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Russia-China joint bomber patrol meets Japanese & S. Korean

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:11 pm
by GoranZ
Russians and Chinese are increasing their military cooperation and we can notice nervous reactions :lol:

Russian and Chinese strategic bombers have flown their first mission together over the Sea of Japan and the East China Sea. Tokyo and Seoul are up in arms, but Moscow points out it's all within international rules and regulations.
Two Russian Tu-95Ms and two Chinese Xian H-6 bombers patrolled a pre-planned route above the Sea of Japan and the East China Sea, “strictly in accordance with international law,” the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.
Seoul claims the bombers breached its air defense identification zone (also known as KADIZ), but Moscow insists this designation is not supported by any international rules and that no third country's airspace was violated.
In its own response to the intercept, Beijing reminded Seoul that its KADIZ is not the same thing as South Korean internationally recognized airspace, and is therefore not off-limits to aircraft of other countries.
The Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson also warned Seoul to “be careful when using the word 'invasion'.”
The route apparently took the aircraft close to a set of tiny islands in the Sea of Japan, known as the Dokdo islands in South Korea and as Takeshima in Japan, and contested by both nations.
Both countries subsequently scrambled its military aircraft to ward off the bombers. South Korea also claimed its jets had to fire “warning shots,” but Moscow insists these were only flares.
Russia has accused the South Koreans of acting “unprofessionally” and of putting the safety of Russian bombers at risk by dangerously cutting across their path.
The first-ever joint patrol of the long-range aviation in the Pacific was the beginning of a wider program, which aims to boost the ability of Russian and Chinese air forces to work together, Moscow says. The planned program will continue at least through the end of 2019 and is “not aimed against third countries.”

Russia-China joint bomber patrol meets Japanese & S. Korean fighters, but missions will go on

Re: Russia-China joint bomber patrol meets Japanese & S. Kor

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:15 pm
by Dukasaur

Re: Russia-China joint bomber patrol meets Japanese & S. Kor

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:36 pm
by GoranZ

I dont think we are in the same situation as we were a century ago.

But we might be heading towards the similar situation as in 1947 and the start of the Cold War II.

Re: Russia-China joint bomber patrol meets Japanese & S. Kor

PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:15 am
by mrswdk
GoranZ wrote:Russians and Chinese are increasing their military cooperation and we can notice nervous reactions :lol:

Seoul claims the bombers breached its air defense identification zone (also known as KADIZ), but Moscow insists this designation is not supported by any international rules and that no third country's airspace was violated.
In its own response to the intercept, Beijing reminded Seoul that its KADIZ is not the same thing as South Korean internationally recognized airspace, and is therefore not off-limits to aircraft of other countries.


Beijing is quite right. An ADIZ is not a territorial claim or a demarcation of a nation's territory, it's just a zone that a country has decided it wants to track aircraft activity in. It's perfectly possible for a country to set up an ADIZ that covers more than just its own territory, which is exactly what South Korea has done with its ADIZ. An ADIZ doesn't really mean anything. Wherever you see the term 'ADIZ' used, read it as 'area we keep an eye on'.

So, China and Russia flew plans over international water and South Korea over-reacted by scrambling their jets and taking a few pot shots.

Re: Russia-China joint bomber patrol meets Japanese & S. Kor

PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:57 pm
by GoranZ
mrswdk wrote:
GoranZ wrote:Russians and Chinese are increasing their military cooperation and we can notice nervous reactions :lol:

Seoul claims the bombers breached its air defense identification zone (also known as KADIZ), but Moscow insists this designation is not supported by any international rules and that no third country's airspace was violated.
In its own response to the intercept, Beijing reminded Seoul that its KADIZ is not the same thing as South Korean internationally recognized airspace, and is therefore not off-limits to aircraft of other countries.


Beijing is quite right. An ADIZ is not a territorial claim or a demarcation of a nation's territory, it's just a zone that a country has decided it wants to track aircraft activity in. It's perfectly possible for a country to set up an ADIZ that covers more than just its own territory, which is exactly what South Korea has done with its ADIZ. An ADIZ doesn't really mean anything. Wherever you see the term 'ADIZ' used, read it as 'area we keep an eye on'.

So, China and Russia flew plans over international water and South Korea over-reacted by scrambling their jets and taking a few pot shots.

We will see what will happen next time when the Russians and the Chinese take their dogs for a walk... I expect barking again :lol: