thanks for the Arsenic Water ...Mexico

[NomadPatriot]

Keurig Dr Pepper recalls bottled water with high arsenic levels

Keurig Dr Pepper Inc. KDP, said late Friday it is recalling its Peñafiel bottled water, imported from Mexico. the company said. All Peñafiel water is included in the voluntary withdrawal, the company said. Consumers can return it to retailers for a full refund

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/keurig-dr-pepper-recalls-bottled-water-with-high-arsenic-levels-2019-06-21

[Symmetry]

Always the little guys who get screwed. Dr Pepper is gonna get off free. He'll just disappear for a few months and turn up promoting some new form of his poison.

[Dukasaur]

Arsenic isn't any worse for you than the sugar that's normally present in pop.

60% of the people in the industrialized world will ultimately die from diabetes-related heart disease or some other entirely-preventable disease derived from carbohydrate abuse.

[Symmetry]

Arsenic isn't any worse for you than the sugar that's normally present in pop.

60% of the people in the industrialized world will ultimately die from diabetes-related heart disease or some other entirely-preventable disease derived from carbohydrate abuse.

Sym presents the DUK challenge- is arsenic really no worse for you than sugar?

The challenger- can you prevent Duk from ingesting arsenic to prove his point?

The prize- probably some stars.

[hotfire]

In this thread a conservative worries about the environment.

[NomadPatriot]

Arsenic isn't any worse for you than the sugar that's normally present in pop.

60% of the people in the industrialized world will ultimately die from diabetes-related heart disease or some other entirely-preventable disease derived from carbohydrate abuse.

considering only 23.6 million Americans actually have diabetes. ( about 8% of the population). I am not sure how 60% of people would die from it.. so not too sure on your stats. do you have information that directly links 60% of deaths to Carbohydrate Abuse...?

you mean like eating too much: Corn Starch, Barley, Wild Rice, Semolina, Rice, Chickpeas, Spaghetti, Raisins, Noodles, Shitake Mushrooms, flour, Oatmeal....
all of these foods contain Carbohydrates.. so I guess Carbohydrate Abuse would be eating all of these 'dangerous foods' too much.

don't eat healthy. eat... more McDonald's & Imported Mexico water please.

if a disease is entirely preventable. why didn't they just get it cured. .?
did Carbohydrate Abuse prevent them from getting it cured..?

[hotfire]

6 ways the Trump administration has tried to roll back environmental protections that keep US drinking water safe

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-administration-water-regulations-roll-back-2019-3

but MEXICO

[NomadPatriot]

6 ways the Trump administration has tried to roll back environmental protections that keep US drinking water safe

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-administration-water-regulations-roll-back-2019-3

but MEXICO

it's a nice hit job article on things trump wanted to do.. but I can not find anything about how unsafe water is in America today as a result..
so yeah. .Arsenic .. from Mexico..
feel free to drink it up

[2dimes]

Want a nice glass of US tap waterThorhoth?

[Dukasaur]

Arsenic isn't any worse for you than the sugar that's normally present in pop.

60% of the people in the industrialized world will ultimately die from diabetes-related heart disease or some other entirely-preventable disease derived from carbohydrate abuse.

considering only 23.6 million Americans actually have diabetes. ( about 8% of the population). I am not sure how 60% of people would die from it.. so not too sure on your stats.

According to the CDC, 30 million Americans have diabetes, or 9.5% of the population.
https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/data/statistics/statistics-report.html
I linked to a very rough summary, but if you want to dig deeper there are links from there to more detailed reports.

Now, if you look at that summary, you'll see another number. "84.1 million adults aged 18 years or older have prediabetes (33.9% of the adult US population)" What does that mean? Prediabetes means you're standing on the threshold of diabetes. You still have time to turn back, if you stop eating crap, but given the atrociously bad nutritional advice given out by the government and its Big Pharma sugar daddies, very few people will. Most of those 84 million will move across the threshold and be full-blown diabetics in due course of time.

