Conquer Club

Denmark is the only western democracy to mark out official “ghettos” – the word is virtually identical in Danish to English, with similar connotations – where residents are subject to different rules from the rest of the country, simply by dint of their address. The first “ghetto lists” were drawn up nearly a decade ago. But in recent months the government has pushed through policies that demand far more extreme intervention in their residents’ lives.

thegreekdog wrote:Based on the wikipedia page, it appears that the Danish government is attempting to forcibly move residents out and build, I suspect, nicer buildings and houses. That seems like a weird solution.

Urban renewal is a process whereby privately owned properties within a designated renewal area are purchased or taken by eminent domain by a municipal redevelopment authority, razed and then reconveyed to selected developers who devote them to other uses. Until 1970, the displaced owners and tenants received only the constitutionally-mandated "just compensation" specified in the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. This measure of compensation covered only the fair market value of the taken property, and omitted compensation for a variety of incidental losses like, for example, moving expenses, loss of favorable financing and notably, business losses, such as loss of business goodwill. In the 1970s the federal government and state governments enacted the Uniform Relocation Assistance Act which provides for limited compensation of some of these losses. However the Act denies the displaced land owners the right to sue to enforce its provisions, so it is deemed an act of legislative grace rather than a constitutional right. Historically, urban redevelopment has been controversial because of such practices as taking private property by eminent domain for "public use" and then turning it over to redevelopers free of charge or for less than the acquisition cost (known as "land write-down").

Jacobs’s work on urban economies, which she expanded in the ’80s, tends to reflect skepticism about the federal government’s role in the economy, rather than about the economy itself. At the time, many of her urbanist peers—including Marshall Berman and David Harvey—were beginning to publish works critical of how capitalism reshapes cities. But Jacobs was a firm believer in the free market: She liked the idea that market interactions build trust and create social bonds that extend beyond their temporary utility. Rather than finding fault with big business, she criticized the government’s role in urban affairs, which she felt had morphed from well-meaning paternalism to a wild experiment in social engineering, involving the physical eradication of neighborhoods that took generations to build.

This pro-business, antigovernment position was new for Jacobs. In many of her early essays, she grappled with the contradiction between her support for the basic ideas behind neighborhood revitalization and public housing, and her outrage over the devastating results. The editors of Vital Little Plans—Samuel Zipp and Nathan Storring—show how her dislike for federal governments (in both Canada and the United States) was shaped by the historical moment of the post–Vietnam War era. She saw similarities between the overreach of federal urban renewal and the hubris of military intervention in Southeast Asia—both of them driven by an emerging class of “systems analysts,” and both colossal failures that destroyed lives.

Symmetry wrote:Sometimes when I talk to you guys, I feel like I'm in an alternate universe. One where establishing a ghetto, and forcing the people who live there to follow different laws is given a pass because it's somehow just "urban renewal" or "gentrification".

I get that the people who want this are pretty right wing, but that doesn't mean you have to excuse them. It's insane that a country in the 21st century is re-establishing ghettos under force of law.

thegreekdog wrote:

Symmetry wrote:Sometimes when I talk to you guys, I feel like I'm in an alternate universe. One where establishing a ghetto, and forcing the people who live there to follow different laws is given a pass because it's somehow just "urban renewal" or "gentrification".

I get that the people who want this are pretty right wing, but that doesn't mean you have to excuse them. It's insane that a country in the 21st century is re-establishing ghettos under force of law.

It's like you can't even read... there were two responses that were more than one word, neither of which excused Denmark.

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Symmetry wrote:Sometimes when I talk to you guys, I feel like I'm in an alternate universe. One where establishing a ghetto, and forcing the people who live there to follow different laws is given a pass because it's somehow just "urban renewal" or "gentrification".

I get that the people who want this are pretty right wing, but that doesn't mean you have to excuse them. It's insane that a country in the 21st century is re-establishing ghettos under force of law.

It's like you can't even read... there were two responses that were more than one word, neither of which excused Denmark.

Oh please, can we not do your whole "You're illiterate" shtick? It got boring for me years ago. Try it on one of the newer posters.

It's a thread about ghettos in Denmark. Deal with it, TGD.

thegreekdog wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Symmetry wrote:Sometimes when I talk to you guys, I feel like I'm in an alternate universe. One where establishing a ghetto, and forcing the people who live there to follow different laws is given a pass because it's somehow just "urban renewal" or "gentrification".

I get that the people who want this are pretty right wing, but that doesn't mean you have to excuse them. It's insane that a country in the 21st century is re-establishing ghettos under force of law.

It's like you can't even read... there were two responses that were more than one word, neither of which excused Denmark.

Oh please, can we not do your whole "You're illiterate" shtick? It got boring for me years ago. Try it on one of the newer posters.

It's a thread about ghettos in Denmark. Deal with it, TGD.

