United States: Most progressive nation in the world!

[DoomYoshi]

https://www.state.gov/secretary-michael ... the-press/

After carefully studying all sides of the legal debate, this administration agrees with President Reagan. The establishment of Israeli civilian settlements in the West Bank is not per se inconsistent with international law.

While the smelly granola people sit around and moan about peace, the Republicans are actually walking the woke walk and making the world a better place.

[saxitoxin]

I am 110% opposed to the very existence of Israel, however, President Trump is correct that the settlements are not a violation of international law. The Administration was specific only to say that settlements were not a violation of international law, not that annexation would not be a violation of international law.

A state can build whatever it likes on territory over which it is in actual control. It must be willing to abandon those structures upon the future restoration of sovereignty of that territory to another power and President Trump did not reject that fact. So while it seems like a bad idea for Israel to build Israeli settlements in the West Bank knowing it might have to abandon them in the undetermined future, there is nothing illegal about it. It's a bad idea to paint a house you're only renting but it's not illegal.

BRAVO TO PRESIDENT TRUMP!

[HitRed]

Israel can do no wrong - God

[DoomYoshi]

Israel can do no wrong - God

Looks like somebody hasn't read Jeremiah...

[riskllama]

[HitRed]

Israel can do no wrong - God

Looks like somebody hasn't read Jeremiah...

Try Ezekiel. Shocking. God always sides with Israel. He does clean house now and then.

[saxitoxin]

Israel can do no wrong - God

Looks like somebody hasn't read Jeremiah...

Try Ezekiel. Shocking. God always sides with Israel. He does clean house now and then.

But the Israel of the Bible doesn't exist anymore.

The so-called "State of Israel" is a country founded in 1948 by the descendants of a group of Armenian goat herders who converted to Judaism centuries after the Temple of Solomon.

That would be like me taking Latin 101 and then declaring my backyard the restored Roman Empire.

So while God may side with Israel, there is no Israel left with which to side. It hasn't existed for thousands of years.

[HitRed]

Israel can do no wrong - God

Looks like somebody hasn't read Jeremiah...

Try Ezekiel. Shocking. God always sides with Israel. He does clean house now and then.

But the Israel of the Bible doesn't exist anymore.

The so-called "State of Israel" is a country founded in 1948 by the descendants of a group of Armenian goat herders who converted to Judaism centuries after the Temple of Solomon.

That would be like me taking Latin 101 and then declaring my backyard the restored Roman Empire.

So while God may side with Israel, there is no Israel left with which to side. It hasn't existed for thousands of years.

Israel can do no wrong. - God

[DoomYoshi]

heretics to the left, heretics to the right. Here I am, stuck in the middle sniffing glue.

But the Israel of the Bible doesn't exist anymore.

The so-called "State of Israel" is a country founded in 1948 by the descendants of a group of Armenian goat herders who converted to Judaism centuries after the Temple of Solomon.

That would be like me taking Latin 101 and then declaring my backyard the restored Roman Empire.

So while God may side with Israel, there is no Israel left with which to side. It hasn't existed for thousands of years.

It's something that people say, but can't often defend.

What are the necessary and sufficient conditions for the Israel of the Bible to exist?

If you list only things that are impossible, like "it must be before the fall of the temple in 70 AD" then it's kind of a self-defeating argument.

Here's a list of similarities:

• bunch of people with no foreskins called the Jews who revere the Hebrew bible Check
• at constant war with Damascus (the same Damascus, the city that has never fallen) Check
• on a mission to clear out the Canannites, who don't belong in the land Check

Israel can do no wrong. - God

Ok, I tried Ezekiel.
Lo, and behold! Israel doing "no wrong"

The word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, set your face toward the mountains of Israel, and prophesy against them, and say, You mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord God! Thus says the Lord God to the mountains and the hills, to the ravines and the valleys: Behold, I, even I, will bring a sword upon you, and I will destroy your high places. Your altars shall become desolate, and your incense altars shall be broken, and I will cast down your slain before your idols. And I will lay the dead bodies of the people of Israel before their idols, and I will scatter your bones around your altars. Wherever you dwell, the cities shall be waste and the high places ruined, so that your altars will be waste and ruined, your idols broken and destroyed, your incense altars cut down, and your works wiped out. And the slain shall fall in your midst, and you shall know that I am the Lord.

