Conquer Club

This generation being born now… is the last free generation. You are born and either immediately or within say a year you are known globally. Your identity in one form or another –coming as a result of your idiotic parents plastering your name and photos all over Facebook or as a result of insurance applications or passport applications– is known to all major world powers. @ RT

Assange in last interview before blackout (VIDEO)

https://www.rt.com/news/438968-assange- ... -blackout/

Always good to hear from Russia Today. Kremlin controlled media is so trustworthy, after all.

Google already knows everything about us.

Privacy has become impossible, but privacy is only one component of freedom, and probably not the most important one.

What's more important -- preventing the world from finding out that you jerk off to The Autobiography of Eleanor Roosevelt, or making sure that jerking off to The Autobiography of Eleanor Roosevelt is legal? If that was my particular proclivity, and I was given a choice of the one or the other, I would definitely choose the latter.

I'm not saying I'm happy about our loss of privacy, but I think it's a done deal and there's not much we can do about it, whereas there are other aspects of freedom that we can still defend.

I'm not sure there was ever an idyllic age of privacy, tbh, Duk. Social networks have always existed, communications have always been listened in on, and governments have always collected information.

If anything, I'd say that people are more savvy nowadays about their rights to privacy than at any other time in recorded history, no?

if a person has no privacy they have no real sense of themselves. a persons self is found in privacy. it is also easy to frame a person or create a case against someone if you know everything about them or everything they ever did. you may not recollect something you did in the past but the computer does. now what happens if a law gets passed that makes the law retroactive? you are now a criminal for something that wasn't illegal when you did it. information is power. your not free unless your privacy is secure. the walls on a house are more than structure it's privacy.

Hmm... until a brain implant is created that reads personal thoughts? You will always be free.

Southern Whites supporting the underground railway in the Confederacy.
Dissidents under Soviet rule.
Subversives like Bonehoeffer living with the horrid Third Reich.
Republicans under Trump who will rebuild the party after his reign is over.

Freedom is within.

E.

Edit: Read George Orwell’s 1984. (Often published as Nineteen Eighty-four.) It may interest you.

warmonger1981 wrote:if a person has no privacy they have no real sense of themselves. a persons self is found in privacy. it is also easy to frame a person or create a case against someone if you know everything about them or everything they ever did. you may not recollect something you did in the past but the computer does. now what happens if a law gets passed that makes the law retroactive? you are now a criminal for something that wasn't illegal when you did it. information is power. your not free unless your privacy is secure. the walls on a house are more than structure it's privacy.

I'm not sure I totally agree with that- people's identities are often grounded in their sense of commonalities with the communities they belong to. The obvious one is immediate family, for example, but also things like friends, professional relationships, shared educational experience, political views, nationality, ethnicity... etc.

I understand your point, but I think you might have missed the fact that much of what we consider to be our own identities isn't private, but rather what we share with others.

elfish_lad wrote:Hmm... until a brain implant is created that reads personal thoughts? You will always be free.

Southern Whites supporting the underground railway in the Confederacy.
Dissidents under Soviet rule.
Subversives like Bonehoeffer living with the horrid Third Reich.
Republicans under Trump who will rebuild the party after his reign is over.

Freedom is within.

E.

Edit: Read George Orwell’s 1984. (Often published as Nineteen Eighty-four.) It may interest you.

Brain chips are coming soon.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.co ... le/371855/

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warmonger1981 wrote:

elfish_lad wrote:Hmm... until a brain implant is created that reads personal thoughts? You will always be free.

Southern Whites supporting the underground railway in the Confederacy.
Dissidents under Soviet rule.
Subversives like Bonehoeffer living with the horrid Third Reich.
Republicans under Trump who will rebuild the party after his reign is over.

Freedom is within.

E.

Edit: Read George Orwell’s 1984. (Often published as Nineteen Eighty-four.) It may interest you.

Brain chips are coming soon.
http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatla ... le/371855/

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Well. Then we’re fucked.

warmonger1981

You hit the nail on the head.

Most people dont see that, nor do they understand it.

Like thinking its a good thing to shut down alex jones because he likes aliens or whatever reason it was, I forget now.

People just dont understand the ramifications of whats happening to people.

People are lousy detectives, very few connect dots.

And whats funny, anyone that can is considered a "conspiracy theorists" lol

People are already being "chipped", in time, we will all get one at birth.....oooooo scary conspiracy. lol

....." if a law gets passed that makes the law retroactive? "......100% correct.

The nazis went back 10 years to find descent, how tuff will it be using the net?

The loss of all freedoms is happening now.

So how does freedom equate to privacy? And how did you learn to predict the future?? Can I get some lotto numbers man?

it's because I'm a genius. it's like chess. Some people can't plan past the first move. many others will just keep saying " it won't happen because of so and so". if it's thought of it will become reality. that's the nice thing and evil thing about humans. our imaginations to then create. no other animals can do this.


freedom comes from your ability to have private thought. if you can't think in private your being restricted. flat earth is a perfect example. If you thought the Earth was round you would have been killed. The future can be predicted with algorithms. It can be the Hegalian dialect on steroids. And I can't help you with Lotto.

I understand alot of people here dont respect PCR but I thought I would post it anyway.

'My Generation is the last one to have known privacy and to have lived out most of our lives in freedom.

I remember when driving licenses did not have photos and most certainly not fingerprints. A driving license was issued on proof of birth date alone.

Prior to the appearance of automobiles IDs did not exist in democratic nations. You were who you said you were.'
(for anyone that doesnt know...thats all true)

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/0 ... id-you-go/

warmonger1981 wrote:it's because I'm a genius. it's like chess. Some people can't plan past the first move. many others will just keep saying " it won't happen because of so and so". if it's thought of it will become reality. that's the nice thing and evil thing about humans. our imaginations to then create. no other animals can do this.


freedom comes from your ability to have private thought. if you can't think in private your being restricted. flat earth is a perfect example. If you thought the Earth was round you would have been killed. The future can be predicted with algorithms. It can be the Hegalian dialect on steroids. And I can't help you with Lotto.

A Hegelian dialectical process requires both an established thesis and an antithesis to produce a synthesis, itself a new thesis, no? I'm not an expert on the method, or Hegel, but that was my understanding.