“Let’s talk about what America is going to be like that’s different,” Toobin said of life in the U.S. after Kennedy is replaced. “You are going to see 20 states pass laws banning abortion outright. Just banning abortion. Because they know that there are now going to be five votes on the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade.”
There was “just no doubt,” Toobin said, that abortion would be illegal in a significant part of the United States within a year and a half.
“Roe v. Wade is doomed,” he added. “It is gone because Donald Trump won the election and because he’s going to have the chance to appoint two Supreme Court justices.”
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:28 am
by jonesthecurl
There should be an option for "probably true, but WTF?"
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:13 am
by thegreekdog
I don't think abortion will be illegal in 20 states. I don't think the US Supreme Court will overturn Roe v. Wade after Kennedy retires and a new justice is sworn in (assuming that happens). There may be a state law that places more restrictions on abortions (e.g. limiting abortions during certain phases of a pregnancy) and that state law gets upheld at the Supreme Court. There is dicta in Roe v. Wade on fetus viability that the court could use to restrict abortions I suppose. I would be shocked if any of that happens in 18 months.
Ultimately, I think the alarmist attitude on abortion (and pick any other issue) from most Democrats is an effort to get people to vote Democrat in the mid-term elections. However, the confirmation should occur before the mid-term elections because the Democrats in the senate can't do anything to stop the confirmation (which is probably the subject of another thread especially given the article Sym linked to doesn't fully explain the issue).
What do you think Sym?
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:36 am
by Symmetry
thegreekdog wrote:I don't think abortion will be illegal in 20 states. I don't think the US Supreme Court will overturn Roe v. Wade after Kennedy retires and a new justice is sworn in (assuming that happens). There may be a state law that places more restrictions on abortions (e.g. limiting abortions during certain phases of a pregnancy) and that state law gets upheld at the Supreme Court. There is dicta in Roe v. Wade on fetus viability that the court could use to restrict abortions I suppose. I would be shocked if any of that happens in 18 months.
Ultimately, I think the alarmist attitude on abortion (and pick any other issue) from most Democrats is an effort to get people to vote Democrat in the mid-term elections. However, the confirmation should occur before the mid-term elections because the Democrats in the senate can't do anything to stop the confirmation (which is probably the subject of another thread especially given the article Sym linked to doesn't fully explain the issue).
What do you think Sym?
Honestly TGD, sometimes I think that you'd yell at a smoke detector going off in the middle of a fire for being "alarmist" and trying to get people to support firemen.
I think we'll see a gradual erosion of access to abortion, rather than a direct repeal of Roe. States will introduce more regulations and laws regarding abortion, and the Supreme Court will lower their standards and allow them to the point where abortion is technically legal, but basically impractical or impossible to access within those states.
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:49 am
by Bernie Sanders
Hurray for 19th Century morality!
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:48 pm
by thegreekdog
Symmetry wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:I don't think abortion will be illegal in 20 states. I don't think the US Supreme Court will overturn Roe v. Wade after Kennedy retires and a new justice is sworn in (assuming that happens). There may be a state law that places more restrictions on abortions (e.g. limiting abortions during certain phases of a pregnancy) and that state law gets upheld at the Supreme Court. There is dicta in Roe v. Wade on fetus viability that the court could use to restrict abortions I suppose. I would be shocked if any of that happens in 18 months.
Ultimately, I think the alarmist attitude on abortion (and pick any other issue) from most Democrats is an effort to get people to vote Democrat in the mid-term elections. However, the confirmation should occur before the mid-term elections because the Democrats in the senate can't do anything to stop the confirmation (which is probably the subject of another thread especially given the article Sym linked to doesn't fully explain the issue).
What do you think Sym?
Honestly TGD, sometimes I think that you'd yell at a smoke detector going off in the middle of a fire for being "alarmist" and trying to get people to support firemen.
I think we'll see a gradual erosion of access to abortion, rather than a direct repeal of Roe. States will introduce more regulations and laws regarding abortion, and the Supreme Court will lower their standards and allow them to the point where abortion is technically legal, but basically impractical or impossible to access within those states.
