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Posted: **Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:39 pm**

So, here's an interesting idea

I'm a Christian. I love Jesus, I love the Bible, etc etc

Most of the world practices Islam

What if, we all become Muslim on our own terms? We recognize there's one God and that Jesus and Muhammad exist as prophets

Could we accept on some scale, even the slightest modicum that we could live under one premise?

Posted: **Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:52 pm**

Demoting the one that will judge you is a terrible idea.

Posted: **Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:55 pm**

It's not demoting Jesus

It's saying we worship the God of Isaac

Same team

Posted: **Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:05 pm**

So I'm just spit ballin' here, here would be my hypothetical Islam to save the world:

I'd pray to God. I'd call him Allah because, why not

On the inside, written on my heart I'd pray to Jesus. I'd mention the prophet Mohammed who existed, and Id read the Koran an as a historical document document more or less

I'd pray 5 times a day to the God of Isaac

So in reality, all I'm doing is praying more, recognizing a historical document and figure, and instead of saying God I'd say Allah

Posted: **Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:08 pm**

The United States would be the Muslims who support Israel

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:33 am**

What about those of us that don't want to have to pretend to believe in ANY made up superheroes from a couple thousand years ago?

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:16 am**

mookiemcgee wrote:What about those of us that don't want to have to pretend to believe in ANY made up superheroes from a couple thousand years ago?

God gave free will to all.

Everyone has the free will to choose to follow and accept me or not. Many have chosen to not accept me.

and

I know many do not believe and choose not to follow me. I suffered greatly for this rejection by so many. My heart bleeds for the loss of so many. The rejection is so great that my heart bleeds as it did on the Cross. Come to me for I am gentle and humble of heart.

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:20 am**

what,me worry? wrote:So, here's an interesting idea

I'm a Christian. I love Jesus, I love the Bible, etc etc

Most of the world practices Islam

What if, we all become Muslim on our own terms? We recognize there's one God and that Jesus and Muhammad exist as prophets

Could we accept on some scale, even the slightest modicum that we could live under one premise?

The trouble is, it's not "most of the world."

31% of the world are (at least nominally) Christian
24% of the world are (at least nominally) Muslim
16% are atheist or agnostic
15% are Hindu
7% are Buddhist
Beyond that, tons of communities are Jewish, Sikh, Jain, or practice their traditional religions

Even if you could close the gap between Christians and Muslims, what would that do for the 45% of the world who are neither of those?

But the news gets worse, because even these religions are not monolithic wholes. Among Christians, 50% are Catholic, 35% are Protestant, 15% are Orthodox or some other sect. Among Muslims, about 87% are Sunni, 11% are Shia, and there are also smaller sects. The rifts between Protestant and Catholic, and the rifts between Sunni and Shia, are in some ways just as wide as the rifts between Christianity and Islam. Christians fought brutal and bloody wars for hundreds of years over relatively minor points of disagreement. Today, Sunni and Shia are having their wars. I don't see much hope for closing the gap between any of these.

Really, the only hope for world peace is secular humanism. Once we can accept that religion is just entertaining nonsense, we can stop killing each other over it.

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:25 am**

Yeah, he totally acts like a devout Jesus loving Christian. :lol:

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:28 am**

HitRed wrote:Demoting the one that will judge you is a terrible idea.

If you are talking about the son of man who died to pay for our sin.

He is the only one who does not judge.

He is like a lawyer, except one who pays any fine, then convinces the court to waive the other penalties because I was in a position where I was unable to avoid my crimes.

The rest of the universe will be like the jury to judge us.

Those that judge will include Muslims, ask yourself how lenient those guys are going to be.

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:43 am**

I call to many who do not answer. I am the way that leads to eternal life. I am the gatekeeper that everyone must go through. The door is narrow that must be passed through. I hold the keys to the gate. I open the gate for those to go through. I choose who goes and who stays behind. I come to save those that are willing to follow the way to the Father in Heaven.

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:39 am**

Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all just sects of the same religion anyway. Same god, same prophets, same belief system and moral codes.

The sort of people who will fight each other over Christianity v Islam are the same sort of people who would fight each other over Catholic v Protestant, or French v German, or black v white, or McDonald's v Burger King. The fact they seek out conflict with other people based on arbitrary lines in the sand is a symptom, not the disease.

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:55 am**

Because as Saxi has pointed out here, humans are made to judge.

Also, you should absolutely go tell every Muslim you can, they are just a sect of Judaism.

Jesus chooses who goes and who stays behind because he chooses who to defend.

The wrathful God of the Old Testament told Ezekiel that "they judge thee."