So add together the 9.5% of the population that's already diabetic and the 34% that's well on its way, you're now up to about 43%. But that's still not the whole picture. If you dig deeper into the stats, you'll find that the stats are heavily skewed with age. Older people are far more likely to be reported in the diabetic or pre-diabetic categories. But it's young people who are eating the junk food that will eventually land them in those categories. In most countries, the death rate from diabetic-related causes tends to lag about 25 years behind changes in diet. So there's a lot more young people who are not reported as diabetic or pre-diabetic right now, but sure as shit will be eventually.

As a general ballpark extrapolation of the data, if 40% are already being reported in dia/predia range, 60% will be in 20 years.

Here's a nice little graph showing the growth of diabetes over time. The slope of the graph is pretty steep in the years from 1990 to 2010, although it does slow down a bit after that. One graph is hardly the last word on the subject, but it does illustrate the point nicely.

do you have information that directly links 60% of deaths to Carbohydrate Abuse...?

In short, nope. Nothing that would stand up in court. But we're not in court. We're having an informal conversation on a gaming site. My ballpark extrapolation is good enough.

you mean like eating too much: Corn Starch, Barley, Wild Rice, Semolina, Rice, Chickpeas, Spaghetti, Raisins, Noodles, Shitake Mushrooms, flour, Oatmeal....
all of these foods contain Carbohydrates.. so I guess Carbohydrate Abuse would be eating all of these 'dangerous foods' too much.

Precisely. Too much of anything is bad, of course, but how much it takes to cause harm varies with the concentration.

If you take opioids as an analogy, resistant starches like those in legumes are like eating raw poppy seeds. You can kill yourself if you do enough, but it would take a hell of a lot. Plants that have been selectively bred for a high starch content, like wheat, rice, and corn, are like codeine. There is a safe dose, but you need to be careful. Refined sugar is heroin. There is still a safe dose, but it's very, very small and you're better off just staying away from the shit.

if a disease is entirely preventable. why didn't they just get it cured. .?
did Carbohydrate Abuse prevent them from getting it cured..?

Yeah, pretty much. Carbs are addictive. Every time you eat carbs, your body releases insulin, which makes you crave more carbs. Give in to that craving, and you'll release even more insulin, and so on and so forth. It's a slowly accelerating wheel of death. Some people succumb at 20, others hold out to 60, but the majority of people exposed to the disgusting Western diet do succumb eventually.

Unfortunately people are dealing not only with the inherently addictive nature of carbs, but with sustained pressure from the carbohydrate industries, from the pharmaceutical industry, and from the government. It's been known for 150 years that carbs cause obesity and diabetes, but a sustained propaganda effort from Big Pharma, Big Sugar, and government has largely suppressed that knowledge and misdirected people in all kinds of stupid directions.

You get multibillion dollar organizations like Quaker Oats with a squeeky-clean wholesome image that are actually merchants of death. They spend literally tens of millions on propaganda portraying their shit as some kind of health food. Yeah, raw or minimally-processed milled oats are actually pretty good, mostly fibre. But most of the shit they're selling isn't anything near raw or milled oats. There's "instant oats" which are basically oat starch with 90% of the fiber taken out, and there's "granola" bars which are mostly sugar and candy with just enough granola and oats to avoid getting sued. A study gets published showing that people who eat a lot of raw oats have reduced heart disease, and that's used to sell disgusting candy bars with a few fragments of oat in them.

[2dimes]

Whatever, I would still drink Dr Pepper in Flint instead of tap water.

[NomadPatriot]

NomadPatriot wrote: do you have information that directly links 60% of deaths to Carbohydrate Abuse...?