While your first sentence is creative and I smiled, I think the "in the middle of a fire" part is inaccurate. I don't think there's a fire. I think liberals are trying to make it into a fire so they can get the firemen and firewomen to come.
My alarmism point comes from the premise that I don't think anything will happen to abortion; or, more accurately, I don't think what the liberal pundits are saying will come to pass. There is no fire, thus there needs to be no alarm. I am more inclined to see your viewpoint coming to pass (i.e. greater restrictions by conservative-leaning states that are upheld (or ignored) at the Supreme Court level). From my perspective, that means very little. Women will still be permitted to have fetuses sucked from their bodies and skull-crushed; just not as easily in some states and perhaps without the government paying for it. So really the Democrats should be saying "It's not going to be as easy or cheap to kill fetuses!" rather than "We're not going to be able to kill fetuses any more!"
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:07 pm
by saxitoxin
I don't get the big deal. That still means you have 30 states you can get an abortion in.
Sure, getting it flushed out might take a little longer than pulling through the drive-thru at Jack 'n the Box but it's not like it would be a huge deal. It will still be less difficult for someone from Alabama to get an abortion than to get decent sushi.
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:00 am
by The ram
I'm certain a speech by symmetry would change the minds of all anti abortionists immediately!
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:32 am
by Bernie Sanders
Look at all the boys who think they know what's best for women.
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:17 am
by 2dimes
You're right men should never practice anything gynecology related. We don't have lady parts and therefore can never understand what's best for women, men especially have no place in abortion clinics.
Just pump your semen in there and either roll over or go back to doing chores.
Leave it to women to do whatever is best for other women.
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:32 pm
by thegreekdog
Bernie Sanders wrote:Look at all the boys who think they know what's best for women.
Yes, yes, destroying viable fetuses is about women's rights. We get it. Handmaid's Tale! Other liberal buzz phrases!
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:40 pm
by Symmetry
thegreekdog wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:Look at all the boys who think they know what's best for women.
Yes, yes, destroying viable fetuses is about women's rights. We get it. Handmaid's Tale! Other liberal buzz phrases!
You should read the Handmaid's Tale, it's probably not what you'd expect. At least, not entirely. You'd probably like the ending.
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:47 am
by The ram
2dimes wrote:You're right men should never practice anything gynecology related. We don't have lady parts and therefore can never understand what's best for women, men especially have no place in abortion clinics.
Just pump your semen in there and either roll over or go back to doing chores.
Leave it to women to do whatever is best for other women.
You sound like a right cuckold. Women want a strong man that takes control and a damn good fucking. I'll bet your wife/gf/blow up doll works late regularly and jumps straight in the shower when she gets home.
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:53 am
by Symmetry
The ram wrote:You sound like a right cuckold. Women want a strong man that takes control and a damn good fucking. I'll bet your wife/gf/blow up doll works late regularly and jumps straight in the shower when she gets home.
You're a strange little man, Tr.
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:08 am
by The ram
Symmetry wrote:
The ram wrote:You sound like a right cuckold. Women want a strong man that takes control and a damn good fucking. I'll bet your wife/gf/blow up doll works late regularly and jumps straight in the shower when she gets home.
You're a strange little man, Tr.
I'm quite a big man. An alpha male, something extremely alien to yourself. So I understand I come across as strange to something like you.
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:21 am
by 2dimes
Like between six and eight hundred pounds?
How many abortions can you do in an hour?
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:22 am
by Symmetry
The ram wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
The ram wrote:You sound like a right cuckold. Women want a strong man that takes control and a damn good fucking. I'll bet your wife/gf/blow up doll works late regularly and jumps straight in the shower when she gets home.
You're a strange little man, Tr.
I'm quite a big man. An alpha male, something extremely alien to yourself. So I understand I come across as strange to something like you.
To be honest, Tr, I doubted that you'd have anything important to say about women's rights, and I'd be surprised if you had anything relevant to say about the topic at all.
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:55 am
by The ram
Symmetry wrote:
The ram wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
The ram wrote:You sound like a right cuckold. Women want a strong man that takes control and a damn good fucking. I'll bet your wife/gf/blow up doll works late regularly and jumps straight in the shower when she gets home.
You're a strange little man, Tr.
