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Dukasaur wrote:Surprised to see nobody here talking about the Mattis resignation.
For the record:
https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2018/12/mattis-letter2.pdf
I'm of two minds here. On the one hand, Trump is a lying, cheating dirtbag and it's always nice to see anything that causes him embarrassment.
On the other hand, interventionism is almost always a bad thing. Ending America's pointless adventures in Syria and Afghanistan is the right thing to do.
Since the announcement of the Syria pullout, there has been a swarm of generals, former generals, diplomats, former diplomats, pundits and miscellaneous self-proclaimed experts lining up to condemn the pullout, coalescing of course around Mattis' resignation and other resignations such as McGurk's. If truth could be determined by numbers, they'd certainly be in the right. But they're not. You have to remember that this is the military-industrial complex, these are the people who earn their incomes from perpetuating wars, the people that we have been warned against by thinkers as diverse as Dwight Eisenhower and George Orwell, James Madison and Noam Chomsky, Milton Friedman and Georges Sorel. The Mattises and the McGurks have earned their bread and butter -- a very nice grade of bread and butter -- from coming up with reasons why America should continue to fly around the world, beating the shit out of Third World countries who refuse to kowtow. Now that there is a chance the gravy train might slow down -- definitely not stop, but slow down just a little -- they are closing ranks to protect their jobs.
I hate liars, I hate cheats, I hate blowhards. For all these reasons, I hate Trump, who tells lie after lie from dawn till dusk, who has cheated millions, and who is the hardest-blowing blowhard ever. It would be great if I could just move with the mob and revel in his embarrassment over the Mattis resignation.
Nonetheless, if I am to remain intellectually and morally honest, I have to admit that this time he's doing the right thing. The military-industrial complex that is closing ranks against him are the long-term enemy. For all his wrongs, this time Trump is right, and it would be a shame if he was to back down in the face of the generals.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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HitRed wrote:The media is praising Mad Dog Mattis for following his personal conscience. So did Trump. He again is the guy standing alone. Congressional leaders, military leaders, media and world leaders mostly think he is wrong here. Time after time he stands alone.
riskllama wrote:you didn't ask why he is pulling out, duk. i am reasonably certain it's not for any of the right reasons.
riskllama wrote:HitRed wrote:The media is praising Mad Dog Mattis for following his personal conscience. So did Trump. He again is the guy standing alone. Congressional leaders, military leaders, media and world leaders mostly think he is wrong here. Time after time he stands alone.riskllama wrote:you didn't ask why he is pulling out, duk. i am reasonably certain it's not for any of the right reasons.
riskllama wrote:you didn't ask why he is pulling out, duk. i am reasonably certain it's not for any of the right reasons.
mrswdk wrote:riskllama wrote:you didn't ask why he is pulling out, duk. i am reasonably certain it's not for any of the right reasons.
llama never pulls out.
armati wrote:Thses were from posts at another site I frequent, I havnt checked them out.
I did see a mention of the americns defeating isis in Syria.
Complete bs so there could be more bs in the lists.
saxitoxin wrote:Dukasaur wrote:Surprised to see nobody here talking about the Mattis resignation.
For the record:
https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2018/12/mattis-letter2.pdf
I'm of two minds here. On the one hand, Trump is a lying, cheating dirtbag and it's always nice to see anything that causes him embarrassment.
On the other hand, interventionism is almost always a bad thing. Ending America's pointless adventures in Syria and Afghanistan is the right thing to do.
Since the announcement of the Syria pullout, there has been a swarm of generals, former generals, diplomats, former diplomats, pundits and miscellaneous self-proclaimed experts lining up to condemn the pullout, coalescing of course around Mattis' resignation and other resignations such as McGurk's. If truth could be determined by numbers, they'd certainly be in the right. But they're not. You have to remember that this is the military-industrial complex, these are the people who earn their incomes from perpetuating wars, the people that we have been warned against by thinkers as diverse as Dwight Eisenhower and George Orwell, James Madison and Noam Chomsky, Milton Friedman and Georges Sorel. The Mattises and the McGurks have earned their bread and butter -- a very nice grade of bread and butter -- from coming up with reasons why America should continue to fly around the world, beating the shit out of Third World countries who refuse to kowtow. Now that there is a chance the gravy train might slow down -- definitely not stop, but slow down just a little -- they are closing ranks to protect their jobs.
I hate liars, I hate cheats, I hate blowhards. For all these reasons, I hate Trump, who tells lie after lie from dawn till dusk, who has cheated millions, and who is the hardest-blowing blowhard ever. It would be great if I could just move with the mob and revel in his embarrassment over the Mattis resignation.
Nonetheless, if I am to remain intellectually and morally honest, I have to admit that this time he's doing the right thing. The military-industrial complex that is closing ranks against him are the long-term enemy. For all his wrongs, this time Trump is right, and it would be a shame if he was to back down in the face of the generals.
Trump is your broccoli. You agree it's good for you but you still don't like it;
- You liked Trump ending the Trans Pacific Partnership
- You liked Trump pulling U.S. troops out of Syria
etc., etc.
Rationally, you like Trump. Emotionally, you don't like Trump.
HitRed wrote:If you haven't won over the hearts and minds of the people of Afghanistan in 17 years then you won't. - HitRed
tzor wrote:HitRed wrote:If you haven't won over the hearts and minds of the people of Afghanistan in 17 years then you won't. - HitRed
Uh it has to do with Syria, not Afghanistan.
HitRed wrote:Mattis was upset about the US pulling out of Syria and 1/2 our troops out of Afghanistan. Both belong in this thread.
Ending America's pointless adventures in Syria and Afghanistan is the right thing to do. - Opening thread by Duka.
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