patches70 wrote:I'm gonna help the OP out and you as well betiko, to actually understand what is going on.
First off, what the Dems are doing, the so called "impeachment inquiry" isn't really an impeachment inquiry. But that's pretty much just noise, and not worth worrying about. The Dems aren't really serious about impeaching Trump. They can get the House to vote to impeach, if they go to that level, but then it goes to the Senate. Some of you, mostly non-Americans, might not understand how the process to remove the President is. The House votes to impeach, the Senate tries and if it gets a 2/3 vote then the President is removed. 2/3 vote. That's 67 votes and the Republicans hold the majority. The Senate won't vote to impeach on this amount of flimsy and frankly poorly executed "inquiry". But since removing Trump this way isn't the actual objective, this doesn't matter.
Not only that, the Dems can be a secret as they want with the House "inquiry" stuff, but when it goes to the Senate, it's all open then and the case that's been leaked thus far by the intel committee will sink like a boat filled with holes.
Now since it's virtually impossible to remove Trump from office this way, then what is the actual objective then?
Some say it's an election ploy, that it's going to somehow help the Dems in the upcoming election, but if you buy that then you should definitely think about replacing whatever propaganda delivery device you use cause you are getting played. In reality if the House votes to impeach it's more likely to energize the base for the Republicans and Trump in the upcoming election. We remember the months before all this happened, when Pelosi was refusing to even discuss impeachment and media was saying that Trump was daring her to impeach. Pelosi was smarter than that though.
So, this impeachment stuff is more likely going to hurt the Dems more than the Reps and certain more than hurting Trump who will be able to play this for all it's worth. But the Dems don't seem to care that much about this, do they? What could be so important that the Dems are willing to crush their own chances in the upcoming election and feel that it is an acceptable loss? What could be worse than that?
There is something, but I kinda want to see what some of you think about why the Dems are taking this course of action when it is virtually doomed to failure. To actually remove Trump every single Dem senator, Independent Senator would have to vote to remove from office and also get 20 Republicans to vote with them. This would be political suicide for any Republican Senator if they did such a thing, so the Dems ain't gonna get 20 Republicans to go along with this. If we also remember from history, the Republicans impeached Clinton and in the next election they got trounced, the American public has little patience for this type of stuff.
So toss out your alternate theories as to what is really going on and I'll probably be back in a couple of days to let ya'll know what the real deal is. What the Dems are really doing, and for the record, if I were the deep Dem leadership, I'd probably be doing the same thing. So I can sympathize with the Dems on this, but they are really in a bad spot ATM.
First off, I love your confidence. Honestly, no joke.
Secondly, you think that going into a close election more than a couple voters are gonna look at the list of presidents who've been impeached (Bill Clinton, Andrew Johnson, and basically Nixon) and say, Hey, Trump's not in the best company here!
Third, instead of focusing on Clinton (a broadly popular president who remained popular, was able to mostly remain above the fray, and against whom the case for impeachment was not clear) we might go back a few decades and look at Nixon? Look at Nixon's popularity during Watergate, and how it starts off high and then goes real low. I think the Trump case is far more parallel to Nixon than to Clinton. But, absurd confidence aside, nobody can truly know what's going to happen. The only correct prediction about politics is that most predictions will be wrong.
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:32 am
