, millionaire, draft-dodging, rapist daddy will pardon him of all his crimes against young Chinese girls and taxpayers.

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:48 pm**

What if Joe Biden wins? It could mean long-term trouble for Democrats

Sure, the former veep is "better than Trump." But his presidency could sabotage the Democratic Party's future

Fighting against that tide — as Biden’s “return to normalcy” clearly does — is not a pathway to greater stability, but to deepening frustrations and schisms. Democrats have an especially severe problem with voter turnout in the midterm elections that immediately follow a victorious presidential campaign. A president who disappoints and frustrates the Democratic base on top of that makes the party particularly vulnerable to electoral disaster. Joe Biden could definitely wind up as our next president. But that's in no way a safe bet on the future.

https://www.salon.com/2019/08/31/what-i ... democrats/

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:26 pm**

mookiemcgee wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
2dimes wrote:C'mon Duke, if Kamela is magnificent why not run her instead?

She did, if you recall. The party wasn't willing to take the chance. With so much at stake, they wanted to minimize the unknowns and go with a time-tested face.

The democrats issue was that no single candidate 'unified' the party. The closest two were Bernie and Biden, Kamela didn't actually do very well when it came down to getting votes. Voters found her insincere and inauthentic. She also managed to flip flop more than any other candidate during the primary season. I don't personally think she makes a good presidential candidate...also she's from CA. Has any democrat from CA ever won the white house? I think 'the media' and 'the party organization' actually wanted her to be the winner, but voters did not.

It's two separate issues: whether she'd be a good president and whether she'd be electable as a good president. Unfortunately, the qualities that are good for one are also not good for the other. The "flip flop" tendency you call out there is exactly why I think she'd be a good chief executive: it demonstrates pragmatism, flexibility, and a willingness to consider other viewpoints than one's own. Unfortunately, it doesn't sell well on the campaign trail. What it takes to sell yourself is being someone like Trump: absolutely certain that you're right, even when you're totally wrong.

It's very closely related to the reason why most bosses are assholes. The self-righteous bombast that it takes to sell yourself in the interview process is exactly the opposite of the reasonableness and flexibility that it take to do a good job. Companies are always shocked when they hire what they think is a "stellar" candidate for a position and he makes half the people in the department quit in disgust. Ditto for politics. Unfortunately the reason history repeats itself is that people refuse to learn from it.

Anyway, without drifting too far off topic, I'm hoping that four years is enough for people to get comfortable with Kamela and give her a decent chance in 2024.

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:56 pm**

Dukasaur wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
2dimes wrote:C'mon Duke, if Kamela is magnificent why not run her instead?

She did, if you recall. The party wasn't willing to take the chance. With so much at stake, they wanted to minimize the unknowns and go with a time-tested face.

The democrats issue was that no single candidate 'unified' the party. The closest two were Bernie and Biden, Kamela didn't actually do very well when it came down to getting votes. Voters found her insincere and inauthentic. She also managed to flip flop more than any other candidate during the primary season. I don't personally think she makes a good presidential candidate...also she's from CA. Has any democrat from CA ever won the white house? I think 'the media' and 'the party organization' actually wanted her to be the winner, but voters did not.

It's two separate issues: whether she'd be a good president and whether she'd be electable as a good president. Unfortunately, the qualities that are good for one are also not good for the other. The "flip flop" tendency you call out there is exactly why I think she'd be a good chief executive: it demonstrates pragmatism, flexibility, and a willingness to consider other viewpoints than one's own. Unfortunately, it doesn't sell well on the campaign trail. What it takes to sell yourself is being someone like Trump: absolutely certain that you're right, even when you're totally wrong.

I agree with you in principle, but not in specifically about Kamela. I don't think flip-flopping on the campaign trail is the same as flip flopping on a decision in office based on new facts or changes in the reality of a situation. Her flip flops seem to show a lack of principles or intergity to me... and that is one of my biggest trump criticisms. In my opinion he is the ultimate demagogue, he cares alot about winning but doesn't really care what he's winning so he will appeal using any means necessary with no real principles behind it. To me Kamela has a similar credibility problem with democrat voters, this(the primaries, not the VP thing) was her 'coming out' party to show people who she was and what she believes in. To me she just seem to be pandering in her flip flops, I would suggest a better candidate that would 'be a good boss' per your example would be like an Amy Klobuchar (both from an 'electable' standpoint, and an effective leadership standpoint). I think she came out of the primaries looking really good for a 2024 candidate, but I guess that's politics and why they have elections, I'm totally cool with having a difference of opinion with you on our new VP. That said, I'm still open to changing my opinion on her, we are going to see alot more of her and different angles than you see during a campaign, will be interesting.

Posted: **Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:06 pm**

I don't mind you talking about the vp. I feel like that is more pertinent than estranged relatives.

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