I'm quite a big man. An alpha male, something extremely alien to yourself. So I understand I come across as strange to something like you.
To be honest, Tr, I doubted that you'd have anything important to say about women's rights, and I'd be surprised if you had anything relevant to say about the topic at all.
I haven't read this thread from above my first post in here. I agree with abortion until the point where it can cause any pain to a living being.
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:01 am
by Symmetry
The ram wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
The ram wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
The ram wrote:You sound like a right cuckold. Women want a strong man that takes control and a damn good fucking. I'll bet your wife/gf/blow up doll works late regularly and jumps straight in the shower when she gets home.
You're a strange little man, Tr.
I'm quite a big man. An alpha male, something extremely alien to yourself. So I understand I come across as strange to something like you.
To be honest, Tr, I doubted that you'd have anything important to say about women's rights, and I'd be surprised if you had anything relevant to say about the topic at all.
I haven't read this thread from above my first post in here. I agree with abortion until the point where it can cause any pain to a living being.
Does that include the pregnant woman?
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:14 am
by Bernie Sanders
The ram wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
The ram wrote:You sound like a right cuckold. Women want a strong man that takes control and a damn good fucking. I'll bet your wife/gf/blow up doll works late regularly and jumps straight in the shower when she gets home.
You're a strange little man, Tr.
I'm quite a big man. An alpha male, something extremely alien to yourself. So I understand I come across as strange to something like you.
Cool story bro...you are one awesome specimen of a man....
Al I need is a rubber band and a paperclip.......well you know the rest of the story
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:38 am
by thegreekdog
Symmetry wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:Look at all the boys who think they know what's best for women.
Yes, yes, destroying viable fetuses is about women's rights. We get it. Handmaid's Tale! Other liberal buzz phrases!
You should read the Handmaid's Tale, it's probably not what you'd expect. At least, not entirely. You'd probably like the ending.
My wife and I started watching the show. I enjoy dystopias (Black Mirror, for example). My wife finds it incredibly disturbing to the point where she's debating not watching it. I did not read the book.
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:42 am
by karel
it should be banned,if you cant afford to have a kid keep your damn legs closed,tax payer money should never be used for that shit
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:32 pm
by Bernie Sanders
karel wrote:it should be banned,if you cant afford to have a kid keep your damn legs closed,tax payer money should never be used for that shit
Karel, I asked to pay for your mum's abortion......but she was lonely and decided to keep you.
Yea! Karel is back!
Please keep us informed on all those alternative facts. You are amazing!
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:00 am
by Symmetry
thegreekdog wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:Look at all the boys who think they know what's best for women.
Yes, yes, destroying viable fetuses is about women's rights. We get it. Handmaid's Tale! Other liberal buzz phrases!
You should read the Handmaid's Tale, it's probably not what you'd expect. At least, not entirely. You'd probably like the ending.
My wife and I started watching the show. I enjoy dystopias (Black Mirror, for example). My wife finds it incredibly disturbing to the point where she's debating not watching it. I did not read the book.
Kudos on liking Black Mirror. Charlie Brooker is one of my favourite writers.
I get your wife's opinion on the Handmaid's Tale series though- it's a tough watch, and I'd be very surprised if they went with the ending that's in the book. It's definitely worth a read though. Margaret Atwood is a writer who really should have won the Nobel a while ago.
Re: Abortion illegal in the US?
Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:30 am
by The ram
Symmetry wrote:
The ram wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
The ram wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
The ram wrote:You sound like a right cuckold. Women want a strong man that takes control and a damn good fucking. I'll bet your wife/gf/blow up doll works late regularly and jumps straight in the shower when she gets home.
You're a strange little man, Tr.
I'm quite a big man. An alpha male, something extremely alien to yourself. So I understand I come across as strange to something like you.
To be honest, Tr, I doubted that you'd have anything important to say about women's rights, and I'd be surprised if you had anything relevant to say about the topic at all.
I haven't read this thread from above my first post in here. I agree with abortion until the point where it can cause any pain to a living being.
Does that include the pregnant woman?
That's their choice, not mine. If I was telling people how to live their lives, homosexuality would be illegal. I have to tolerate it, maybe you should tolerate others decisions in life.
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:53 am