Conquer Club

betiko wrote:Maybe you should add « modern american » to your title otherwise people will laugh like when Donald tramp said he’s the best president ever in the UN

demonfork wrote:

betiko wrote:Maybe you should add « modern american » to your title otherwise people will laugh like when Donald tramp said he’s the best president ever in the UN

Rap was invented in modern america

betiko wrote:

demonfork wrote:

betiko wrote:Maybe you should add « modern american » to your title otherwise people will laugh like when Donald tramp said he’s the best president ever in the UN

Rap was invented in modern america

maybe, but rythmically assisted poetry existed way before america was discovered.
Also rhymers ain't poets. These guys aren't even capable of writing in alexandrins or other verse types with the same depth and existentialism metaphores, we're not talking about the same league. Call them rappers, it isn't derogatory, it's just what they are. They are not as good poets as poets are, and poets aren't as good rappers as they are.
Also poetry only works in they language they were written in in the first place, and not all poets are understood. So you can't compare or rank poetry.

demonfork wrote:

betiko wrote:

demonfork wrote:

betiko wrote:Maybe you should add « modern american » to your title otherwise people will laugh like when Donald tramp said he’s the best president ever in the UN

Rap was invented in modern america

maybe, but rythmically assisted poetry existed way before america was discovered.
Also rhymers ain't poets. These guys aren't even capable of writing in alexandrins or other verse types with the same depth and existentialism metaphores, we're not talking about the same league. Call them rappers, it isn't derogatory, it's just what they are. They are not as good poets as poets are, and poets aren't as good rappers as they are.
Also poetry only works in they language they were written in in the first place, and not all poets are understood. So you can't compare or rank poetry.

Lol RAP is an acronym for Rhythmically Assisted Poetry.

Symmetry wrote:

demonfork wrote:

betiko wrote:

demonfork wrote:

betiko wrote:Maybe you should add « modern american » to your title otherwise people will laugh like when Donald tramp said he’s the best president ever in the UN

Rap was invented in modern america

maybe, but rythmically assisted poetry existed way before america was discovered.
Also rhymers ain't poets. These guys aren't even capable of writing in alexandrins or other verse types with the same depth and existentialism metaphores, we're not talking about the same league. Call them rappers, it isn't derogatory, it's just what they are. They are not as good poets as poets are, and poets aren't as good rappers as they are.
Also poetry only works in they language they were written in in the first place, and not all poets are understood. So you can't compare or rank poetry.

Lol RAP is an acronym for Rhythmically Assisted Poetry.

Not really, mate.

betiko wrote:The English verb rap has various meanings, such as "to strike, especially with a quick, smart, or light blow",[11] as well "to utter sharply or vigorously: to rap out a command."[11] The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary gives a date of 1541 for the first recorded use of the word with the meaning "to utter (esp. an oath) sharply, vigorously, or suddenly".[12] Wentworth and Flexner's Dictionary of American Slang gives the meaning "to speak to, recognize, or acknowledge acquaintance with someone", dated 1932,[13] and a later meaning of "to converse, esp. in an open and frank manner".[14] It is these meanings from which the musical form of rapping derives, and this definition may be from a shortening of repartee.[15] A rapper refers to a performer who "raps".

By the late 1960s, when Hubert G. Brown changed his name to H. Rap Brown, rap was a slang term referring to an oration or speech, such as was common among the "hip" crowd in the protest movements, but it did not come to be associated with a musical style for another decade.[citation needed]

Rap was used to describe talking on records as early as 1971, on Isaac Hayes' album Black Moses with track names such as "Ike's Rap," "Ike's Rap II," "Ike's Rap III," and so on.[16] Hayes' "husky-voiced sexy spoken 'raps' became key components in his signature sound."[16] Del the Funky Homosapien similarly states that rap was used to refer to talking in a stylistic manner in the early 1970s: "I was born in '72... back then what rapping meant, basically, was you trying to convey something—you're trying to convince somebody. That's what rapping is, it's in the way you talk."[17]

mrswdk wrote:lol, Eminem? C'mon bro.

Where are Deltron, J5, ODB? There are way better rappers out there than Kendrick 'Totally Overhyped' Lamar.

Let's get some UK in there. Jehst is good. I want to say The Streets as well, although after his awesome first album he went off the boil pretty quickly.

mrswdk wrote:MF Doom moved to the US when he was a baby and spent pretty much his whole life living there. A British passport does not a British rapper make. If Tupac got a Chinese passport, would he be a Chinese rapper?