[2dimes]

I would say Saxi has a good point, a pretty large part of the population making up the current state might be outwardly rather than inward children of Israel.

Romans 2-28,29

The question is how many good ones would it take for it to be recognized? 1000, 100, 1?

Everyone else there might get to ride along for free.

[tzor]

But the Israel of the Bible doesn't exist anymore.

They were saying that back in the time of the Babylonian Exile as well.
I'll give you a hint, it has nothing to do with a "nation state."
It is the people as a whole, not the "government" that is God's bride.
The "people" will always exist and whatever they want as a government tends to be begrudgingly accepted by God.

[Dukasaur]

I would say Saxi has a good point, a pretty large part of the population making up the current state might be outwardly rather than inward children of Israel.

Romans 2-28,29

The question is how many good ones would it take for it to be recognized? 1000, 100, 1?

Everyone else there might get to ride along for free.

Genetics doesn't make a Jew. It was always a missionary religion, even if it doesn't do much missioning nowadays. Whether they are bred outwardly or inwardly, or whether they are newly-discovered tribes from Borneo doesn't matter, as long as they cut off their choicest bit and don't answer the phone on Saturday.

[2dimes]

No, they would kill the males. That is part of why you are only one according to your mothers line.

That and before Maury there was no way to find the real father.

[mrswdk]

It's a bad idea to paint a house you're only renting but it's not illegal.

Depends on your contract. Most places I've rented have contracts forbidding tenants from making alterations to the house, even cosmetic ones like that.

ITT we learn not to rent an apartment to saxi (or at least to subject him to stringent spot checks if you do)

[saxitoxin]

It's a bad idea to paint a house you're only renting but it's not illegal.

Depends on your contract. Most places I've rented have contracts forbidding tenants from making alterations to the house, even cosmetic ones like that.

ITT we learn not to rent an apartment to saxi (or at least to subject him to stringent spot checks if you do)

If you rent to mrswdk make sure your "spot checks" are done with a UV light.

[tzor]

Genetics doesn't make a Jew. It was always a missionary religion, even if it doesn't do much missioning nowadays.

I think a lot of Jews would strongly disagree with you. It was never really a missionary religion, and it was never really good at it anyway. But first, let's throw out the proper definitions to get things out of the way, "A missionary is a member of a religious group sent into an area to promote their faith or perform ministries of service, such as education, literacy, social justice, health care, and economic development." (Wikipedia Note there is no "Jewish" section in the article.) In the fact the word itself comes from the Jesuits.

There is an argument to be made that there is a mandate for them to be a "moral standard" for others ("a light to the peoples') but that's completely different from suggesting that is a "missionary." Otherwise the Founding Fathers could be accused of being "missionaries" for promoting the ideals of the Age of Enlightenment. There has always been an element of being the children of "The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob," and therefore a "chosen people." Depending on the age, that could be a good or a bad thing but mostly bad. "Converts" in the sense of getting people to follow the full extent of the law are exceptionally rare.

[tzor]

That is part of why you are only one according to your mothers line.

Strictly speaking, Jewish Identity came from the mother and Tribal affiliation came from the father.
Most tribal affiliations don't matter much these days unless you are from the priestly tribe.
And then most of that data can actually be confirmed through DNA testing. Oy Vey!

[2dimes]

Arron or Levi? And what do they do without a sacrificial alter, temple and the ark of the covenant?

[Dukasaur]

Genetics doesn't make a Jew. It was always a missionary religion, even if it doesn't do much missioning nowadays.

I think a lot of Jews would strongly disagree with you. It was never really a missionary religion, and it was never really good at it anyway. But first, let's throw out the proper definitions to get things out of the way, "A missionary is a member of a religious group sent into an area to promote their faith or perform ministries of service, such as education, literacy, social justice, health care, and economic development." (Wikipedia Note there is no "Jewish" section in the article.) In the fact the word itself comes from the Jesuits.

