Conquer Club

So, let's have a color scheme instead if numbers. This sends a stronger message than numbers as numbers give less feedback

Green:
- These have a low chance of addiction or harm
- These are regulated and free to purchase online or in store

Yellow:
- These have a moderate chance of addiction or harm
- These only prescribe through a panel of 3 doctors for use

Red:
- These have a high chance of addiction or harm
- These are only available through an application to the FDA, and once approved by a panel of 3 doctors


Green: Magic mushrooms (psilocybin), Nitrous Oxide, Kratom, Marijuana, Peyote, Ketamine, Salvia, DMT, Amyl Nitrate, Benzodiazepines, Piperazines

Yellow: Methamphetamine, LSD, Cocaine, Opiates not described in red, MDMA, Testosterone and Other Anabolic Steroids, "Bath Salts , GHB, 2c-B/Other Analogues

Red: Heroin, Opium, Crack Cocaine, PCP, Ayahuasca

Apparently alcohol and nicotine aren’t drugs any more.

Why TF would a doc prescribe coke or acid???!

"What's that Mr Smith? You have a couple hookers lined up for the weekend?"

"Yeah doc....could you hook a fella up?"

"Well certainly Mr Smith! Sounds like you'll be needing a plethora of fat rails with some purple microdot back!"

What TF is wrong with you?

The idea of a doctor prescribing date rape drug GHB is also pretty great. Is WhatWomenWant hoping he'd be one of its first recipients?

The idea that anyone is even thinking about his genius ideas and considering them even a little is funny.

Haven’t we already established his idiocy?

WMW has alot of time to think now that the city of SF is paying for him to live in a hotel room free of charge for the next 4 months.

Yet somehow with all that time and privacy to think, this is the best he's got.

Yeah but I mean, did you see what he was coming up with before?

Thank you for more of less, asking questions:

1. Alcohol and nicotine are already unscheduled and have a proper system which allows consumers to make educated decisions based on research that is freely available to them

2. This system would regulate purity, distribution, education, and quantity of dose for a given time. This is beneficial because it would introduce a healthier and safer behavior with these substances. It brings them out of the dark, turns criminals into patients, and would increase revenue which is normally lost to gangs that are predatory.

3. Each Psychoactive has various properties which give them different uses. These applications are created by the human mind and behavior. So..... While some mention that GHB is a demon date rape drug, I counter with, the human mind is a mixed bag of evil and goodwill; poison and remedy; insanity and humane creativity.

GHB has many other uses that are medicinal and can be recreational. Many peoples experience with it begins and ends with articles describing it's evil via sensationalism media which is a good thing but, is also bad as it doesn't give a fair picture of it's other proper uses. This gives the false impression of an educated and enlightened community. Thankfully, those who are lazy enough to make knee jerk reaction without researching the issue aren't able to vote on it's removal from medicinal use.

4. Harm reduction. What's the better option: Reducing human suffering and increasing education or continuing to allow society to decline through ignorance and irresponsibility. We are adults in a mostly free society.

5. The idea of a doctor panel working with the public is to check for mental health, hear the use and plan for what the patient wishes to engage in, educate, and offer programs for safe consumption and if needed, rehab. This would reduce human suffering

6. Progression in society is key. As our World, Country, and American people change each generation, so must the policies. We are to increase safety and freedom, not create an unnecessary prison population. Prison says, we don't have a solution to this problem. The solution is government working with the people to empower them, not against them. We are to be of the people, by the people, AND FOR THE PEOPLE

*Drops mic*

what,me worry? wrote:Thank you for more of less, asking questions:

1. Alcohol and nicotine are already unscheduled and have a proper system which allows consumers to make educated decisions based on research that is freely available to them

2. This system would regulate purity, distribution, education, and quantity of dose for a given time. This is beneficial because it would introduce a healthier and safer behavior with these substances. It brings them out of the dark, turns criminals into patients, and would increase revenue which is normally lost to gangs that are predatory.

3. Each Psychoactive has various properties which give them different uses. These applications are created by the human mind and behavior. So..... While some mention that GHB is a demon date rape drug, I counter with, the human mind is a mixed bag of evil and goodwill; poison and remedy; insanity and humane creativity.

GHB has many other uses that are medicinal and can be recreational. Many peoples experience with it begins and ends with articles describing it's evil via sensationalism media which is a good thing but, is also bad as it doesn't give a fair picture of it's other proper uses. This gives the false impression of an educated and enlightened community. Thankfully, those who are lazy enough to make knee jerk reaction without researching the issue aren't able to vote on it's removal from medicinal use.

