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What the f*ck is metsfan doing?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:21 pm
by Dukasaur
http://nautil.us/blog/the-present-phase-of-stagnation-in-the-foundations-of-physics-is-not-normal
Nothing is moving in the foundations of physics. One experiment after the other is returning null results: No new particles, no new dimensions, no new symmetries. Sure, there are some anomalies in the data here and there, and maybe one of them will turn out to be real news. But experimentalists are just poking in the dark. They have no clue where new physics may be to find. And their colleagues in theory development are of no help.

Some have called it a crisis. But I don’t think “crisis” describes the current situation well: Crisis is so optimistic. It raises the impression that theorists realized the error of their ways, that change is on the way, that they are waking up now and will abandon their flawed methodology. But I see no awakening. The self-reflection in the community is zero, zilch, nada, nichts, null. They just keep doing what they’ve been doing for 40 years, blathering about naturalness and multiverses and shifting their “predictions,” once again, to the next larger particle collider.

I think stagnation describes it better. And let me be clear that the problem with this stagnation is not with the experiments. The problem is loads of wrong predictions from theoretical physicists.

The problem is also not that we lack data. We have data in abundance. But all the data are well explained by the existing theories—the standard model of particle physics and the cosmological concordance model. Still, we know that’s not it. The current theories are incomplete.

We know this both because dark matter is merely a placeholder for something we don’t understand, and because the mathematical formulation of particle physics is incompatible with the math we use for gravity. Physicists knew about these two problems already in 1930s. And until the 1970s, they made great progress. But since then, theory development in the foundations of physics has stalled. If experiments find anything new now, that will be despite, not because of, some ten-thousands of wrong predictions.

We are today making more investments into the foundations of physics than ever before. And yet nothing is coming out of it.

Ten-thousands of wrong predictions sounds dramatic, but it’s actually an underestimate. I am merely summing up predictions that have been made for physics beyond the standard model which the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) was supposed to find: All the extra dimensions in their multiple shapes and configurations, all the pretty symmetry groups, all the new particles with the fancy names. You can estimate the total number of such predictions by counting the papers, or, alternatively, the people working in the fields and their average productivity.

They were all wrong. Even if the LHC finds something new in the data that is yet to come, we already know that the theorists’ guesses did not work out. Not. A. Single. One. How much more evidence do they need that their methods are not working?

Re: What the f*ck is metsfan doing?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:41 pm
by DoomYoshi
He designs graphics cards (or something like that).

He works at a place that is somewhat of a laughing-stock for failing to achieve its stated goals. I say that with the utmost respect of course, they are all smarter than I am and they are still doing great research.

I won't tell you which billion-dollar project he's working on (that would qualify as personal information), but I will tell you that it's on Atlas Obscura and we almost went there but didn't have the time.

Re: What the f*ck is metsfan doing?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:34 pm
by Metsfanmax
Dukasaur wrote:http://nautil.us/blog/the-present-phase-of-stagnation-in-the-foundations-of-physics-is-not-normal
Nothing is moving in the foundations of physics. One experiment after the other is returning null results: No new particles, no new dimensions, no new symmetries. Sure, there are some anomalies in the data here and there, and maybe one of them will turn out to be real news. But experimentalists are just poking in the dark. They have no clue where new physics may be to find. And their colleagues in theory development are of no help.

Some have called it a crisis. But I don’t think “crisis” describes the current situation well: Crisis is so optimistic. It raises the impression that theorists realized the error of their ways, that change is on the way, that they are waking up now and will abandon their flawed methodology. But I see no awakening. The self-reflection in the community is zero, zilch, nada, nichts, null. They just keep doing what they’ve been doing for 40 years, blathering about naturalness and multiverses and shifting their “predictions,” once again, to the next larger particle collider.

I think stagnation describes it better. And let me be clear that the problem with this stagnation is not with the experiments. The problem is loads of wrong predictions from theoretical physicists.

The problem is also not that we lack data. We have data in abundance. But all the data are well explained by the existing theories—the standard model of particle physics and the cosmological concordance model. Still, we know that’s not it. The current theories are incomplete.

We know this both because dark matter is merely a placeholder for something we don’t understand, and because the mathematical formulation of particle physics is incompatible with the math we use for gravity. Physicists knew about these two problems already in 1930s. And until the 1970s, they made great progress. But since then, theory development in the foundations of physics has stalled. If experiments find anything new now, that will be despite, not because of, some ten-thousands of wrong predictions.

We are today making more investments into the foundations of physics than ever before. And yet nothing is coming out of it.

Ten-thousands of wrong predictions sounds dramatic, but it’s actually an underestimate. I am merely summing up predictions that have been made for physics beyond the standard model which the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) was supposed to find: All the extra dimensions in their multiple shapes and configurations, all the pretty symmetry groups, all the new particles with the fancy names. You can estimate the total number of such predictions by counting the papers, or, alternatively, the people working in the fields and their average productivity.

They were all wrong. Even if the LHC finds something new in the data that is yet to come, we already know that the theorists’ guesses did not work out. Not. A. Single. One. How much more evidence do they need that their methods are not working?


I didn't know that tzor is a published author.

Re: What the f*ck is metsfan doing?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:08 pm
by HitRed
That was cool.

Re: What the f*ck is metsfan doing?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:09 pm
by riskllama
Dukasaur wrote:http://nautil.us/blog/the-present-phase-of-stagnation-in-the-foundations-of-physics-is-not-normal
Nothing is moving in the foundations of physics. One experiment after the other is returning null results: no new symmetries.


i say keep up the good work, lads & lasses... =D>

Re: What the f*ck is metsfan doing?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:12 pm
by HitRed
I also support, "No new Symmetry" :lol:

Re: What the f*ck is metsfan doing?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:24 am
by Dukasaur
Metsfanmax wrote:
I didn't know that tzor is a published author.



No, but seriously. Other than redefining the kilogram and screwing up all kinds of drug deals, what have you done lately?

Oh, and other than stuff that Doom isn't allowed to tell me...:)

And please don't mention the aqueducts!

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:55 am
by 2dimes
Aqueduct, did you mean Aqualung?

Siting on a park bench.

Re:

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:59 am
by Dukasaur
2dimes wrote:Aqueduct, did you mean Aqualung?

Siting on a park bench.


No, I meant aqueduct.



But I like Jethro Tull, also...:)

Re: What the f*ck is metsfan doing?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:08 am
by 2dimes
That's a good clip. They put a large amount of Python stuff in Canadian Netflix a few months ago. Some of the documentaries are really great.

Re: What the f*ck is metsfan doing?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:16 am
by Dukasaur
2dimes wrote:That's a good clip. They put a large amount of Python stuff in Canadian Netflix a few months ago. Some of the documentaries are really great.


Yeah, I watched Almost the Truth, one of the documentaries, about a month ago. I see there's about six more now. :D

Re: What the f*ck is metsfan doing?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:45 am
by tzor
Metsfanmax wrote:I didn't know that tzor is a published author.


I'm not, unless you count my crappy novels I have on LuLu.
If you would like I can comment on that silly statement.
In fact we might (hard to tell) have detected the interaction of a SUSY type particle in the Antarctic.
(Well they did it, don't get that type of data in world financial markets.)

Re: What the f*ck is metsfan doing?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:49 am
by betiko
I didn’t know mets was still alive and well, he s sent no postcard

Re: What the f*ck is metsfan doing?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:48 am
by nietzsche
at this hour he's sleeping.