In short, nope. Nothing that would stand up in court. But we're not in court. We're having an informal conversation on a gaming site. My ballpark extrapolation is good enough.

at least you are admitting you do not have any information that directly links 60% of the population dying from diabetes that you claimed..
sorry but no . your 'EXTRAPOLATION' was just a long diatribe.

but we can go with your figure of 9.5%.. sound more logical then 60%. the 8% figure I got was from 2010..
a 1.5% increase in diabetes cases over 10 years with population growth via immigration to Industrialized Countries is reasonable.

[hotfire]

NomadPatriot wrote: do you have information that directly links 60% of deaths to Carbohydrate Abuse...?

In short, nope. Nothing that would stand up in court. But we're not in court. We're having an informal conversation on a gaming site. My ballpark extrapolation is good enough.

at least you are admitting you do not have any information that directly links 60% of the population dying from diabetes that you claimed..
sorry but no . your 'EXTRAPOLATION' was just a long diatribe.

but we can go with your figure of 9.5%.. sound more logical then 60%. the 8% figure I got was from 2010..
a 1.5% increase in diabetes cases over 10 years with population growth via immigration to Industrialized Countries is reasonable.

This isn't the GDP, population growth does not affect percentages of population without a cause. Americans are more likely to be unhealthy. Americans have the worst diet on the planet. Any outsiders coming in should decline the percentage of diabetes of the whole. That means regular good old Americans are indeed getting more unhealthy over time and more so than the figures show. Unless regular good old Americans are corrupting the newcomers into a terrible diet in which case the newcomers are still not the cause, but a byproduct.

[NomadPatriot]

NomadPatriot wrote: do you have information that directly links 60% of deaths to Carbohydrate Abuse...?

In short, nope. Nothing that would stand up in court. But we're not in court. We're having an informal conversation on a gaming site. My ballpark extrapolation is good enough.

at least you are admitting you do not have any information that directly links 60% of the population dying from diabetes that you claimed..
sorry but no . your 'EXTRAPOLATION' was just a long diatribe.

but we can go with your figure of 9.5%.. sound more logical then 60%. the 8% figure I got was from 2010..
a 1.5% increase in diabetes cases over 10 years with population growth via immigration to Industrialized Countries is reasonable.

This isn't the GDP, population growth does not affect percentages of population without a cause. Americans are more likely to be unhealthy. Americans have the worst diet on the planet. Any outsiders coming in should decline the percentage of diabetes of the whole. That means regular good old Americans are indeed getting more unhealthy over time and more so than the figures show. Unless regular good old Americans are corrupting the newcomers into a terrible diet in which case the newcomers are still not the cause, but a byproduct.

Overweight and Diabetes Prevalence Among US Immigrants
" with the increases in prevalence of overweight—defined as a body mass index (BMI; weight in kilograms divided by height in meters squared) of 25 kg/m2 or more—and associated diseases such as diabetes, the US population has grown and diversified, in part due to the immigrant population."

Conclusions. Considerable heterogeneity in both prevalence of overweight and diabetes by region of birth highlights the importance of making this distinction among US immigrants to better identify subgroups with higher risks of these conditions.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2836348/

BOOM!

[hotfire]

NomadPatriot wrote: do you have information that directly links 60% of deaths to Carbohydrate Abuse...?

In short, nope. Nothing that would stand up in court. But we're not in court. We're having an informal conversation on a gaming site. My ballpark extrapolation is good enough.

at least you are admitting you do not have any information that directly links 60% of the population dying from diabetes that you claimed..
sorry but no . your 'EXTRAPOLATION' was just a long diatribe.

but we can go with your figure of 9.5%.. sound more logical then 60%. the 8% figure I got was from 2010..
a 1.5% increase in diabetes cases over 10 years with population growth via immigration to Industrialized Countries is reasonable.

This isn't the GDP, population growth does not affect percentages of population without a cause. Americans are more likely to be unhealthy. Americans have the worst diet on the planet. Any outsiders coming in should decline the percentage of diabetes of the whole. That means regular good old Americans are indeed getting more unhealthy over time and more so than the figures show. Unless regular good old Americans are corrupting the newcomers into a terrible diet in which case the newcomers are still not the cause, but a byproduct.