4. Harm reduction. What's the better option: Reducing human suffering and increasing education or continuing to allow society to decline through ignorance and irresponsibility. We are adults in a mostly free society.

5. The idea of a doctor panel working with the public is to check for mental health, hear the use and plan for what the patient wishes to engage in, educate, and offer programs for safe consumption and if needed, rehab. This would reduce human suffering

6. Progression in society is key. As our World, Country, and American people change each generation, so must the policies. We are to increase safety and freedom, not create an unnecessary prison population. Prison says, we don't have a solution to this problem. The solution is government working with the people to empower them, not against them. We are to be of the people, by the people, AND FOR THE PEOPLE

*Drops mic*

Did you score the Ritz? or stuck at Motel 6?

Your first post had a 'life on the streets' feel, this one definitely screams I have a hotel room now.

Nice straw man

Let me know when you have an intellectual point to make

Until then, a homeless person remains your intellectual superior

So homeless people, as a whole, are inherently stupid? Nice.

Guessing Motel 6.

KoolBak wrote:So homeless people, as a whole, are inherently stupid? Nice.

Guessing Motel 6.

Is that a question?

I hate to be politically incorrect... excluding kids, it takes a series of bad decisions over a lifetime to wind up homeless.

Anyone can lose a job, be unable to pay the rent, get evicted.

jonesthecurl wrote:Anyone can lose a job, be unable to pay the rent, get evicted.

Agreed. I'm pretty sure the claim that most people could not miss two paycheques before becoming homeless is accurate.

I do believe that for any homeless person at any intelligence level.... a good nights sleep in a hotel room would help them think more clearly. Other than that I don't believe I made any sweeping generalization of homeless people. WMW is an idiot though.

Also, f*ck that bitch Carol Baskins.

jimboston wrote:

KoolBak wrote:So homeless people, as a whole, are inherently stupid? Nice.

Guessing Motel 6.

Is that a question?

I hate to be politically incorrect... excluding kids, it takes a series of bad decisions over a lifetime to wind up homeless.

Bullshit. I've seen it happen almost overnight.

Guy's wife tosses him out of the house, he moves in to a motel. Depressed, he goes on a drinking binge, loses his job. Hhis credit cards were already maxed, he's out of the motel with the first missed paycheque.

Alternate version of the above: guy's business partner is fucking his wife, they get caught. He threatens to kill them, they get a peace bond forcing him to stay 100 metres away from the business. Which includes the home, because his home was the loft over top of the store that he spent his entire life's savings to open. Broke, unemployed and homeless in a single afternoon.

War veteran, gets what you'd think would be tons of money from his veteran's benefit, but the only thing that will shut out the screaming in his head is a bit of the horse. No money for the landlord.

All three of the above are true stories from people I have known. Maybe some poor decisions involved, but nothing that couldn't happen to you. And, more directly to your point, it can happen with amazing speed.

Think twice before you look down on people.

I stand by my statement. Excepting children, it takes a series of bad decisions over a lifetime to be homeless.

I’m not talking about a guy (or gal) sleeping in his/her car for a night or two.

I’m not talking about a woman fleeing with her kids from an abusive guy and living in a shelter for a few months.

I’m talking about sustained and/or repeated homelessness. A guy (or gal) on the streets, who even with the help of government support systems can’ t get himself (herself) into a long-term sustainable situation.

(I probably should add another exception for mental health issues... but the line between mental health and drug abuse is often a thin one and it’s often unclear what came first.)

Dukasaur wrote:

jimboston wrote:

KoolBak wrote:So homeless people, as a whole, are inherently stupid? Nice.

Is that a question?

I hate to be politically incorrect... excluding kids, it takes a series of bad decisions over a lifetime to wind up homeless.

Bullshit. I've seen it happen almost overnight.

Guy's wife tosses him out of the house, he moves in to a motel. Depressed, he goes on a drinking binge, loses his job. Hhis credit cards were already maxed, he's out of the motel with the first missed paycheque.

Bad Decision: Marrying a woman who would toss you out on the street.

Bad Decision: Getting into a situation where his credit cards are maxed out.

Bad Decision: Going on a Drinking Binge

Bad Decision: Being so undervalued at work that missing a day or two would get him fired.
(Since my first job at 14yo I’ve always gone in with the attitude that I’m going to be the best employee. I didn’t always achieve that goal, but I did always get recognized as a valuable employee... and valuable employees aren’t fired easily.)

Dukasaur wrote:
Alternate version of the above: guy's business partner is fucking his wife, they get caught. He threatens to kill them, they get a peace bond forcing him to stay 100 metres away from the business. Which includes the home, because his home was the loft over top of the store that he spent his entire life's savings to open. Broke, unemployed and homeless in a single afternoon.

That doesn’t make him broke or homeless... as he’d win in the divorce settlement.

but similar bad decisions apply as above...

Dukasaur wrote:
War veteran, gets what you'd think would be tons of money from his veteran's benefit, but the only thing that will shut out the screaming in his head is a bit of the horse. No money for the landlord.

There are support systems in place for veterans... though granted they’re probably woefully inadequate.

I could point out the fact that joining a volunteer military is itself a bad decision... IMHO, as an early-stage-anarchist, supporting a government with violence seems somewhat wrong, but whatevs.

I’d need to know more about this guy’s story.

Dukasaur wrote:All three of the above are true stories from people I have known. Maybe some poor decisions involved, but nothing that couldn't happen to you. And, more directly to your point, it can happen with amazing speed.

I never said it couldn’t seem to happen fast... but that’s only because the foundation on which they’d built their lives was flimsy.

There were bad decisions leading up to those points... then another last minute bad decision that was essentially “the straw that broke the camel’s back”. In order... going on a bender; threatening the lives of you’re wife and business partner; taking drugs.

Even then... there must now be continued bad decisions for anyone of these people to stay on the street

Dukasaur wrote: Think twice before you look down on people.

I’ve thought about it plenty. I stand by my statement.

Look at how much jim knows about being homeless. You can tell he’s read at least three news media articles on this subject.

If I got kicked out my house, and didn’t wanna charge a hotel room, there are probably 50 people whose house I could crash at.

Likely, how long I would be welcome might vary from person to person.
That time would vary depending on my behavior (i.e. if I was doing drugs I wouldn’t be welcome in most of those places very long).

I could easily couch surf long enough to find a job and save enough for an apartment.

On not every has a large network of support... but failure to develop and cultivate a large support network is a BAD DECISION.

A good decision is making friends and putting down roots in life, helping people, etc... such that if you ever need help these people will e there for you.

I'm amazed....if you're this condescending in RL I question the strength of your network

Well said Duk. RL has a way of biting you in the ass and all the posturing and over-inflated egotism in the world = jack squat.

My commercial lending days were an excellent eye opener. I had the unfortunate experience of...seeing....many many prominent, successful (outspoken) people go from hero to zero.

Anyway...my rambling won't mean shit to anyone so.....

KoolBak wrote:My commercial lending days were an excellent eye opener. I had the unfortunate experience of...seeing....many many prominent, successful (outspoken) people go from hero to zero.

Maybe I’m turning into Nomad.

Yes... there are certainly things that can happen to knock a person down. Maybe through an accident, a bad decision, or some act of God.... a person can lose a home, business, get evicted... and that can happen pretty fast I’m sure. Divorce, lawsuit, medical bills... these can all tear apart a life.

None of this makes you homeless in the way I described.

You guys should all read what I wrote before you try to tell me i’m insensitive or clueless or snobby.

jimboston wrote:On not every has a large network of support... but failure to develop and cultivate a large support network is a BAD DECISION.

Those stupid idiots who don't just go out and make 50 friends who'd let them sleep on their sofa.

mrswdk wrote:

jimboston wrote:On not every has a large network of support... but failure to develop and cultivate a large support network is a BAD DECISION.

Those stupid idiots who don't just go out and make 50 friends who'd let them sleep on their sofa.

I don’t think I said “stupid idiots”. Please don’t put words in my mouth. Thank you.

I’m older (as has been noted, technically not a Boomer... though some have called me that).

So I’ve had a lifetime to develop a deeper network. That plus I have a good sized family and live in the same region as my extended family.
50 is a very conservative number.

That said, I acknowledge many people are not blessed with a large family and/or have not had as long to develop their network as I.

Still... yes... developing relationships with people you can rely on in a time of need is a Good Decision.
Therefore it follows that NOT doing this is a Bad Decision.

Can you get 50+ people you could stay with? Yes you can, but for some it might be harder than for others.

Do you need 50+ people you could stay with? No. Just a few would be enough.

Inductive logic. Sweet.