Seriously... can you read? Or did you already have your response typed up in Word and just copy/pasted it into this thread without having read the responses? There were two responses neither of which excused anything you self-obsessed weirdo.

thegreekdog wrote:Based on the wikipedia page, it appears that the Danish government is attempting to forcibly move residents out and build, I suspect, nicer buildings and houses. That seems like a weird solution.

HitRed wrote:Lubbock Texas bulldozed 10 X 16 blocks (that's a lot of houses) on the East side. No one was forced to live there but it got worse and worse. Wow, is it NICE now! All the people that were forced to sell got compensated by, new apartments, payments OR a new house. I think all sides won.

About the article

I think the vast majority will in a generation or two will be more Danish. Ankle bracelets aren't needed. In another threat I mention that I lost my historical Irish identity (kepted my Catholic one) and don't miss it.

Symmetry wrote:WTF Denmark? Scandinavian countries are supposed to be better than this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto_(Denmark)

Stigmatised, marginalised: life inside Denmark’s official ghettos

Denmark is the only western democracy to mark out official “ghettos” – the word is virtually identical in Danish to English, with similar connotations – where residents are subject to different rules from the rest of the country, simply by dint of their address. The first “ghetto lists” were drawn up nearly a decade ago. But in recent months the government has pushed through policies that demand far more extreme intervention in their residents’ lives.

GabonX wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:Based on the wikipedia page, it appears that the Danish government is attempting to forcibly move residents out and build, I suspect, nicer buildings and houses. That seems like a weird solution.

How's that working for ya in Philly?

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Symmetry wrote:Sometimes when I talk to you guys, I feel like I'm in an alternate universe. One where establishing a ghetto, and forcing the people who live there to follow different laws is given a pass because it's somehow just "urban renewal" or "gentrification".

I get that the people who want this are pretty right wing, but that doesn't mean you have to excuse them. It's insane that a country in the 21st century is re-establishing ghettos under force of law.

It's like you can't even read... there were two responses that were more than one word, neither of which excused Denmark.

Oh please, can we not do your whole "You're illiterate" shtick? It got boring for me years ago. Try it on one of the newer posters.

It's a thread about ghettos in Denmark. Deal with it, TGD.

Seriously... can you read? Or did you already have your response typed up in Word and just copy/pasted it into this thread without having read the responses? There were two responses neither of which excused anything you self-obsessed weirdo.

Oh dear, here we go, another TGD rant about how nobody really gets him, and people can't read.

Just give it a rest, mate. If it helps, then I'll happily tell you that I never learned to read. Put it in your sig, Hell, have a banner made if it'll get you out of your rut.

This post was typed entirely by my team of helper monkeys.

Please help us TGD he forces us to read and write for him. Send help. Don't let him know that we added this.

thegreekdog wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Symmetry wrote:Sometimes when I talk to you guys, I feel like I'm in an alternate universe. One where establishing a ghetto, and forcing the people who live there to follow different laws is given a pass because it's somehow just "urban renewal" or "gentrification".

I get that the people who want this are pretty right wing, but that doesn't mean you have to excuse them. It's insane that a country in the 21st century is re-establishing ghettos under force of law.

It's like you can't even read... there were two responses that were more than one word, neither of which excused Denmark.

Oh please, can we not do your whole "You're illiterate" shtick? It got boring for me years ago. Try it on one of the newer posters.

It's a thread about ghettos in Denmark. Deal with it, TGD.

Seriously... can you read? Or did you already have your response typed up in Word and just copy/pasted it into this thread without having read the responses? There were two responses neither of which excused anything you self-obsessed weirdo.

Oh dear, here we go, another TGD rant about how nobody really gets him, and people can't read.

Just give it a rest, mate. If it helps, then I'll happily tell you that I never learned to read. Put it in your sig, Hell, have a banner made if it'll get you out of your rut.

This post was typed entirely by my team of helper monkeys.

Please help us TGD he forces us to read and write for him. Send help. Don't let him know that we added this.

thegreekdog wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:No, but I have an additional thought. Of the countless times you've done this type of thing, the broader community has not supported you. Given how little support you've receiver over the past few years, perhaps it is time for you to do some self-reflection rather than finger-pointing. If everyone is against you, maybe it's not them; maybe it's you. Give it some thought.

Symmetry wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:No, but I have an additional thought. Of the countless times you've done this type of thing, the broader community has not supported you. Given how little support you've receiver over the past few years, perhaps it is time for you to do some self-reflection rather than finger-pointing. If everyone is against you, maybe it's not them; maybe it's you. Give it some thought.

Aye, I'm familiar with this routine too. "You're in a minority, you don't matter". It's your go-to response when you run out of steam on the "Why can't people read?" thing.

Please don't fallback on your third option, because that's the really annoying one.

riskllama wrote:that death/cake thread about sym was funny as shit...