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Posted: **Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:54 am**

Mr Reagan

Posted: **Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:22 pm**

Correction: The whackos in the 3 large cities have created a Fascist Area :lol:

They're damn proud of the whole "Keep Portland Weird" thing.

The rest of the state is normal.

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Posted: **Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:22 pm**

KoolBak wrote:Correction: The whackos in the 3 large cities have created a Fascist Area They're damn proud of the whole "Keep Portland Weird" thing.

The rest of the state is normal.

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I do agree with the 3 major cities being fascist hubs..

but the governor & 'STATE' police are the .. State
we are not talking about a mayor & Metro..

Posted: **Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:46 pm**

KoolBak wrote:Correction: The whackos in the 3 large cities have created a Fascist Area They're damn proud of the whole "Keep Portland Weird" thing.

The rest of the state is normal.

Click image to enlarge.

Agree on the top line, but I wouldn't say the rest of the state is normal lol. They are just a different kind of weird (but not facist).

Posted: **Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:32 pm**

Making people do their jobs is fascism now? It is gonna suck when you get a job and they won't let you leave the state in order to keep your workplace from operating.

Posted: **Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:01 pm**

spurgistan wrote:Making people do their jobs is fascism now? It is gonna suck when you get a job and they won't let you leave the state in order to keep your workplace from operating.

yes... using the police , armed with guns, to 'round up ' and force them to do their job is definitely Fascism...

Fascism definition is - a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

please .. go right ahead & defend the democrats on this one..

Posted: **Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:06 pm**

US politics is so fucked these days, it's almost unbelievable.

Posted: **Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:07 pm**

did they point their guns at those rogue republican politicians, NP?

Posted: **Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:24 pm**

riskllama wrote:did they point their guns at those rogue republican politicians, NP?

Posted: **Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:42 pm**

NomadPatriot wrote:
spurgistan wrote:Making people do their jobs is fascism now? It is gonna suck when you get a job and they won't let you leave the state in order to keep your workplace from operating.

yes... using the police , armed with guns, to 'round up ' and force them to do their job is definitely Fascism...

Fascism definition is - a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

please .. go right ahead & defend the democrats on this one..

If your state depends on you to operate and you flee the state to keep it from operating, what would you have them do? This isn't a valid political action, it's just cowardice. They should have tried to do their jobs and negotiate what they could. They still could, since they are free of any actual dereliction of duty charges that they would get if they did any other job of importance.

Posted: **Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:55 pm**

spurgistan wrote:
NomadPatriot wrote:
spurgistan wrote:Making people do their jobs is fascism now? It is gonna suck when you get a job and they won't let you leave the state in order to keep your workplace from operating.

yes... using the police , armed with guns, to 'round up ' and force them to do their job is definitely Fascism...

Fascism definition is - a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

please .. go right ahead & defend the democrats on this one..

If your state depends on you to operate and you flee the state to keep it from operating, what would you have them do? This isn't a valid political action, it's just cowardice. They should have tried to do their jobs and negotiate what they could. They still could, since they are free of any actual dereliction of duty charges that they would get if they did any other job of importance.

obviously you are not aware of the situation and just read headlines..
Oregon has a democratic super-majority.. so they can vote & pass laws and republican votes do not matter..
republicans DID try to negotiate. .the democrats refused to budge..
so the republicans walked out of negotiations..
the problem the democrats are facing is it takes 20 members of the house in order to put a bill u[p for vote.. there are 18 democrats & 12 republicans.. this is referred to as a Quorum.. it would be illegal for democrats to vote on the bill with only 18 members present.. so they are required to have 20 .. so they need 2 republicans to just be present in the room..
the republicans refusing to show up is a fully legitimate political move.

using the police to round up the house members & force them to show up is an attempt at Fascism .. plain & simple...

what are the police going to do if they show up at the republican House members residence & the republican says " no.. I am not going ".. are the police going to physically force the republican to comply.. ?
are they going to taser him, wrestle him to the ground & handcuff him.. ?
not going to work is NOT a crime..

it is amazing though how these leftists are actually trying to defend this..
because defending this means the next time there is a democrat filibuster on the senate floor.. Pence can tell the master at arms to go over & forcefully remove the senator from the chambers... according to your standards.. .that would be .. ok.. and fine.. ..& not Fascism..

Posted: **Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:07 am**

well, my definition of normal. For the most part, hard working, small town people that care about their neighbors. Massive generalization, I know, but for the most part, true.