There is an argument to be made that there is a mandate for them to be a "moral standard" for others ("a light to the peoples') but that's completely different from suggesting that is a "missionary." Otherwise the Founding Fathers could be accused of being "missionaries" for promoting the ideals of the Age of Enlightenment. There has always been an element of being the children of "The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob," and therefore a "chosen people." Depending on the age, that could be a good or a bad thing but mostly bad. "Converts" in the sense of getting people to follow the full extent of the law are exceptionally rare.

You're thinking of modern times, and yes, in modern times you would be right. Intentional proselytizing has pretty much disappeared from the Judaic world. But during the heydey of Judaism -- roughly between the Greek translations of the Hebrew texts sometime in the 3rd century BC and the destruction on the second temple in 70 AD -- there was massive growth in Judaic populations around the classical world. Most writers call this the "first Diaspora" without giving it much thought -- but people who have examined it in detail find it totally implausible that a community of such size, reach, and influence could be accounted for by a few bands of refugees interbreeding with the locals. There was almost certainly intentional conversion going on. The translation of the so-called Sapiential books into Greek made many converts, as evidenced by numerous citizens of high standing who considered themselves Jews while having unimpeachable Carthaginian or Doric pedigrees.

With the arrival of the Christians, most of that stopped, of course. One of the reasons that Christianity spread like wildfire is that it co-opted most of these communities of Judaic philosophers. They were primed and ready. Christianity's gain was Judaism's loss, of course, and it never caught fire again, although isolated conversions happened. There's the kingdom of Khazaria as one example, of course. In modern times, we have the example of San Nicandro, which converted en masse to Judaism in the 1930s (although there has been a lot of backsliding and the most recent news is that it's once again majority-Catholic.)

Of course you'll probably say that San Nicandro is an oddball outlier, and again you'd be right. It's so famous because it's so unusual. These things don't happen much in modern times. But in the second century BC, they were commonplace.

[saxitoxin]

Netanyahu indicted on 23 criminal charges of corruption and abuse of office

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/isra ... t-n1084831

The State of New Jersey is not the Island of Jersey
The Holy Roman Empire was not the Roman Empire
Queen Elizabeth does not live in London, Ontario
Paris, Texas is not the capital of France
Komodo Dragons are not Dragons
Killer Whales are not Whales
The State of Israel is not the Kingdom of Israel

For the sake of peace and love, let's destroy Israel!

[saxitoxin]

A Jewish state is absolutely forbidden - anyone who supports a Jewish state opposes God! No one can oppose the power of God; anyone who does will be annihilated - they will not simply be destroyed, they will cease to have ever existed at any point in the aeons. Your soul itself will be smashed and vaporized. If you support a Jewish state you are attempting to reverse the will of God. Anyone who attempts to reverse the will of God is in conspiracy with the Devil and the Pope.

Deuteronomy 28:63
You shall be moved off the good land which you come to inherit, and G-d will scatter you among all the nations, from one end of the earth to the other.

[Dukasaur]

Netanyahu indicted on 23 criminal charges of corruption and abuse of office

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/isra ... t-n1084831

The State of New Jersey is not the Island of Jersey
The Holy Roman Empire was not the Roman Empire
Queen Elizabeth does not live in London, Ontario
Paris, Texas is not the capital of France
Komodo Dragons are not Dragons
Killer Whales are not Whales
The State of Israel is not the Kingdom of Israel

Typical saxipukology.

Killer whales are indeed whales.



Good to hear that Nutty Yahoo has been indicted! Maybe there's hope that Trump will one day pay for his crimes!

[saxitoxin]

"I support the State of Israel and oppose the Kingdom of Israel!"


"I support the State of Israel and oppose the Kingdom of Israel!"


"I support the State of Israel and oppose the Kingdom of Israel!"


"I support the State of Israel and oppose the Kingdom of Israel!"

[Dukasaur]

"I support the State of Israel and oppose the Kingdom of Israel!"


"I support the State of Israel and oppose the Kingdom of Israel!"


"I support the State of Israel and oppose the Kingdom of Israel!"


"I support the State of Israel and oppose the Kingdom of Israel!"

Those are some funny goats.