Ezekiel 24:13-15 King James Version (KJV) wrote:
13 In thy filthiness is lewdness: because I have purged thee, and thou wast not purged, thou shalt not be purged from thy filthiness any more, till I have caused my fury to rest upon thee.

14 I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent; according to thy ways, and according to thy doings, shall they judge thee, saith the Lord God.

15 Also the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

I'm almost out of time but I might try to find Sazi's post.

Edit: here you go.

saxitoxin wrote:In Christianity, all acts occurring in the material plane of existence are within the complete jurisdiction and authority of humans to judge.

Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! 1 Cor. 6:2-6

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:09 am**

Muslims would be a majority of the worlds religion

They are the ones who view us as the great Satan

They are the ones who cause mayhem because Mohammed was a conqueror

In, "patching over" ( like a one percent motorcycle gang) we'd flip the kill switch to off on our citizens abroad and at home and they would fight non-Muslims else where

Nothing would change in America. It would be a perspective change. The destination of your soul is ultimately yours as your relationship with God, Jesus, or whomever is yours. If you're athiest then this would be a game of pretend in and a thought experiment as a later of protection

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:14 am**

We have an infrustructure, laws, etc

We just turn official religion to Muslim and pray more

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:19 am**

They were conquerors until the English Roman Catholics shut them down. We don't get to enjoy the benefits of their laws because of the mean kings and popes.

You can pretend to be Muslim. Enjoy.

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:45 am**

HitRed wrote:
I call to many who do not answer. I am the way that leads to eternal life. I am the gatekeeper that everyone must go through. The door is narrow that must be passed through. I hold the keys to the gate. I open the gate for those to go through. I choose who goes and who stays behind. I come to save those that are willing to follow the way to the Father in Heaven.

Again, you can't make stuff up and then put it in quotes and say God said it.

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:52 am**

2dimes wrote:Also, you should absolutely go tell every Muslim you can, they are just a sect of Judaism.

I didn't say one was a sect of the other, I said they're all sects of the same thing.

On a side note I'm not sure why you thinks Muslims would react worse to being told that than Christians, or than how Jews would react to being told they're a sect of Christianity.

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:54 am**

what,me worry? wrote:They are the ones who view us as the great Satan

They are the ones who cause mayhem because Mohammed was a conqueror

But you're still the rainbow child of multiculturalism.

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:09 pm**

Option two is to continue world suffering and poverty

Sending our troops to die, killing our environment, and making zero forward movement in human wellness

We are sending our people into a non-ending meat grinder

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:02 pm**

"The people of the Book" is an Islamic phrase referring to Muslims, Christians, and Jews.

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:27 pm**

what,me worry? wrote:Option two is to continue world suffering and poverty

Sending our troops to die, killing our environment, and making zero forward movement in human wellness

We are sending our people into a non-ending meat grinder

You're not really this naive are you? You think a 're-branding' of jews and christians as muslims would suddenly solve all the underlying issues that lead to war? You realize muslims have been fighting muslims of different sects for ages right? trying to whitewash a problem isn't the same addressing a problem, I'm sure you've been through NA or AA programs before and you should be keenly aware of this.

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:43 pm**

2dimes wrote:you should absolutely go tell every Muslim you can, they are just a sect of Judaism

what,me worry? wrote:They are the ones who view us as the great Satan

They are the ones who cause mayhem because Mohammed was a conqueror

mookiemcgee wrote:You realize muslims have been fighting muslims of different sects for ages right? trying to whitewash a problem isn't the same addressing a problem

Good to see this thread heading in exactly the right direction.

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:24 pm**

mookiemcgee wrote:
what,me worry? wrote:Option two is to continue world suffering and poverty

Sending our troops to die, killing our environment, and making zero forward movement in human wellness

We are sending our people into a non-ending meat grinder

You're not really this naive are you? You think a 're-branding' of jews and christians as muslims would suddenly solve all the underlying issues that lead to war? You realize muslims have been fighting muslims of different sects for ages right? trying to whitewash a problem isn't the same addressing a problem, I'm sure you've been through NA or AA programs before and you should be keenly aware of this.

The goal of Islam is to convert non-Muslims

Muslim sects fight all the time

They kill each other all the time

This solution would make the world better

Turning the world a Christian isn't happening. And if you think I'm wrong, read Revelations and other prophetic books

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:32 pm**

what,me worry? wrote:
Most of the world practices Islam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... opulations

According to Wiki 26% of the world population are Christian and 19% are Muslim.

Since when is 19% “Most”?

You’re an idiot.

Not only are your facts wrong... but your ideas are ludicrous.

Muslims fight amongst themselves over minuscule points... they won’t recognize Christians becoming Muslim “on our own terms”.

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