This describes where I grew up, live, vacation, camp, play and hunt. I literally HATE going into Portland these days and NOTHING could get me to Eugene...lol.

Ps...unfortunately, the crats tasked with apprehending the pubs don't own guns, while the apparent detainees do. Should be fun!

mookiemcgee wrote:
KoolBak wrote:Correction: The whackos in the 3 large cities have created a Fascist Area They're damn proud of the whole "Keep Portland Weird" thing.

The rest of the state is normal.

Click image to enlarge.

Agree on the top line, but I wouldn't say the rest of the state is normal lol. They are just a different kind of weird (but not facist).

Posted: **Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:47 am**

I agree the Republicans shouldn’t be rounded up by the police.

They should be fired.

When you don’t show up for work you get fired. It happens to everyone else. Why not these Legislators?

You can’t just not go to work because you don’t like the job or the working environment or your coworkers.
You either suck it up and work anyway, or you quit.

If you don’t like what your coworkers are doing you go to you boss (which isn this case would be the voting public) and tell the boss(es).
If you are right and you make your case, you’ll get your way... which in this would be getting the Democrats voted out next election cycle.

What the Republicans are doing is the equivalent of “I’m taking my ball and going home”. Childish.

Posted: **Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:51 am**

Apparently the walkout strategy crosses all political boundaries :lol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Indiana_legislative_walkouts

Posted: **Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:05 pm**

KoolBak wrote:Apparently the walkout strategy crosses all political boundaries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Indiana_legislative_walkouts

the republican solution.. --> fine the members & withhold their pay while they continued to negotiate... not fascist police tactics

walkouts are a very common political practice ( from your Wikipedia page)--> Minority walkouts are common in Indiana, but are typically short in duration. They have occurred as recently as 2005, and as long ago as Civil War era, when at the request of Governor Oliver P. Morton, Republicans fled the capitol to prevent anti-war and pro-Confederate legislation from passing.[2] Republicans last staged a walkout in 2001 to deny quorum on statewide legislative redistricting, and Democrats did the same in 1991
Indiana tried to make walkouts a criminal offense.. it was deemed unconstitutional

anyways you cannot fire elected officials.. you can only vote them out.. comparing elected officials to hired employees is idiocracy

Posted: **Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:07 pm**

mookiemcgee wrote:
KoolBak wrote:Correction: The whackos in the 3 large cities have created a Fascist Area They're damn proud of the whole "Keep Portland Weird" thing.

The rest of the state is normal.

Click image to enlarge.

Agree on the top line, but I wouldn't say the rest of the state is normal lol. They are just a different kind of weird (but not facist).

I always see comments on like reddit and stuff how the non-portland/eugene areas of Oregon are these racist, klan- abiding redneck havens or some such. It reminds me of peoples' perceptions of the south especially, or maybe even like English stories of Africa c. early 1800s, in that it's so fantastical and removed from reality it's hilarious.

Posted: **Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:39 pm**

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:
KoolBak wrote:Correction: The whackos in the 3 large cities have created a Fascist Area They're damn proud of the whole "Keep Portland Weird" thing.

The rest of the state is normal.

Click image to enlarge.

Agree on the top line, but I wouldn't say the rest of the state is normal lol. They are just a different kind of weird (but not facist).

I always see comments on like reddit and stuff how the non-portland/eugene areas of Oregon are these racist, klan- abiding redneck havens or some such. It reminds me of peoples' perceptions of the south especially, or maybe even like English stories of Africa c. early 1800s, in that it's so fantastical and removed from reality it's hilarious.

it's because the lunatics in those cities actually believe there is a massive racist part of the population.. but they never see any of them in their cities.. so the racist horde MUST be outside the city...
but they never go there to check.. if they did. they would find out they are wrong.. imagine the horror!!!!!!!!

Posted: **Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:13 pm**

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:
KoolBak wrote:Correction: The whackos in the 3 large cities have created a Fascist Area They're damn proud of the whole "Keep Portland Weird" thing.

The rest of the state is normal.

Click image to enlarge.

Agree on the top line, but I wouldn't say the rest of the state is normal lol. They are just a different kind of weird (but not facist).

I always see comments on like reddit and stuff how the non-portland/eugene areas of Oregon are these racist, klan- abiding redneck havens or some such. It reminds me of peoples' perceptions of the south especially, or maybe even like English stories of Africa c. early 1800s, in that it's so fantastical and removed from reality it's hilarious.

Most people's idea of things they don't know is a caricature.

