Conquer Club

Just seems odd, with all the interest in the kavanaugh soap opera you would think people would be interested in Trumps un speech.

The one where they laughed at him?

Yup, kinda points out the respect the U.S. has from the rest of the world.

Paul Craig Roberts points out

"The lies that Trump told yesterday about Iran and Venezuela are like the lies that Washington told about Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Pakistan, and Syria, lies that were used to justify military actions that have destroyed the lives and prospects of millions of peoples. Trump, like his predecessors, sees these crimes against humanity as good deeds because they advance Washington and Israeli interests."

With the states having no response for the new Russian weapons, it looks like people have found enough courage to laugh.

Thats a pretty big development.

Yeah, a lot of people on the left are reading those signs as aggressive as well. It seems democratically elected leaders are still not safe from our imperial gaze.

Neoteny wrote:Yeah, a lot of people on the left are reading those signs as aggressive as well. It seems democratically elected leaders are still not safe from our imperial gaze.

Obama - bombs dropped and cruise missiles fired: 23,213
Trump - bombs dropped and cruise missiles fired: 198

armati wrote:Just seems odd, with all the interest in the kavanaugh soap opera you would think people would be interested in Trumps un speech.

It's not that odd. The Kavanaugh soap opera will, unfortunately, have real consequences for how the U.S. is governed moving forward. Trump's speech will not.

armati wrote:
Paul Craig Roberts points out

"The lies that Trump told yesterday about Iran and Venezuela are like the lies that Washington told about Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Pakistan, and Syria, lies that were used to justify military actions that have destroyed the lives and prospects of millions of peoples. Trump, like his predecessors, sees these crimes against humanity as good deeds because they advance Washington and Israeli interests."

Other than the nonsense about trying to blame Israel for American foreign policy, I would agree with most of that.

Still, it's not really a "development" of any kind. It's just business-as-usual. Imperialist powers need to have enemies. If they weren't constantly at war with someone, their own people would realize how fundamentally useless the military-industrial complex is and demand its dismantling. In order to safeguard their existence, imperialists have to constantly develop and groom foreign bogeymen to frighten their own subjects and to go to war against. If you need an explanation of why, just read Orwell's 1984. If you've already read it, read it again. It's not just a novel, it's a primer on realpolitik.

Trump's demonizing of Iran is not much different than Bush's demonizing of Iraq a decade earlier, but lest you start to think that this is some kind of uniquely American problem, it isn't. Amerika is just the dominant imperialist power right now, so it's the one playing these games. Go back to earlier empires, and you'll see the British demonizing first the Zulus and then the Boers to invade there, you'll see the French demonizing the newly-freed Haitians to justify screwing over their nascent attempt at creating a new republic, you'll see the Dutch demonizing the Majapahit Empire and other native powers in southeast Asia to justify gobbling them up, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on.

Amerika's military-industrial complex is not something new. It's heir to a tradition of exploitation that stretches back through time past the German Junker class, the Japanese Samurai, the medieval knight, the Parthian cataphract, the Roman Legion, and so on down the line to Akkadian and Chaldean warlords.

Plunder is an easier way to make a living than growing a crop, so the rise of a warrior class is a feature of every civilization. Directly plundering one's own subjects, however, leads to rebellions and civil wars, so inevitably the warrior-class parasites look for foreign plunder. On doing so, however, they soon find a loophole to exploit: due to the tribal nature of the human psyche, as long as the tribe is at war with another tribe, the subjects will willingly submit to being plundered, in order to contribute the to Eternal War of Us Versus Them. Thus, as long as they can stay at war, they can have their cake and eat it too: bring home plunder from foreign lands, and plunder their willing victims at home, in the name of Making Babylon Great Again or whatever.

saxitoxin wrote:

Neoteny wrote:Yeah, a lot of people on the left are reading those signs as aggressive as well. It seems democratically elected leaders are still not safe from our imperial gaze.

Obama - bombs dropped and cruise missiles fired: 23,213
Trump - bombs dropped and cruise missiles fired: 198

Man, your bit is so much better when you just stick to the all-caps MAGA-ING and avoid the things like statistics that can be easily Googled. Whatever, your point is as moot as your numbers are wrong (I think Obama managed more than that in a year for multiple years, and Trump is more of the same). Feed them both to Madame la Guillotine.

by saxitoxin
"Trump - bombs dropped and cruise missiles fired: 198"

"According to statistics compiled by the Airwars watchdog group, there were nearly 50% more coalition air strikes in Iraq and Syria in 2017 compared with the previous year. Civilian deaths rose by 215%. The coalition, almost all US planes, dropped 20,000 bombs on Raqqa"

Thats just Raqqa, 198 seems a little low.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... wars-trump

Duk

Kavanaugh wont make 1 iota of dif either way in the governing of the U.S.
Trump is deep state, nothing has or will change because of Kavanaugh.

Trumps speech is telling the people what the rest of the world is going to do.
How they think of the U.S.
How they intend to deal with the U.S.
How the world deals with the U.S., is going to affect the U.S.
It tells you if you've followed world events, laughing at the president of the U.S.? = big deal.

For example, the EU,Russia,China,Iran are going to do business in other than the swift system.
The U.S. is threatening sanctions on anyone that deals with Iran, that is a big middle finger to the U.S. and their sanctions.
So much for the petrodollar.= big deal.


"the nonsense about trying to blame Israel for American foreign policy"...seems your unaware of the relationship and how it works.

In any case Trumps claim to fame is "make america great again"....he should listen to yoda, "wars make not one great".

Kavanaugh...meaningless,all show for the mob, Trumps speech, very informative.

Not that any of it matters,its just better entertainment than a reality show.

armati wrote:Just seems odd, with all the interest in the kavanaugh soap opera you would think people would be interested in Trumps un speech.

But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.