MF Doom is awesome though.

Eminem can rap quickly and knows how to pick two words that rhyme with each other, but I don't think his music's particularly interesting or meaningful. He was fun when he was Slim Shady, now he's just an emo who writes love songs to his daughter.

I don't know about J5. As a collective.

From the UK there's also Roots Manuva.

mrswdk wrote:lol, Eminem? C'mon bro.

Where are Deltron, J5, ODB? There are way better rappers out there than Kendrick 'Totally Overhyped' Lamar.

Let's get some UK in there. Jehst is good. I want to say The Streets as well, although after his awesome first album he went off the boil pretty quickly.

demonfork wrote:

mrswdk wrote:MF Doom moved to the US when he was a baby and spent pretty much his whole life living there. A British passport does not a British rapper make. If Tupac got a Chinese passport, would he be a Chinese rapper?

MF Doom is awesome though.

Eminem can rap quickly and knows how to pick two words that rhyme with each other, but I don't think his music's particularly interesting or meaningful. He was fun when he was Slim Shady, now he's just an emo who writes love songs to his daughter.

I don't know about J5. As a collective.

From the UK there's also Roots Manuva.

Speaking of Chinese rappers...

mrswdk wrote:MF Doom moved to the US when he was a baby and spent pretty much his whole life living there. A British passport does not a British rapper make. If Tupac got a Chinese passport, would he be a Chinese rapper?

MF Doom is awesome though.

Eminem can rap quickly and knows how to pick two words that rhyme with each other, but I don't think his music's particularly interesting or meaningful. He was fun when he was Slim Shady, now he's just an emo who writes love songs to his daughter.

I don't know about J5. As a collective.

From the UK there's also Roots Manuva.

For nearly the past decade, Eminem has grappled with his legacy, releasing a string of chart-topping albums and singles that kept him on the tips of fans’ tongues but did nothing to affirm his status as one of the genre’s all-time greats. This late-career slump reached its nadir with December’s Revival, a 77-minute cringe compilation of lousy punchlines, antiquated beats and bloated pop-rap crossover bids. Revival debuted at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 but only with 1/3 the sales of its predecessor, The Marshall Mathers LP 2, and failed to produce a Top 10 single on the Hot 100. This commercial underperformance, coupled with the fact that virtually everybody with ears (rightfully) hated Revival, signaled that the bestselling rapper of all time may have finally reached the end of his undisputed reign.

mrswdk wrote:lol, Eminem? C'mon bro.

Where are Deltron, J5, ODB? There are way better rappers out there than Kendrick 'Totally Overhyped' Lamar.

Let's get some UK in there. Jehst is good. I want to say The Streets as well, although after his awesome first album he went off the boil pretty quickly.

mookiemcgee wrote:

mrswdk wrote:lol, Eminem? C'mon bro.

Where are Deltron, J5, ODB? There are way better rappers out there than Kendrick 'Totally Overhyped' Lamar.

Let's get some UK in there. Jehst is good. I want to say The Streets as well, although after his awesome first album he went off the boil pretty quickly.

Ok, Now I love ODB/Big baby Jesus ,but he is not one of the 10 most talented rappers

MyNameIsJack wrote:no particular order

-Big L
-MacDre
-Techn9ne
-SeanPrice/HeltahSkeltah/BCC
-Lauryn Hill
-Nas
-Andre3000/Bigboi aka Outkast
-Gangstarr
-Nate Dogg
-The LOX

Honorable mentions ; slaughterhouse, fabolous, Biggie, eminem, Tupac, a few others...

mrswdk wrote:Eminem's old stuff was good but he is no poet.

I nearly said Tribe Called Quest. The Roots are also good.

You should listen to a little more Sexion d'Assaut betsie, I might turn that frown upside down.

demonfork wrote:

MyNameIsJack wrote:no particular order

-Big L
-MacDre
-Techn9ne
-SeanPrice/HeltahSkeltah/BCC
-Lauryn Hill
-Nas
-Andre3000/Bigboi aka Outkast
-Gangstarr
-Nate Dogg
-The LOX

Honorable mentions ; slaughterhouse, fabolous, Biggie, eminem, Tupac, a few others...

I considered MacDre & he almost made my list. I love me some East Bay rap

Obviously I agree with Techn9ne & Nas.

Andre3000 is a contender.

The LOX, SeanPrice, Big L & Gangstarr are a dime a dozen.

As far as Nate Dogg & Lauryn Hill = Don't make me laugh