Posted: **Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:17 pm**

KoolBak wrote:Apparently the walkout strategy crosses all political boundaries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Indiana_legislative_walkouts

Yeah. Here in Canada we often have "bell-ringing incidents" where the opposition walks out of Parliament and the bells ring incessantly for them to come back. It's a legit tactic.

If the voters find the tactic was used in error, they have a right to signal their displeasure in the next election.

Posted: **Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:19 pm**

NomadPatriot wrote: comparing elected officials to hired employees is idiocracy

Why?

because you say so?

I’m not going to say there’s an exact equivalence, but you don’t need things to be identical to make comparisons.
Saying that (you need thing to be identical to make comparisons) isn’t idiocracy, it’s idiocy. A trait you display regularly.

Now you can refute the idea of firing people who refuse to show up for work as a bad idea in THIS case or in cases where elected officials are concerned.
That’s fine... and I’d ask you to why it’s a bad idea? Is there a limit as to how long an elected official should be allowed to skip work before there are consequences? If we can’t ‘fire’ them maybe there should be some sort of recall or impeachment option? What reasons would be acceptable for allowing someone to be a no-show; is it ok for an elected official to skip work to go fishing?

As a taxpayer I feel that the people I employ (i.e. all public employees including elected, appointed, or otherwise hired) should show up and do the job they were hired/elected to do. I don’t see how you can do you’re job by specifically avoiding doing your job.

So why?

Posted: **Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:21 pm**

Dukasaur wrote:
KoolBak wrote:Apparently the walkout strategy crosses all political boundaries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Indiana_legislative_walkouts

Yeah. Here in Canada we often have "bell-ringing incidents" where the opposition walks out of Parliament and the bells ring incessantly for them to come back. It's a legit tactic.

If the voters find the tactic was used in error, they have a right to signal their displeasure in the next election.

It’s a tactic. Why is it legit? Because people do it?

Posted: **Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:41 pm**

debating is the process of presenting your side of the argument and backing up your assertions with facts...
not requiring everyone to answer questions for you..
do your own research..
come back when your actually prepared

Posted: **Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:24 am**

jimboston wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
KoolBak wrote:Apparently the walkout strategy crosses all political boundaries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Indiana_legislative_walkouts

Yeah. Here in Canada we often have "bell-ringing incidents" where the opposition walks out of Parliament and the bells ring incessantly for them to come back. It's a legit tactic.

If the voters find the tactic was used in error, they have a right to signal their displeasure in the next election.

It’s a tactic. Why is it legit? Because people do it?

I suppose in the literal sense, it's legit because it's not against the law.

And yes, I understand that sometimes the law is stupid, but in this case I don't think it is. Democracy is a conversation. "Parliament" is derived from the French word for speech. Your word Congress has similar origins -- it is derived from the Latin term "let us walk together" which contains the unspoken adjunct "let us walk and talk together." The assumption in having debates in Parliament/Congress is that all points of view will be considered before a decision is made. There will be conversation, give-and-take, compromise.

And yet, we know that in real life Parliaments and Congresses often do not behave in that idealized way. Majority parties bring forth legislation and ram it through by sheer force of numbers, completely disregarding valid concerns that minority parties bring up. That isn't how democracy is supposed to work. The concerns brought up by minority parties are supposed to be thoughtfully considered, not simply overruled just because someone has a strong majority.

When minority concerns are completely disregarded by a bullying majority, I do think it is right and proper that the minority should employ whatever guerilla tactic they can come up with to try to bring the bullying under control.

Posted: **Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:36 am**

NomadPatriot wrote:debating is the process of presenting your side of the argument and backing up your assertions with facts...
not requiring everyone to answer questions for you..
do your own research..
come back when your actually prepared

Ha.

I’ve tried that... but we know your MO.

When confronted with actual facts you do three things...
1) Ignore them.
2) Misquote your opponents
3) Throw insults

So i’ll ‘Debate’ how I feel thanks.

Posted: **Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:45 am**

jimboston wrote:
NomadPatriot wrote:debating is the process of presenting your side of the argument and backing up your assertions with facts...
not requiring everyone to answer questions for you..
do your own research..
come back when your actually prepared

Ha.

I’ve tried that... but we know your MO.

When confronted with actual facts you do three things...
1) Ignore them.
2) Misquote your opponents
3) Throw insults

So i’ll ‘Debate’ how I feel thanks.

in this thread you have posed 8 questions, a pile of what you think & zero facts..
so... yeah you tried that for sure.. .. you 'debate' however you feel..

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