Overweight and Diabetes Prevalence Among US Immigrants
" with the increases in prevalence of overweight—defined as a body mass index (BMI; weight in kilograms divided by height in meters squared) of 25 kg/m2 or more—and associated diseases such as diabetes, the US population has grown and diversified, in part due to the immigrant population."

Conclusions. Considerable heterogeneity in both prevalence of overweight and diabetes by region of birth highlights the importance of making this distinction among US immigrants to better identify subgroups with higher risks of these conditions.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2836348/

BOOM!

After adjusting for region of birth, poverty income ratio, age, and sex, immigrants residing in the United States for ≥10 years were more likely to be overweight/obese (odds ratio [OR], 1.19; 95% CI, 1.10–1.29), diabetic (OR, 1.43; 95% CI, 1.17–1.73), and hypertensive (OR, 1.18; 95% CI, 1.05–1.32) than those residing in the United States for <10 years.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.116.004059

[NomadPatriot]

After adjusting for region of birth, poverty income ratio, age, and sex, immigrants residing in the United States for ≥10 years were more likely to be overweight/obese (odds ratio [OR], 1.19; 95% CI, 1.10–1.29), diabetic (OR, 1.43; 95% CI, 1.17–1.73), and hypertensive (OR, 1.18; 95% CI, 1.05–1.32) than those residing in the United States for <10 years.https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.116.004059

from your link:
Hispanics and individuals of Mexican, Caribbean, Central American, South American, or other Spanish‐speaking origins have higher rates of CMR factors, such as hypertension, high cholesterol, diabetes mellitus, and obesity, compared with whites.

[hotfire]

Yes but their diets were fine before being corrupted. Which I said was the problem (along w duk). And is

[NomadPatriot]

Yes but their diets were fine before being corrupted. Which I said was the problem (along w duk). And is

prove their diets were fine..

you link says--> Hispanics and individuals of Mexican, Caribbean, Central American, South American, or other Spanish‐speaking origins have higher rates of CMR factors, such as hypertension, high cholesterol, diabetes mellitus, and obesity, compared with whites.

it doesn''t say anything about " depending on where they live".. in general.. people from those countries have higher rates.

immigrants from Latino or south American Countries naturally have a higher rate of Diabetes & other health factors mentioned. then I am correct.. my original statement still stands .. proven by the very link you provided. I guesstimated it a mere 1.5% increase.. from the 2010 study I referenced to the 2019 study you referenced.

--> " but we can go with your figure of 9.5%.. sound more logical then 60%. the 8% figure I got was from 2010..
a 1.5% increase in diabetes cases over 10 years with population growth via immigration to Industrialized Countries is reasonable."

your linked information backs up my statement..

so why are you still here debating this...?

[hotfire]

ugh. I did. You just don't like to read what you don't want to.

[NomadPatriot]

Unless regular good old Americans are corrupting the newcomers into a terrible diet in which case the newcomers are still not the cause, but a byproduct

Yes but their diets were fine before being corrupted

prove their diets were fine..

ugh. I did. You just don't like to read what you don't want to.

the only info you posted was immigrants already living in America for more then 10 years or less then 10 years.

-->

immigrants residing in the United States for ≥10 years were more likely to be overweight/obese (odds ratio [OR], 1.19; 95% CI, 1.10–1.29), diabetic (OR, 1.43; 95% CI, 1.17–1.73), and hypertensive (OR, 1.18; 95% CI, 1.05–1.32) than those residing in the United States for <10 years .

you have not posted anything about immigrants diets BEFORE they came to America. . like you just stated you did.



your embarrassing yourself 'HOTFIRE".. you cannot even keep up with your own comments..

[hotfire]

prove their diets were fine..

ugh. I did. You just don't like to read what you don't want to.

the only info you posted was immigrants already living in America for more then 10 years or less then 10 years.

-->

immigrants residing in the United States for ≥10 years were more likely to be overweight/obese (odds ratio [OR], 1.19; 95% CI, 1.10–1.29), diabetic (OR, 1.43; 95% CI, 1.17–1.73), and hypertensive (OR, 1.18; 95% CI, 1.05–1.32) than those residing in the United States for <10 years .

you have not posted anything about immigrants diets BEFORE they came to America. . like you just stated you did.

Yes but their diets were fine before being corrupted

your embarrassing yourself 'HOTFIRE".. you cannot even keep up with your own comments..

Their diets were better or they would have had O/O, D, H before 10 years after moving here FFS.

Oh I get it. Maybe it is the withdrawals from lack of arsenic water from Mexico that gave them O/O, D and H ten years removed.

[NomadPatriot]

Their diets were better or they would have had O/O, D, H before 10 years after moving here FFS.Oh I get it. Maybe it is the withdrawals from lack of arsenic water from Mexico that gave them O/O, D and H ten years removed.

you said you provided prof their diets were better..
still waiting on that..

you keep trying to say 'their diets are better before coming to America.' but you still haven't proven anything..
sounds like you think people in other countries don't get diabetes related conditions until they come to America..
it's a magical wonderland everywhere else..

[hotfire]

Their diets were better or they would have had O/O, D, H before 10 years after moving here FFS.Oh I get it. Maybe it is the withdrawals from lack of arsenic water from Mexico that gave them O/O, D and H ten years removed.

you said you provided prof their diets were better..
still waiting on that..

you keep trying to say 'their diets are better before coming to America.' but you still haven't proven anything..
sounds like you think people in other countries don't get diabetes related conditions until they come to America..
it's a magical wonderland everywhere else..

Oh. I guess it is the low quality gyms in America that increased their O/O, D and H after 10 years emigrated. Of course.

But you are right. There is a chance that it is also helped along by liver damage from working the farm fields filled w pesticides and such.

[NomadPatriot]

Oh. I guess it is the low quality gyms in America that increased their O/O, D and H after 10 years emigrated. Of course.But you are right. There is a chance that it is also helped along by liver damage from working the farm fields filled w pesticides and such.

you keep avoiding providing that proof of their diets BEFORE coming to America.. ..

still waiting on that.. but I am sure you will keep beating around the bush..

weird how when you think of immigrants coming to America.. you think farm laborers. you don't think doctors or police officers or school teachers or ministers. .. or anything middle class or upper class. just farm workers.. almost like you think of immigrants as .. modern day slave labor..

[hotfire]

Oh. I guess it is the low quality gyms in America that increased their O/O, D and H after 10 years emigrated. Of course.But you are right. There is a chance that it is also helped along by liver damage from working the farm fields filled w pesticides and such.

you keep avoiding providing that proof of their diets BEFORE coming to America.. ..

still waiting on that.. but I am sure you will keep beating around the bush..

Well since you moved the goal posts from proving immigrants of not being the problem for increased diabetes percentages in a whole population to proving immigrants diets were worse not after they moved to the USA (which can be deduced) but better before (which can be implied from deduction) and because I don't have the time, resources or ability to follow thousands of immigrants around for decades prior to now I guess you WIN!!! YAY.

PS: I have shown that your implication that immigrants from certain countries not of Europe have preexisting diabetes problems is false. It is coming to America and being here for 10 plus years that gives them this problem likely due to reformation with the new culture. If they kept the same diet and lifestyle when arriving and ten years after arriving in the US there would not be statistical stuffs that shows a difference in their health that is most assuredly a change in lifestyle between the two periods of time. No I cannot prove without a doubt which part of their lifestyle is the culprit, because it could be more than one. Diet is the unproven likely culprit. No you will not be happy cuz troll stuff.

Yes, the US does need to import many Drs. from other countries due to a lack of internal supply within the US. I only gave one possible other example and you ran with it to the moon. As for your slave talk keep it to yourself within your own head.